Will we have a 2020 NFL Season?

[XPack]

Where are the stories about being not having treatment available to them? It didn't really happen.

I guess you didn't read the stories of retirement homes forced to take back in elderly who have tested positive?

Or the cases of first responders (nurses and like) who have tested positive still having to come in to work to help others?

Or that people who have tested positive asked to stay at home unless they are in immediate life threatening situation? Families and friends I personally know have to suffer having a positive tested member living with them just because they have been advised away from hospitals?

Measures like this are what kept the system from being overburdened. Peoples who otherwise have had access to doctors visits and hospitals have to make do without them.

And did we actually learn from NY. Like when NY was flattening the curve, other stats were calling this overrated only to suffer later on.

Perhaps you should research on how long it took to gain herd immunity for the disease where we currently have them.

 

[Dantés]

I guess you didn't read the stories of retirement homes forced to take back in elderly who have tested positive?

Or the cases of first responders (nurses and like) who have tested positive still having to come in to work to help others?

Or that people who have tested positive asked to stay at home unless they are in immediate life threatening situation? Families and friends I personally know have to suffer having a positive tested member living with them just because they have been advised away from hospitals?

Measures like this are what kept the system from being overburdened. Peoples who otherwise have had access to doctors visits and hospitals have to make do without them.

And did we actually learn from NY. Like when NY was flattening the curve, other stats were calling this overrated only to suffer later on.

Perhaps you should research on how long it took to gain herd immunity for the disease where we currently have them.

I shouldn't have verged into discussing Covid, generally, on the forum. It's my bad. So I'm not going to keep going back and forth on these issues in this thread.

I hope the NFL doesn't do what would amount to an overreaction, in my opinion, as regards shutting down play.

Cheers.

 

[red4tribe]

Pushing the schedule back by a week is probably the best option. It just leaves little room for error.

A more likely outcome is that the NFL says "play with your healthy players", similar to injuries, and live with it. Now if it ever got so bad that a team couldn't field 22 healthy players, that's another story. With the PS and other measures to protect healthy players, I doubt it would ever come to this.

Yeah, that sounds about right to me. If we're talking about a Miami Marlins situation where half the team gets it, then the NFL would probably be forced to consider other options. Hopefully it doesn't get to that.

Another thing I've wondered is what would the NFL do if a star player like Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, etc. got it. Football is different from baseball in that taking away a star QB can turn a 13-3 team into a 7-9. No MLB team is going to drop from 100 wins to 75 wins because of one player, no matter how big a star. This would be particularly bad if it happened during the playoffs, meaning the NFL will probably be forced to have a bubble in January-February.

 

[gopkrs]

Pushing the schedule back by a week is probably the best option. It just leaves little room for error.

A more likely outcome is that the NFL says "play with your healthy players", similar to injuries, and live with it. Now if it ever got so bad that a team couldn't field 22 healthy players, that's another story. With the PS and other measures to protect healthy players, I doubt it would ever come to this.

Hopefully they will get it under control by figuring out what happened. At least they have the by week to help out. And they did say that maybe they would play a tues or wed game. Hell, that is probably what tv wants. But to be honest, as much as I like pro football; I don't want it on every night. Nor all year long.

 

[gopkrs]

Yeah, so if you're working and generally being exposed, you should stay away from vulnerable folks as a rule (elderly, comorbidity). But otherwise community spread among populations that are at a negligible risk is a net positive. That's how we develop herd immunity.

So after all this time and money spent on going for a vaccine; we are now going for herd immunity?

 

[Poppa San]

I shouldn't have verged into discussing Covid, generally, on the forum. It's my bad. So I'm not going to keep going back and forth on these issues in this thread.

So after all this time and money spent on going for a vaccine; we are now going for herd immunity?

He said he wasn't going to verge off the topic. LET IT GO! [/moderating]

 

[PikeBadger]

I don't know if it would reflect well on either side to get into a back and forth about verbal gaffes.

Aw cmon man!

 

[PikeBadger]

He said he wasn't going to verge off the topic. LET IT GO! [/moderating]

Aw cmon man!!!

 

[Poppa San]

Aw cmon man!!!

I expected a "Frozen" meme response.

 

[PikeBadger]

I expected a "Frozen" meme response.

Lol, I’ve never taken the time to become a meme expert. I just type away with my upper Midwestern clip

 

[PackerDNA]

Titans - Steelers has been postponed. currently the plan is to play the game either Monday or Tuesday.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Hopefully they will get it under control by figuring out what happened. At least they have the by week to help out. And they did say that maybe they would play a tues or wed game. Hell, that is probably what tv wants. But to be honest, as much as I like pro football; I don't want it on every night. Nor all year long.

I think you're right. If the NFL had to, they'd go to Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, or Saturday games. If that happened my wife would kill me....... well, not really but you know what I mean.

Actually, the NFL has been doing a pretty good job with the protocols in place and the frequent testing. That alone should keep the virus minimized. Too bad we didn't do this as a country back in March........

 

[Heyjoe4]

Yeah, that sounds about right to me. If we're talking about a Miami Marlins situation where half the team gets it, then the NFL would probably be forced to consider other options. Hopefully it doesn't get to that.

Another thing I've wondered is what would the NFL do if a star player like Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, etc. got it. Football is different from baseball in that taking away a star QB can turn a 13-3 team into a 7-9. No MLB team is going to drop from 100 wins to 75 wins because of one player, no matter how big a star. This would be particularly bad if it happened during the playoffs, meaning the NFL will probably be forced to have a bubble in January-February.

Right now, if an elite player goes down, I guess it's treated as an injury. Good point on having the playoffs in a bubble. If they can find an area with 3 stadiums within a reasonable distance, they could pull it off. Fan base isn't an issue as fans can't go to

I’m causing this thread to diverge into the topic of Covid generally. Sticking to how it relates to the NFL, I hope the league doesn’t overreact. That’s all.

Dantes you had a good rebuttal to my claim that a 90% infection rate would get us to herd immunity. You pointed out heightened t-cell response as one example of how the body fights an infection, and I read somewhere that people who are vaccinated every year for flu may also have some protection. Anyway I appreciate that you pointed those things out.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I think you're right. If the NFL had to, they'd go to Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, or Saturday games. If that happened my wife would kill me....... well, not really but you know what I mean.

Actually, the NFL has been doing a pretty good job with the protocols in place and the frequent testing. That alone should keep the virus minimized. Too bad we didn't do this as a country back in March........

I read this, and I freely admit this is not the appropriate response, but all I think about is how fantasy football waivers are going to work if there are games on Wednesday?

 

[PikeBadger]

I think you're right. If the NFL had to, they'd go to Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, or Saturday games. If that happened my wife would kill me....... well, not really but you know what I mean.

Actually, the NFL has been doing a pretty good job with the protocols in place and the frequent testing. That alone should keep the virus minimized. Too bad we didn't do this as a country back in March........

Virtually impossible with 328M people who only know liberty and have a nasty rebellious streak as a whole.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Virtually impossible with 328M people who only know liberty and have a nasty rebellious streak as a whole.

Yeah you're right Pike. As a free nation, we don't like being told what to do. I'm just sorry that something as simple as wearing a mask became a political issue. It's a self preservation issue, and yeah, if you're infected, you're less likely to spread it with a mask on, and there's some patriotism and common decency in that.

Sometimes the freedom and liberty we enjoy gets in the way of common sense. Wuhan got it under control early by forcibly removing people from their homes and quarantining them. That wouldn't fly here, it's basically forced internment. So what we're finding out is that there is a price for liberty, but we should already know that.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Virtually impossible with 328M people who only know liberty and have a nasty rebellious streak as a whole.

That strikes me as a massive cop-out to not trying anything; "We have to accept that sports players will get sick because of the Revolutionary War".

 

[Poppa San]

That strikes me as a massive cop-out to not trying anything; "We have to accept that sports players will get sick because of the Revolutionary War".

You aren't taking into account the federation of 50 states. Wisconsin's lockdown got overturned in the courts. Probably wasn't the only one. Our current mask mandate is being challenged in the courts also. Rules matter, even during pandemics.

 

[HardRightEdge]

You aren't taking into account the federation of 50 states. Wisconsin's lockdown got overturned in the courts. Probably wasn't the only one. Our current mask mandate is being challenged in the courts also. Rules matter, even during pandemics.

There's a spike in northern and northeastern Wisconsin, is there not? Whistling pas the graveyard, so to speak?

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news...virus-green-bay-fox-valley-wausau/3578202001/

 

[PikeBadger]

That strikes me as a massive cop-out to not trying anything; "We have to accept that sports players will get sick because of the Revolutionary War".

I travelled to Wisconsin this summer (July) and found it interesting during my travel the difference in how people in different states approach the mediation efforts. I found Arkansas and Missouri to be similar. Illinois to be very severe, almost desolate. Wisconsin was very loose, more so than Arkansas or Missouri. Thinking about that some, I was not surprised.
My major take-away overall for the last 6 months is that people in higher density population areas are much tighter on the “lockdown” measures than the more rural areas are in Arkansas and I can only presume this holds true in most states.

 

[Poppa San]

There's a spike in northern and northeastern Wisconsin, is there not? Whistling pas the graveyard, so to speak?

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news...virus-green-bay-fox-valley-wausau/3578202001/

Overturned in May. relatively low all summer climbing from 200's to 800's. Mask mandate enforced August 1 with cases in the 800's. Now we are in the 2200 area. Couldn't be from being not locked down. Only real change this past month was in person schooling almost everywhere including the colleges. State death rate has been single digit 7-day average the whole while.

 

[bigbubbatd]

Overturned in May. relatively low all summer climbing from 200's to 800's. Mask mandate enforced August 1 with cases in the 800's. Now we are in the 2200 area. Couldn't be from being not locked down. Only real change this past month was in person schooling almost everywhere including the colleges. State death rate has been single digit 7-day average the whole while.

There are quite a few areas not doing in person schooling in the state. Most of all the larger areas are either all virtual or at most a hybrid. The mask mandate is not being enforced and in some places it isn't really followed all. The number of deaths will be interesting to watch over the next two weeks. Usually the death rate jumps a week or two after a spike in total cases which makes sense because people don't die right away. Yesterday wisconsin had its highest death total since the start which is still relatively low at 27.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Overturned in May. relatively low all summer climbing from 200's to 800's. Mask mandate enforced August 1 with cases in the 800's. Now we are in the 2200 area. Couldn't be from being not locked down. Only real change this past month was in person schooling almost everywhere including the colleges. State death rate has been single digit 7-day average the whole while.

There's another factor evident in a lot of places--Labor Day traveling and gatherings. Spikes started showing a week after, like clockwork. A million people traveling by air didn't help.

When people gather, whether in schools, at backyard barbeques, on airplanes you're looking for trouble.

Refusal to consider the counterfactual is belligerence. How much worse would it be if nobody wore masks? Being blind to the Swedish early experiment--do nothing--on the way to "herd mentality" is hard to understand.

Well, not really. I get it. The Boston Broccoli Party is in our cultural DNA. The oppressive British (no offense Billy!) denied our American freedom to not eat our vegetables. Laws against drunk driving are equally oppressive. Who should we blame for that?

 

[Heyjoe4]

Overturned in May. relatively low all summer climbing from 200's to 800's. Mask mandate enforced August 1 with cases in the 800's. Now we are in the 2200 area. Couldn't be from being not locked down. Only real change this past month was in person schooling almost everywhere including the colleges. State death rate has been single digit 7-day average the whole while.

Agreed. And add in the Labor Day parties and the infections go up. And never underestimate the stupidity of people. Wearing a mask to possibly save your life and the lives of others doesn't seem too onerous to me.

 

[rmontro]

My major take-away overall for the last 6 months is that people in higher density population areas are much tighter on the “lockdown” measures than the more rural areas are in Arkansas and I can only presume this holds true in most states.

Well, that makes sense.