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[HardRightEdge]

Well, that makes sense.

Really? The clear dividing line on lockdown measures, masks, distancing is strictly on political divisions. GOP governors and legislatures are lax, Democratic governors and legislatures are strict. Take Florida for example--big cities and wide open for business. The GOP is hitching a ride on the Trump wagon and why shouldn't they? He's been so right about everything!

 

[gopkrs]

I took a plane trip before Covid. I was sick of sitting next or close to people coughing and sneezing. Some not even covering their mouths. People can be real slobs. And so I wore a mask. What is so difficult about it? Do people like getting sick? Even if I am not going to die; I don't like getting sick. Oh yeah, I did not get sick that time.

 

[rmontro]

Really? The clear dividing line on lockdown measures, masks, distancing is strictly on political divisions.

All I'm saying is that it makes more sense for dense cities to be more strict than open, rural areas.

 

[Passepartout]

Yeah as really R Montro you have a point there! That is a very good point!

 

[Poppa San]

And so I wore a mask.

Masks are to protect others from you, not you from others. Except in the tiniest bit as in better than nothing they are not offering you protection.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Masks are to protect others from you, not you from others. Except in the tiniest bit as in better than nothing they are not offering you protection.

Masks have a psychological affect. They are a constant reminder to maintain distance.

The affect is quite powerful. We are conditioned to react vicerally to people wearing masks as potential threat. We are wired to subconsciously and emotionally to guage intent from facial expressions.

 

[Poppa San]

Masks have a psychological affect. They are a constant reminder to maintain distance.

Even more important

An August 2020 survey conducted by ****** wellness brand Royal revealed that 88 percent of adult women in the U.S. find men who wear a face mask in public during the COVID-19 pandemic sexier than those who do not. Perhaps more notable – this sentiment holds true, even for women who are currently in a relationship with a non-mask wearer.

so for some there is hope yet

The power of the mask turned those who were considered unattractive without masks on saw a huge climb in attractiveness when masked photos were shown. Researchers said the rating increased by 42% due to masks and results were similar for both men and women.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Even more important

so for some there is hope yet

Royal sells sex products. Looks like talking their own book.

Showing pictures of mask wearers is quite a bit different than when face to face, or eye to eye as it were.

 

[XPack]

Masks are to protect others from you, not you from others. Except in the tiniest bit as in better than nothing they are not offering you protection.

I think it works both ways. Having a mask significantly reduces your chance to get infected via aerosol than not having one. It's a % game after all!

 

[HardRightEdge]

All I'm saying is that it makes more sense for dense cities to be more strict than open, rural areas.

It depends on what you mean by rural. Maybe out in the middle of Nebraska or the desert of West Texas or up in the UP, far from anywhere that's anywhere providing there's no meat packing plant or such in the vicinity. Or in the rural areas of states with strict regulations.

Consider interior Florida and the panhandle, quite rural away from the few cities of any size once you get 15 miles in from the coast. This is a state with among the most lax Covid regulations in the country. They've accumulated positive tests as high as 6% of the population in out of the way counties. I believe there is only one county in all of Florida tracking below 2%.

Close to home for me, Erie County, NY, home to Buffalo, in a state with among the most strict regulations, is tracking at 1.3%. Monroe County, NY, home to Rochester with one of the highest poverty rates in the country, is tracking 0.8%. Some very rural upstate NY counties are tracking in the 0.2 - 0.3% range.

Compare to Suwanee County, FL in the north central region, 60-80 miles from Jacksonville on the east or Tallahassee to the west. If you lived there your shopping trip would be to the booming metropolis of Plant City, population 40,000, in the adjacent county. 6.2% of that population has been tested positive to date about triple that of New York, New York. In fact, largely rural north central Florida and southern Georgia (another state with lax restrictions) are tracking among the highest postive tests as a percent of population in the country.

So, to repeat, it depends on what you mean by rural. The percentage of the US population that could go about footloose and fancy free at low risk is very tiny. Population density and thereby the amount of human interactions would have to be quite low.

Generally speaking, the whole rural vs. city was an early assumption with nothing to support it. In some quarters it was politically of racially motivated, often a combo of the two. Now, with numbers, it is exposed as claptrap unless you are really out in the middle of nowhere.

 

[PikeBadger]

Even more important

so for some there is hope yet

Chicks in burkas are HOT!!!!!!

 

[HardRightEdge]

Even more important

so for some there is hope yet

Oh, wait. You violated forum rules. You cited the source for the first quote but no citing or link for the second. Is a time out in order?

 

[Poppa San]

I think it works both ways. Having a mask significantly reduces your chance to get infected via aerosol than not having one. It's a % game after all!

It really boils down to the type of mask.

Without enforced standards, the effectiveness of face coverings will always be variable. This variability has been the cause for much of the debate over the use of face coverings. Unfortunately, it has taken many months for western nations, in particular, to understand that the reason we must wear face coverings in public is not to protect individuals, but rather to make a small contribution to protecting everyone. So it is perhaps ironic that the most effective PPE masks designed for protecting individuals could be one of the least effective for protecting all of us.

from Snopes.

Royal sells sex products.

GQ more to your liking?

In fact, a study from earlier this year, published in Scientific Reports, found that people judged incomplete faces in photographs to be more attractive than entirely visible faces. Lead researcher Diana Orghian told me in an email that “occluded faces are perceived as more attractive. We believe people fill in the missing parts with positive expectations or details.”

Temple University?

With the masks on, attractiveness ratings of the faces improved in statistically significant amounts for both women and men. The study, titled "Beauty and the Mask," will be published in the journal Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery - Global Open.

 

[PikeBadger]

It depends on what you mean by rural. Maybe out in the middle of Nebraska or the desert of West Texas or up in the UP, far from anywhere that's anywhere providing there's no meat packing plant or such in the vicinity. Or in the rural areas of states with strict regulations.

Consider interior Florida and the panhandle, quite rural away from the few cities of any size once you get 15 miles in from the coast. This is a state with among the most lax Covid regulations in the country. They've accumulated positive tests as high as 6% of the population in out of the way counties. I believe there is only one county in all of Florida tracking below 2%.

Close to home for me, Erie County, NY, home to Buffalo, in a state with among the most strict regulations, is tracking at 1.3%. Monroe County, NY, home to Rochester with one of the highest poverty rates in the country, is tracking 0.8%. Some very rural upstate NY counties are tracking in the 0.2 - 0.3% range.

Compare to Suwanee County, FL in the north central region, 60-80 miles from Jacksonville on the east or Tallahassee to the west. If you lived there your shopping trip would be to the booming metropolis of Plant City, population 40,000, in the adjacent county. 6.2% of that population has been tested positive to date about triple that of New York, New York. In fact, largely rural north central Florida and southern Georgia (another state with lax restrictions) are tracking among the highest postive test as a percent of population in the country.

So, to repeat, it depends on what you mean by rural. The percentage of the US population that could go about footloose and fancy free at low risk is very tiny. Population density and thereby the amount of human interactions would have to be quite low.

Not a surprising opinion.

here’s ONE of mine.

People in urban areas are much more freaked out by this virus and much noisier about it than non-urbanites.<opinion based on 6 month observations>

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

This just in from the Whitehouse, they have renamed the disease to "KARMA-45"

 

[HardRightEdge]

Not a surprising opinion.

here’s ONE of mine.

People in urban areas are much more freaked out by this virus and much noisier about it than non-urbanites.<opinion based on 6 month observations>

Dude, I've lived in a rural county with a population of 5,000 people without a single stop light, 10 miles to the nearest gas station, 20 miles from an old Walmart, 30 miles from Home Depot. I currently live in an ex-urban area a stones throw from solidly rural, 30 miles outside Buffalo, big time Trump country in the last election. It's still 10 miles to Walmart or Home Depot. You might find that surprising.

No. It's about regulations, plain and simple, and that comes down to the folks who vote for the folks running the show. And when the folks running the show say, "don't worry, be happy," you have an unvirtuous circle of confirmation bias.

 

[Poppa San]

Oh, wait. You violated forum rules. You cited the source for the first quote but no citing or link for the second. Is a time out in order?

Only if you aren't paying attention. Both quotes were cited. Here I'll underline them for you.

Even more important
so for some there is hope yet

 

[PikeBadger]

Dude, I've lived in a rural county with a population of 5,000 people without a single stop light, 10 miles to the nearest gas station, 20 miles from an old Walmart, 30 miles from Home Depot. I currently live in an ex-urban area a stones throw from solidly rural, 30 miles outside Buffalo, big time Trump country in the last election. It's still 10 miles to Walmart or Home Depot. You might find that surprising.

No. It's about regulations, plain and simple, and that comes down to the folks who vote for the folks running the show. And when the folks running the show say, "don't worry, be happy," you have an unvirtuous circle of confirmation bias.

My stated opinion has nothing to do with regulations. Your’s does? I’m a non-urbanite who travels to an urban area everyday. You seem to be projecting your opinion and data analysis onto others. You seemed a little freaked out by COVID imo.

 

[gopkrs]

It really boils down to the type of mask.

I don't know why masks would only work one way. I think it is common sense that it would help protect you. Yeah, we would be protected better if we wore a space suit. I don't think we have been given real good direction or information on this. Experts just seem to say something because they don't want to say they don't know. So I am going with common sense.

 

[HardRightEdge]

My stated opinion has nothing to do with regulations.

Obviously.

Your’s does?

Obviously. All evidence points to it being a key determinant of risk no matter where you live for a very high percentage of the population. If you live in a shack in the desert you can probably do whatever you want. It's damn near axiomatic.

I’m a non-urbanite who travels to an urban area everyday.

I've also lived for several years within the Chicago city limits. I grew up in exurban/rural in Brookfield, WI when Capital Drive was still a two-lane blacktop. I'm well acquainted with urban, suburban, exurban and rural living. Anyway, tell your story to the people of Sawanee County, FL, many whom don't even travel to an urban area.

You can do your own data analysis while also zooming right in on your own county right here:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map

Large swaths of rural America, especially in regulation-lite states, have high rates of incidence. It's just a fact. The high level view of the full US map tells you that.

You seemed a little freaked out by COVID imo.

Hardly. My interest is in seeing people take proper precautions no matter where they live. Those who refuse are belligerent which I find frustrating. Writing this stuff is venting, the chances of actually changing anybody's mind is quite slim.

My frustation does not stem from some "every life is precious" nonsesne. That's obviously never been true anywhere at any time. It's because the more sensibly people act the more it will be contained and the less the social and economic toll will be incurred on the way to a vaccine.

My day to day activities really haven't changed. I'm not much concerned about my personal well being. I question what folks in denial really think. Went to dinner last night. Had a terrific steak sandwich. The waitress was wearing a mask; people were seated every other booth. Low risk. I golf with strangers, maskless, a couple of times per week without concern or incident. Distance is respected. Some guys want to shake hands, I decline, no problem. My regular trips to Walmart and Home Depot give me no concern. Everybody is wearing a mask and I keep distance where practical.

Every argument that precaustions are an overreaction have had to be walked back. The counterfactual is that if nothing had been regulated and no one had changed any behavior and everybody went to work and school as normal, the deaths would pile into the millions. That would have been a lot worse for the business of America which is business.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Obviously.

Obviously. All evidence points to it being a key determinant of risk no matter where you live for a very high percentage of the population. If you live in a shack in the desert you can probably do whatever you want. It's damn near axiomatic.

I've also lived in the Chicago city limits. Anyway, tell that to the people of Sawanee County, FL, many whom don't even travel to an urban area.

You can do your own data analysis while also zooming right in on your own county right here:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map

Large swaths of rural America, especially in regulation-lite states, have high rates of incidence. It's just a fact.

Hardly. My interest is in seeing people take proper precautions no matter where they live. Those who refuse are belligerent which I find frustrating. Writing this stuff is venting. the chances of actually changing anybody's mind is quite slim.

My frustation does not stem from some "every life is precious" nonsesne. That's obviously never been true anywhere at any time. It's because the more sensibly people act the more it will be contained and the less the social and economic toll will be incurred on the way to a vaccine.

My day to day activities really haven't changed. I'm not much concerned about my personal well being. I question what folks in denial really think. Went to dinner last night. Had a terrific steak sandwich. The waitress was wearing a mask; people were seated every other booth. Low risk. I golf with strangers, maskless, a couple of times per week without concern or incident. Distance is respected. Some guys want to shake hands, I decline, no problem. My regular trips to Walmart and Home Depot give me no concern. Everybody is wearing a mask and I keep distance where practical.

Every argument that precaustions are an overreaction have had to be walked back. The counterfactual is that if nothing had been regulated and no one had changed any behavior and everybody went to work and school as normal, the deaths would pile into the millions. That would have been much for the business of America which is business.

Good reply. It's not that hard to avoid this disease. Wear a mask, keep your distance, wash your hands, yada, yada, yada. And if more people would do this the infections would go down. Alas Wisconsin seems to be leading the nation in the rate of new infections. And it's not even cold yet. I got a flu shot and am simply keeping my head down, sometimes literally!

 

[HardRightEdge]

Only if you aren't paying attention. Both quotes were cited. Here I'll underline them for you.

You better double check. I clicked on your "Beauty and Mask" link. It's a dead link. I clicked on your "Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery - Global Open" link and it just takes me to some generalized plastic surgery home page.

 

[XPack]

You better double check. I clicked on your "Beauty and Mask" link. It's a dead link. I clicked on your "Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery - Global Open" link and it just takes me to some generalized plastic surgery home page.

Oh no. Fake news by liberal failstream media?

 

[HardRightEdge]

This just in from the Whitehouse, they have renamed the disease to "KARMA-45"

If he makes a speedy recovery he will tell you it was no worse than the flu.

Othewise, a fairy tale will to be told about some a secret injection by some nefarious element seeking to destroy our way of life. Probably Nancy Pelosi.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If he makes a speedy recovery he will tell you it was no worse than the flu.

If he does not there will be some fairy tale to be told, a secret injection by some nefarious element seeking to destroy our way of life. Probably Nancy Pelosi.

Thinking the same. No matter what, we are going to hear "Doctors told me this was THE biggest, worst case they have seen and I fought it off amazingly, they couldn't believe it, they have never quite seen someone do what I did."

No matter how I feel, I do believe he should get THE best care that $750 can buy.