Wide Receiver Options

[Schultz]

Ok ok. I see.
But If that happens (we trade into the 6th) I’ll wear it just to feel better.

You still get the point if he is drafted. As of now no chance to get the bonus pts. for the correct round.

 

[Spanky]

I think high quality depth in the draft runs about 10 deep for the WR's. I'm a little concerned, however, at who will still be around at 53 and 59.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

So, I'm not saying he's going to be a bust but is anyone else concerned about Treylon Burks? The guy cannot any routes, is about as raw as it gets in the passing game, and has weight control issues. I'm not sure I can recall many good receivers that came into the league with weight control issues and managed to sort things out after being paid millions.

 

[tynimiller]

So, I'm not saying he's going to be a bust but is anyone else concerned about Treylon Burks? The guy cannot any routes, is about as raw as it gets in the passing game, and has weight control issues. I'm not sure I can recall many good receivers that came into the league with weight control issues and managed to sort things out after being paid millions.

His route abilities are superior to London IMO, neither get open with their route trees one is a YAC beast that when you manufacture touches by play design he is a beast...the other you literally can just do a drop back and toss a jump ball and he will come down with it....

 

[OldSchool101]

I think high quality depth in the draft runs about 10 deep for the WR's. I'm a little concerned, however, at who will still be around at 53 and 59.

Exactly. That’s how I see it.

That said. As long as we get “our guy” with 22 or 28? I think there’s going to be an excellent compliment there after 50 range. We could still trade up at WR (similar to the Jason Spriggs move)

 

[Magooch]

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[OldSchool101]

This question was actually asked and answered in the thread.

If it wasn’t for my OCD “rain man” like behavior and questioning rules…
I wouldn’t have noticed you only selected 19 players.
You owe me 1 if it’s a Winner!

 

[Team Ronny]

So, I'm not saying he's going to be a bust but is anyone else concerned about Treylon Burks? The guy cannot any routes, is about as raw as it gets in the passing game, and has weight control issues. I'm not sure I can recall many good receivers that came into the league with weight control issues and managed to sort things out after being paid millions.

No worries..Jerry Jones LOVES his Arkansas guys!! Probably going to Cowboys.

 

[Team Ronny]

Been an awful lot of talk about our system and what fits. It's like they say about war. Your battle plan is good until the first shot is fired. My receiver has receiver qualities. Not game plan qualities. I want the best guy that catches the ball and gets open. You adjust your game plan around that imo. I sure am not drafting a wide out because he can block well. If everything else is equal...all right. But it rarely would be. A receiver is special and we don't play with 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

I remember watching Cole Beasley with the Cowboys and thinking..man if only the Packers could get a guy like him. Not a big guy..didn't block worth a ****..rarely ran after the catch..but..man..he was a 1st down machine!! Anytime they needed a 1st down..everyone knew he was getting the ball..but..time after time he was getting open and catching it!! Now if guyey can find a guy like that..a big deep ball speed guy..and..a gadget return guy..that would be ideal!!

 

[Sunshinepacker]

His route abilities are superior to London IMO, neither get open with their route trees one is a YAC beast that when you manufacture touches by play design he is a beast...the other you literally can just do a drop back and toss a jump ball and he will come down with it....

London actually ran routes for USC, Burks ran screens and gadget plays for Arkansas. I have seen nothing, nor anyone but yourself, who believes Burks even possesses rudimentary route running skills. I should also have made this clearer, I believe Burke can learn to run routes (anybody can) but I can not think of any good NFL receivers who entered the league with weight control problems.

Also, I do not want London on this team. If the Packers had stocked the receiver room better than a Piggly Wiggly then I think London could be a fantastic intermediate/contested catch guy (and MLF would love his size in the running game) but with zero actual deep threats on this team London will just be a better Lazard.

If the Packers draft a receiver (I believe they should draft one on round 1 and another in round 2) then at least one of those guys needs to be able to run routes his rookie season. If the Packers somehow paired up Burks with Williams, Olave, or Pickens then I might be forgiving of it since then the Packers have a receiver than can be a legit passing game threat THIS year; but they better be darn sure about his ability to maintain a target weight.

 

[Spanky]

No WR's in the first round. I'd kind of like to see Julio Jones brought in at this point. I don't think any WR's left in the draft will make much impact in 2022, even if they turn out to have a Davante Adams-like career arc.

 

[OldSchool101]

No WR's in the first round. I'd kind of like to see Julio Jones brought in at this point. I don't think any WR's left in the draft will make much impact in 2022, even if they turn out to have a Davante Adams-like career arc.

I think it’s very possible we’ll see another veteran either through trade or FA added.
I think that depended on this draft and how it fell.

All that said, don’t be at all surprised to see us go get a WR anywhere between #40 and #59 overall.
I’d say 85% chance we select one one in that range.

The guys that are left
Watson Pickens Moore Metchie Pierce
Tolbert Austin Robinson Bell

That’s still a really good group.

Then remember that there are a group of TE coming up that can catch.
McBride Dulcich Likely Woods Kolar

That’s 14 pass catchers and we select 3 of the next 60 selections.
and 2 of the next 27 guys

 

[Spanky]

I think it’s very possible we’ll see another veteran either through trade or FA added.
I think that depended on this draft and how it fell.

All that said, don’t be at all surprised to see us go get a WR anywhere between #40 and #59 overall.
I’d say 85% chance we select one one in that range.

The guys that are left
Watson Pickens Moore Metchie Pierce
Tolbert Austin Robinson Bell

That’s still a really good group.

Then remember that there are a group of TE coming up that can catch.
McBride Dulcich Likely Woods Kolar

That’s 14 pass catchers and we select 3 of the next 60 selections.
and 2 of the next 27 guys

If they could get Watson, Pickens, or Pierce in the 2nd I'd be turning cartwheels.

 

[Magooch]

I like any of Moore, Watson, Pickens, Pierce, Metchie, and Tolbert as potential 2/3 round WRs. Maybe add in Velus Jones and/or Tyquan Thornton if WRs get hit heavy tomorrow too.

Same is the case for McBride, Dulcich, and maybe Woods/Likely on the fringe at TE.

Assuming we keep three picks on day two… Grab me two pass-catching options and then BPA from Edge (Ebiketie, Enagbare, Mafe, Jackson, etc) or OL (Raimann, Goedeke, Lucas, Petit-Frere, etc.) and that’d be just peachy.

 

[Dantés]

I don’t know if this was really a choice; I’m just thinking out loud.

If Choice #1 is:

Draft rookie receivers

Bring in cheaper veterans (e.g. Watkins, maybe OBJ)

Keep your draft picks (ie add cheap rookie deals to the roster)

Extend all your current good players (Alexander, Jenkins, Gary, Savage)

***

And Choice #2 is:

Trade for a high end veteran receiver

Give up multiple picks

Give a huge contract to that acquired player

Choose a current player who has to walk because of cap constraints

***

I think the first option means the team is better as a whole.

 

[Pkrjones]

Trade for a high end veteran receiver

Give up multiple picks

Give a huge contract to that acquired player

This is exactly what Tennessee did in trading AJ Brown to Philly. Philly gave up #18 for AJ Brown AND gave him a 4yr/$100Mil deal. Tennessee took #18 and drafted WR Burks who will get a 4yr/$14.3Mil deal (w/ Tenn. having a 5th year option). There were other, lower picks involved also, but high-priced vet vs. rookie deal was the main point.

 

[Dantés]

This is exactly what Tennessee did in trading AJ Brown to Philly. Philly gave up #18 for AJ Brown AND gave him a 4yr/$100Mil deal. Tennessee took #18 and drafted WR Burks who will get a 4yr/$14.3Mil deal (w/ Tenn. having a 5th year option). There were other, lower picks involved also, but high-priced vet vs. rookie deal was the main point.

Yep. And if we had done something comparable for, say, Metcalf, I would have loved the acquisition.

But if you trade a 1 and a 4 and then pay Metcalf and have to let Jenkins or Alexander walk, did you make the whole team better overall? I'm not sold. It's easy to make yourself like what your team decided to do or not do, so I'm not trying to be dogmatic about this. But I genuinely don't think that move makes the whole team better.

 

[Pkrjones]

Yep. And if we had done something comparable for, say, Metcalf, I would have loved the acquisition.

We can agree to disagree... I don't think ANY WR is worth $25+Mil/year, even a young #1 like Metcalf. No player, except for a high-end QB, should be making 12-15% of the salary cap each year, IMHO. Players are artificially shortening their careers by commanding top-dollar and teams need to jettison them after any inkling of decline for cap savings.

 

[Magooch]

FWIW Rodgers did mention that we were/are "in the mix" for some of the vet WR trades that have been talked about but also did note that (For example) someone like SF probably isn't gonna want to deal with us.

I was a little surprised by the tone of his comments overall though. Maybe it's just the fact that he was kept in the loop more but he genuinely seems pretty relaxed by the whole situation. I am kind of wondering if perhaps he wasn't give some sort of assurances, something like "We like these six guys in the first, but aren't going to be willing to give up a ton to get one of them. If one of them makes it to us, we'll take them - if not, we'll be pushing hard to sign X/Y/Z via trade/free agency" or etc.

And maybe it's just talk but he did also say (paraphrase) "Whoever we add in the next couple of days, I'm gonna put in the work to make it work out" or something to that effect...

 

[Spanky]

I'm not a draft expert, but I've read and heard enough to believe that many of the WR's who go in the second tonight will be as good or better than the WR's who went in the first. I have no idea why the Saints gave up so much draft capital to take Chris Olave. None of the WR's this year would have been drafted in front of Ja'Marr Chase, Jaylen Waddle, and DeVonta Smith last year.

I'm still confident the Packers can get quality receiving help in the 2nd. Hopefully they don't crush my hopes again.

 

[OldSchool101]

There are 9 players at positions we don’t need that are rated better than our selections at 59.

QB 4
RB 2
DT 2
ILB 1

Let’s hope those positions are first off the board. We could use that run at QB that was ignored in Round 1.

Plus another
4 WR
6 OLB/DE
CB 3
TE 1
S 1
OT 1

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I don’t know if this was really a choice; I’m just thinking out loud.

If Choice #1 is:

Draft rookie receivers

Bring in cheaper veterans (e.g. Watkins, maybe OBJ)

Keep your draft picks (ie add cheap rookie deals to the roster)

Extend all your current good players (Alexander, Jenkins, Gary, Savage)

I agree you're right as long as the bold part becomes true at some point as well.

No player, except for a high-end QB, should be making 12-15% of the salary cap each year, IMHO.

Currently, there are only five non-quarterbacks in the entire league whose cap hit will account for at least 12% of the total cap this season. While it's important to structure a deal in a smart way successful teams need to hold on to elite players.

 

[Dantés]

Here's how I'm thinking about the WR position for the Packers after the draft:

Sammy Watkins: Watkins is still a quality NFL starter when he's healthy (but that's the kicker-- availability). Last year, through four games, he was on pace for a 1,000 yard season. Then he got hurt, missed four weeks, and when he came back he was sharing the role with Rashod Bateman. But the ability is still there (which makes sense-- he hasn't turned 29 yet). I think Watkins will replace Adams in the sense that he will play all over the formation, and I suspect that he will be in the neighborhood of (on average) 4.5 receptions, 65 yards, and .5 touchdowns per game played-- for however many games that ends up being.

Allen Lazard: I think he continues to play his role. He could see a bump in targets just from Rodgers not hyper-targeting Adams, but I don't think he will have an expanded role in the offense. He is what he is: a power slot who does a lot of important dirty work for you as a blocker and who gets schemed open. He isn't a man coverage beater. I could envision something like 50/650/8 for him.

Randall Cobb: With Adams gone, I think that Cobb (and Aaron Jones) will replace a lot of what Rodgers wants to do in the quick game and will inherit some of those pure chemistry plays on 3rd down. He certainly isn't as good at it, but he's still an effective player in the short passing game. In a way, I'm glad he's on the roster because I think he will be good to have in the room, but I also lament it because I think they could use a better player in his role, but they aren't likely to carry two veteran slots who don't play teams.

Christian Watson: Watson's role will grow as fast as his performance, knowledge of the play book, and rapport with Rodgers allows. I think his floor as a rookie is slotting into MVS's vertical role in the offense. So ~4.5 deep targets per game. So if he stayed healthy, that would 77 targets on the season. A 55% catch rate (we're talking about a high ADOT) would mean something like 42/756/4-- something like that. And then of course there's the upshot that he comes along faster and does more.

Romeo Doubs: Like Watson, Doubs will have a role as fast as he can earn one. Working in his favor is that he's a punt returner, and I like him to win that job. That would mean he's active on game days, which allows him to earn the shot at playing time. I would think he would at least have St. Brown's role in the offense, but with more volume given that 170 Adams targets need to get shared out. Maybe something like 20/286/2?

Amari Rodgers: Rodgers is firmly on the roster bubble. The team is clearly making special teams an emphasis after how last season ended. If he isn't a viable returner, then he needs to cover kicks and punts. But if he gets beat out for that role, he needs to have taken a huge step forward as a receiver, because he simply did not look promising at all last season. You simply are not rostering a non-ST, sluggish, pure slot backup. I hope he shows progress, but don't be surprised if he's out.

Samori Toure: If Rodgers gets beat out, I am assuming it will be by Toure, who proved to be a good gunner in college and at the Shrine Game. The problem for him is that if Doubs is the PR guy, Toure would need them to have 6 WR's active on game day in order to see an opportunity. That could be tricky. If Rodgers shows progress and earns a spot, then it's the practice squad for him all the way.

 

[Dantés]

As for adding veteran help, the one name I come across that makes sense to me, post-draft, is not a receiver at all, but a tight end, and I don't even know how feasible it is.

The Patriots gave Jonnu Smith (TE) 4/50/31.2 last offseason. He proceeded to go 28/294/1 in 11 games. Hunter Henry was their clear TE1.

Jonnu is overpaid, but if the Packers could somehow get the Patriots to eat some of his salary, they might be interested. He was most successful in LaFleur's offense and the versions of it that succeeded LaFleur in Tennessee.

But I don't know how the finances would work. Right now, it looks like the dead money it would create for NE would be prohibitive. So I think it's unlikely, but it makes more sense than any other player option I came across.

 

[Pkrjones]

Jonnu is overpaid, but if the Packers could somehow get the Patriots to eat some of his salary, they might be interested. He was most successful in LaFleur's offense and the versions of it that succeeded LaFleur in Tennessee.

But I don't know how the finances would work. Right now, it looks like the dead money it would create for NE would be prohibitive. So I think it's unlikely, but it makes more sense than any other player option I came across.

NE would be fools to eat that much cap/dead money, and GB would be fools to take-on Smith's $11Mil/yr average over the next 3 years. If Gute thought TE was that depleted he would've spent a draft pick so future-TE would be "ready" in '23, IMHO.