Wide Receiver Options

[milani]

As it stands I’m not even sure there’d be much point in trading for a WR at this point. A week or two ago I would’ve been all for it, but now…? We certainly need one but at the same time it’s not like we’re “just a WR away” or whatever. We don’t look like a playoff team at the moment and I’m not sure any of the WRs who would realistically be available to us would be enough to make us into one. I’ve been critical of us being far too protective of draft picks in the past but at the moment it feels like unless you can get a great deal for a long-term player in place you might as well hang on to the picks since it feels like we won’t be making much noise this season anyways.

Definitely. One receiver might help but would also take a number of weeks to get on the same page with the QB. If we were a threat to go deep in the playoffs you look for that piece. As we saw today we are deficient in too many places. Now maybe an OL could really help. We cannot make 4th and 1 if we cannot block. And right now we cannot block without drawing a holding penalty.

 

[AKCheese]

I’ve said it already if Aaron wasn’t our QB we’d be in sell mode. Lazard would be traded, Dillon be a target to some…Gary for big return…a lot of guys potentially moving on.

We won’t and we will try to see if one or two additions can push us to a better place…and I’ll never write us off because Aaron has proven me wrong so many times…but man this feels terrible.

Proven you wrong by losing playoff games we should win? LOL

 

[Snoops]

First thing they need to do is get rid of bahktiari such a effing waste and that hurts the cap for signing anyone

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I’ve said it already if Aaron wasn’t our QB we’d be in sell mode. Lazard would be traded, Dillon be a target to some…Gary for big return…a lot of guys potentially moving on.

Why should the Packers be interesting in trading Gary??? While Dillon has struggled this season it wouldn't be smart to move on from him with Jones cap hit skyrocketing next season.

Now maybe an OL could really help. We cannot make 4th and 1 if we cannot block.

That play was solely on Watkins who didn't block his man.

First thing they need to do is get rid of bahktiari such a effing waste and that hurts the cap for signing anyone

For the umpteenth time, the Packers don't gain any cap space by moving on from Bakhtiari at this point.

 

[milani]

Why should the Packers be interesting in trading Gary??? While Dillon has struggled this season it wouldn't be smart to move on from him with Jones cap hit skyrocketing next season.



That play was solely on Watkins who didn't block his man.



For the umpteenth time, the Packers don't gain any cap space by moving on from Bakhtiari at this point.

Not just on Watkins. We should be able to hand off and get the one yard. If our front 5 could sustain blocks we run the ball. And get it.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Not just on Watkins. We should be able to hand off and get the one yard. If our front 5 could sustain blocks we run the ball. And get it.

If Watkins blocks his man as he was supposed to that's an easy first down.

 

[tynimiller]

Why should the Packers be interesting in trading Gary??? While Dillon has struggled this season it wouldn't be smart to move on from him with Jones cap hit skyrocketing next season.



That play was solely on Watkins who didn't block his man.



For the umpteenth time, the Packers don't gain any cap space by moving on from Bakhtiari at this point.

I am not saying they should be…you missed the entire thought I was expressing. IF we didn’t have Rodgers at QB this team would be a seller, guys like Gary and others would be getting big trade offers and many would be moved possibly like Carolina is doing.

I personally wouldn’t do a Gary deal even then - I’d build the future off him in that hypothetical world

 

[Mondio]

That play was solely on Watkins who didn't block his man.

I put some on Doubs too, who all TC I heard about his wonderful ability to run routes and get open and most importantly make the contested catches. But thus far, and I know he's a rookie, he has been anything but sure handed. Lots of ball movement when it hits his hands and it's resulted in numerous drops, an INT or too and missed plays. Yeah it wasn't a give me type catch, but receivers across this league make those catches every single game with regularity. Ours don't.

 

[Krabs]

WR is a glaring need at this point. I used to not be a Lazard guy, but he is clearly the best on the team. I've turned a corner on him, but saying he is the best also shows how much they are lacking at talent. He's also proven to be a bit injury prone.

Any move the Packers make isn't going to make them instantly better. There will be a bit of a learning curve. In saying that, if they want any shot of turning this offense around this season a trade has to be made. Just knowing the history of this team and how they manage draft picks, it's hard for me to believe that they actually make a deal. I'm reading that Claypool isn't going anywhere. The others are Cooks with the Texans and Jeudy from the Broncos. If I put my GM hat on, I'm thinking these guys are not major upgrades and cannot give up a lot of equity to bring them on board. I don't see them as the answer to turn the offense around.

Settle in folks. I don't see the Packers making a move. If this offense is to get better it will have to be with good old fashioned work and practice.

 

[PikeBadger]

First thing they need to do is get rid of bahktiari such a effing waste and that hurts the cap for signing anyone

Brilliance. Sheer brilliance.

 

[tynimiller]

Brilliance. Sheer brilliance.

Right...I believe doing so at this moment would still cost us money

 

[milani]

If Watkins blocks his man as he was supposed to that's an easy first down.

But that is why that choice of plays is not high percentage. Watkins is not Big Dog. He never was known for his blocking. So try using a FB and run behind the guys that get paid to block instead of the guy that runs fly patterns.

 

[Magooch]

Some names that have been suggested by "experts" (or whoever...) as potential options:

Chase Claypool
DJ Moore
Elijah Moore
Nelson Agholor
Kendrick Bourne
Jerry Jeudy
Brandin Cooks
Denzel Mims
Kenny Golladay

(Of course OBJ as a free agent too)

Any of those seem particularly feasible and/or 'move the needle' much for you?

 

[Mondio]

But that is why that choice of plays is not high percentage. Watkins is not Big Dog. He never was known for his blocking. So try using a FB and run behind the guys that get paid to block instead of the guy that runs fly patterns.

I have no problem with the play call, those are high percentage passes. The biggest problem was Watkins saw something, and Rodgers probably did too, but they haven't worked together enough to make it work. Watkins called an audible and Rodgers ran the play. It still could have worked had Doubs caught the ball.
More time together and that's probably a TD or huge play to Watkins.

 

[MadCat]

Lazard was seen leaving yesterday’s game with his arm in a sling due to a shoulder injury, so it’s likely we may be minus another receiver in our upcoming game against Buffalo.

 

[milani]

Some names that have been suggested by "experts" (or whoever...) as potential options:

Chase Claypool
DJ Moore
Elijah Moore
Nelson Agholor
Kendrick Bourne
Jerry Jeudy
Brandin Cooks
Denzel Mims
Kenny Golladay

(Of course OBJ as a free agent too)

Any of those seem particularly feasible and/or 'move the needle' much for you?

With Lazard hurt and Cobb out for a while and Watson still AWOL we are up a creek. Now Ted Thompson would do nothing but say next man up. With Gute if he holds true to form he WILL do something. Not sure what.

 

[gopkrs]

I have no problem with the play call, those are high percentage passes. The biggest problem was Watkins saw something, and Rodgers probably did too, but they haven't worked together enough to make it work. Watkins called an audible and Rodgers ran the play. It still could have worked had Doubs caught the ball.
More time together and that's probably a TD or huge play to Watkins.

After watching the replay; Watkins saw something, but it seems pretty obvious Rodgers did not see anything. Because he could have just flipped the ball to the sideline and watched Watkins run with it. Rodgers is not throwing well and he is not seeing the field. His trust ometer has his arm sling in only that direction.

 

[Mondio]

After watching the replay; Watkins saw something, but it seems pretty obvious Rodgers did not see anything. Because he could have just flipped the ball to the sideline and watched Watkins run with it. Rodgers is not throwing well and he is not seeing the field. His trust ometer has his arm sling in only that direction.

Sure he didn’t

What you saw was the product of 2 guys that have played very little football together.

 

[gopkrs]

What I saw was Rodgers having already decided what he was going to do and did not see a pretty simple thing in the same vicinity and was probably a TD. Tunnel vision. He has not had any time all year and is probably a little shell shocked. But Sunday he had time and he is not throwing really catchable balls much of the time.

 

[OldSchool101]

Wow we are depleted at WR!

Now Lazard may miss Week 8
Then Cobb is on IR

Watson may be out?

Then We’ve got Sammy coming off IR last week and not full speed yet.

This could be ugly

 

[Schultz]

What I saw was Rodgers having already decided what he was going to do and did not see a pretty simple thing in the same vicinity and was probably a TD. Tunnel vision. He has not had any time all year and is probably a little shell shocked. But Sunday he had time and he is not throwing really catchable balls much of the time.

Don't tell Mondio that.

 

[milani]

Wow we are depleted at WR!

Now Lazard may miss Week 8
Then Cobb is on IR

Watson may be out?

Then We’ve got Sammy coming off IR last week and not full speed yet.

This could be ugly

Really ugly. Probably see a bunch of 3 TE sets I imagine. That says run the ball. And the Bills will be right there.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I am not saying they should be…you missed the entire thought I was expressing. IF we didn’t have Rodgers at QB this team would be a seller, guys like Gary and others would be getting big trade offers and many would be moved possibly like Carolina is doing.

I personally wouldn’t do a Gary deal even then - I’d build the future off him in that hypothetical world

I understand the Packers would be sellers without Rodgers but even in that case there would be no way they should trade Gary. It would make sense to move some other players though.

I put some on Doubs too, who all TC I heard about his wonderful ability to run routes and get open and most importantly make the contested catches. But thus far, and I know he's a rookie, he has been anything but sure handed. Lots of ball movement when it hits his hands and it's resulted in numerous drops, an INT or too and missed plays. Yeah it wasn't a give me type catch, but receivers across this league make those catches every single game with regularity. Ours don't.

While I agree that Doubs has struggled at times it would have been an easy catch for a first down if Watkins just did his job.

But that is why that choice of plays is not high percentage. Watkins is not Big Dog. He never was known for his blocking. So try using a FB and run behind the guys that get paid to block instead of the guy that runs fly patterns.

Watkins could have just stood in the way of the defender for that to be an easy catch for Doubs.

After watching the replay; Watkins saw something, but it seems pretty obvious Rodgers did not see anything. Because he could have just flipped the ball to the sideline and watched Watkins run with it. Rodgers is not throwing well and he is not seeing the field. His trust ometer has his arm sling in only that direction.

What I saw was Rodgers having already decided what he was going to do and did not see a pretty simple thing in the same vicinity and was probably a TD. Tunnel vision. He has not had any time all year and is probably a little shell shocked. But Sunday he had time and he is not throwing really catchable balls much of the time.

Rodgers got rid of the ball before Watkins moved past his defender on that play. There's no reason to blame for the quarterback for a receiver freelancing on it instead of doing his job based on the play call.

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[Mondio]

What I saw was Rodgers having already decided what he was going to do and did not see a pretty simple thing in the same vicinity and was probably a TD. Tunnel vision. He has not had any time all year and is probably a little shell shocked. But Sunday he had time and he is not throwing really catchable balls much of the time.

This is why he can never win with you guys. We needed 1 yard, the perfect play to get a new set of downs was called. If he runs the play and it doesn't work, he should have done something else. For the past 4 weeks all i've heard on here is he needs to quit changing plays, playing hero ball and run what MLF is calling. How they need to get the ball out quick to negate the rush etc.

Well? what did this play do? Pretty much everything everyone has been asking for happened on that play. Everyone did what was called except a WR who has hardly any snaps going all the way back to training camp and the preseason because he's been injured and just came back from a stint on IR decided to call an audible and didn't block his guy who broke up a still catchable ball and we turned it over.

Now maybe you're right, maybe Rodgers didn't see anything, but you know what? He still wasn't wrong. Although the guy seems to be able to recall even the most minute of details from plays long since forgotten by everyone else from 10 years ago so i don't think too much gets by him. But that's probably because of my Rodgers lover glasses and not even real life. Last year he had tunnel vision for Adams and this year it's from our stand out Romeo Doubs, or something?

I happen to think it's a perfect example of what he said last week, whatever keep it simple means to everyone, but it was figure out how to execute your job better. When you can't get first downs and move chains you can't run more plays, when you can't run more plays the offense won't work. When you're not working together you can't just go ad lib when you're not running the regular stuff correctly in the first place. you end up with these guys doing one thing and others doing the other.

The first down was right there. Rodgers and Sammy have no real time together and everyone can blame Rodgers and his trust issues or something. But let's say he see's it. So he holds that ball even for that half tick and sammy doesn't run free, now what? Because they haven't worked together long it should be no surprise to anyone that dont' have that level of communication yet, but sammy doesn't run free and the play is kaput. It ends up an ugly looking play and you guys win again because you can still ***** about Rodgers.

 

[Mondio]

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that still illustrates it even more perfectly. That ball is on it's way and the only reason Sammy's defender isn't playing Sammy anymore is because the ball is already in the air to Doubs for any easy new set of downs if Sammy does his job. There's a good chance Sammy is not running free when his defender is actually playing him and not the ball in the air.