Will we have a 2020 NFL Season?

[Pokerbrat2000]

Well this had to be expected. Will be interesting to see how this plays out and if the NFL can repeat what MLB did with a start, a scare and then a successful season.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...ility-multiple-players-test-positive-covid-19

 

[Heyjoe4]

Well this had to be expected. Will be interesting to see how this plays out and if the NFL can repeat what MLB did with a start, a scare and then a successful season.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...ility-multiple-players-test-positive-covid-19

Thanks Poker. I actually thought this would come up sooner. Unfortunately, and unlike MLB, NFL teams can't really have make up games if one is cancelled (unless they use the bye week?????). So the teams that lose players to Covid and/or quarantine have to treat it as an injury while keeping those affected in isolation.

I hope this doesn't ruin the season, but let's face it, the numbers tell a different story about the spread of the virus in the US.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yup, unlike baseball, there won't be double headers and probably no makeup games. Bye weeks probably won't help, since the odds of 2 teams that had a game cancelled due to COVID having the same bye week are pretty slim.

https://fantasyfootballcalculator.com/nfl-bye-weeks

The Titans, Vikings and their opponents (Steelers, Texans) have been put on notice that their games on Sunday could potentially be rescheduled. I can see if there is only a couple of games lost, they could potentially play them at the end of the season, if the results would impact the playoffs. They would then push the playoffs back a week. Football is the one sport that makeup games are not going to be easy to get in.

Jason La Canfora
@JasonLaCanfora
The NFL has alerted the Vikings and Titans and their opponents for Week 4 that their games may be rescheduled.
10:50 AM · Sep 29, 2020

 

[thequick12]

Make up games would be tough to manage but the bye week does offer some opportunity at such a scenario...

I don't see that happening though, how many players would a team have to lose to have a game cancelled?

There's seasons where teams have 15 guys on injured reserve. I get that's not 15 in one week but still the point is football teams lose players to injury. So would that be the number 15 in one week

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't see that happening though, how many players would a team have to lose to have a game cancelled?

I guess it depends on how confident they are with testing and if they feel they isolated potentially infected players/coaches long enough. It sounds like the LB coach for the Titans knew he was sick, yet went to practice anyway and then tested positive later.

 

[gopkrs]

I hope they can get a handle on what was different with these teams. Why some of them ended up with Covid. Where did they go or was it brought into the team somehow.

 

[gopkrs]

I guess it depends on how confident they are with testing and if they feel they isolated potentially infected players/coaches long enough. It sounds like the LB coach for the Titans knew he was sick, yet went to practice anyway and then tested positive later.

What a stud! (sarcasm)

 

[PikeBadger]

What a stud! (sarcasm)

and dumb *** (no sarcasm)

 

[red4tribe]

I do wonder how they will handle this. As others have said, bye weeks could offer one option. The problem is, missing one game in a 16 game season can be huge. Not the same as missing one out of 60 as in baseball. Would they consider scheduling a mid-week game at some point? Or push the season back a week if this happens to too many teams?

 

[Dantés]

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I don't care.

Asymptomatic positive cases should be ignored and it should be business as usual.

Symptomatic cases should individually quarantine until they're better, and their teammates should press on.

This isn't all that dangerous.

 

[XPack]

Asymptomatic positive cases should be ignored and it should be business as usual.

Surely that helps spread? You may be asymptomatic, but people you come into contact with maybe now.

 

[Dantés]

Surely that helps spread? You may be asymptomatic, but people you come into contact with maybe now.

Yeah, so if you're working and generally being exposed, you should stay away from vulnerable folks as a rule (elderly, comorbidity). But otherwise community spread among populations that are at a negligible risk is a net positive. That's how we develop herd immunity.

 

[red4tribe]

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I don't care.

Asymptomatic positive cases should be ignored and it should be business as usual.

Symptomatic cases should individually quarantine until they're better, and their teammates should press on.

This isn't all that dangerous.

That would make sense if asymptomatic spreaders only spread to others who also would be asymptomatic. But because there is such a wide range of reactions to the virus, they might give it to someone whose body reacts much more severely. Or it could reach a spouse, trainer, other team employee, etc. who is particularly vulnerable.

 

[Dantés]

That would make sense if asymptomatic spreaders only spread to others who also would be asymptomatic. But because there is such a wide range of reactions to the virus, they might give it to someone whose body reacts much more severely. Or it could reach a spouse, trainer, other team employee, etc. who is particularly vulnerable.

If you're particularly vulnerable, you need to stay out of the way. If you're not, you need to go on about your business.

The most asinine thing about how this has been handled generally is that we've treated all of society as though they're at significant risk rather than just the people who are actually at significant risk.

I have a son who, before having tonsils and adenoids removed, was extremely vulnerable to influenza. He was admitted to the hospital twice with it. So when it was flu season, we protected him in particular. We did not ask that everything else shut down the moment someone got the flu. Because he was uniquely vulnerable.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That's how we develop herd immunity.

Well at least you didn't say “"And you'll develop, you'll develop herd—like a herd mentality. It's going to be—it's going to be herd-developed—and that's going to happen. That will all happen," like a certain person in charge of a certain country.

 

[Dantés]

Well at least you didn't say “"And you'll develop, you'll develop herd—like a herd mentality. It's going to be—it's going to be herd-developed—and that's going to happen. That will all happen," like a certain person in charge of a certain country.

I don't know if it would reflect well on either side to get into a back and forth about verbal gaffes.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't know if it would reflect well on either side to get into a back and forth about verbal gaffes.

You are right, one persons verbal gaffes appear to be intentional and kill people, the others, just a part of speaking out. Glad to see that you got your medical degree in the last 2 months.

 

[Dantés]

You are right, one persons verbal gaffes appear to be intentional and kill people, the others, just a part of speaking out. Glad to see that you got your medical degree in the last 2 months.

I gave my opinion on the subject relevant to the thread topic. You don't have to like it or agree. You don't even have to read it.

But thanks for getting hostile towards my political leanings. That's sure to help things!

 

[Heyjoe4]

I do wonder how they will handle this. As others have said, bye weeks could offer one option. The problem is, missing one game in a 16 game season can be huge. Not the same as missing one out of 60 as in baseball. Would they consider scheduling a mid-week game at some point? Or push the season back a week if this happens to too many teams?

Pushing the schedule back by a week is probably the best option. It just leaves little room for error.

A more likely outcome is that the NFL says "play with your healthy players", similar to injuries, and live with it. Now if it ever got so bad that a team couldn't field 22 healthy players, that's another story. With the PS and other measures to protect healthy players, I doubt it would ever come to this.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Well at least you didn't say “"And you'll develop, you'll develop herd—like a herd mentality. It's going to be—it's going to be herd-developed—and that's going to happen. That will all happen," like a certain person in charge of a certain country.

The same guy who suggested we inject bleach for a "cleaning"?

 

[XPack]

Yeah, so if you're working and generally being exposed, you should stay away from vulnerable folks as a rule (elderly, comorbidity). But otherwise community spread among populations that are at a negligible risk is a net positive. That's how we develop herd immunity.

This is not the way to get herd immunity. If we let this unchecked, we'd only end of flooding the hospitals and overwhelming the support infrastructure. Flattening the curve is as important as developing immunity and that's precisely what we are trying to achieve by these measures. The means to getting a herd immunity should controlled and managed properly. Just letting go and hoping for herd immunity doesn't sound smart to me.

And the concept of elderly should avoid being in public looks to be easy shifting of blame. It's not like they all can quarantine and forego their lives. Up to everyone to pitch in and fight this.

 

[XPack]

The same guy who suggested we inject bleach for a "cleaning"?

Has it's advantages. When we sh*t, the toilet will clean itself.

 

[Dantés]

This is not the way to get herd immunity. If we let this unchecked, we'd only end of flooding the hospitals and overwhelming the support infrastructure. Flattening the curve is as important as developing immunity and that's precisely what we are trying to achieve by these measures. The means to getting a herd immunity should controlled and managed properly. Just letting go and hoping for herd immunity doesn't sound smart to me.

And the concept of elderly should avoid being in public looks to be easy shifting of blame. It's not like they all can quarantine and forego their lives. Up to everyone to pitch in and fight this.

It's the exact way you achieve herd immunity.

We successfully flattened the curve during the initial wave. We've come nowhere near overwhelming the system in months. Even in New York in the worst days of the epidemic, most extra facilities erected to deal with overflow were virtually unused. Where are the stories about being not having treatment available to them? It didn't really happen.

If people getting on with life began to flood the system, you could obviously change tacks. I don't see that happening anywhere.

I agree everyone should do their part. Hence why individuals with symptoms should stay out of the way.

 

[Heyjoe4]

This is not the way to get herd immunity. If we let this unchecked, we'd only end of flooding the hospitals and overwhelming the support infrastructure. Flattening the curve is as important as developing immunity and that's precisely what we are trying to achieve by these measures. The means to getting a herd immunity should controlled and managed properly. Just letting go and hoping for herd immunity doesn't sound smart to me.

And the concept of elderly should avoid being in public looks to be easy shifting of blame. It's not like they all can quarantine and forego their lives. Up to everyone to pitch in and fight this.

This is not the way to get herd immunity. If we let this unchecked, we'd only end of flooding the hospitals and overwhelming the support infrastructure. Flattening the curve is as important as developing immunity and that's precisely what we are trying to achieve by these measures. The means to getting a herd immunity should controlled and managed properly. Just letting go and hoping for herd immunity doesn't sound smart to me.

And the concept of elderly should avoid being in public looks to be easy shifting of blame. It's not like they all can quarantine and forego their lives. Up to everyone to pitch in and fight this.

I'm not sure people understand "herd immunity". In the absence of a vaccine, it means about 90% of the population actually get Covid-19. Deaths would be in the millions, maybe tens of millions. No thanks.

 

[Dantés]

I’m causing this thread to diverge into the topic of Covid generally. Sticking to how it relates to the NFL, I hope the league doesn’t overreact. That’s all.