Wide Receiver Options

[Voyageur]

It's as bad in the real world. My Son owns a business. During the pandemic he continued paying the total salary to his employees so they wouldn't suffer. It pretty much put him in debt that will take years to recoup. But, to him, it was worth it, because they were all going to be just fine.

When things went back to semi-normal, and he could actually have them working instead of just sitting around getting paid, 4 of the 8 people walked into his office and demanded a $10 an hour raise because they could get more, working somewhere else.

When he told them that he couldn't afford to give them any kind of raise, and probably wouldn't be able to for several months, they told him to stick it and went to work for the competition. That's the kind of allegiance that's developing in the every day world we live and work in.

So, he had to work on finding replacements, and went through over a dozen people before he found 4 that could replace them. He trained them, and got them up to speed. They began to work well enough that he was making a profit on their work.

The four who had walked out on him stopped by to see him, wanting to work for him again. Apparently the people who hired them failed to tell them that even though they would be paid more per hour, they weren't guaranteed any number of hours, and they were working less than 20 hours a week each, and not getting any benefits.

He thanked them for dropping by, and told them that if they were interested in coming back to work, they could come back at a rate that was 50% of what they had been being paid, and wouldn't be eligible for any benefits for one-year, because they'd cost him so much when they walked out.

The moment they decided to haggle over the offer, he told them it was time for them to leave, because he only offered it to help them get back on their feet, and he wasn't going through what he did before.

 

[Spanky]

Boy don’t I feel stupid. He was one of my favorite players (pickable for us) coming out of college Pre draft.
He was bouncing around from the 2nd round to around our selection late first Rd1.
Glad we got Stokes

I wouldn't feel bad. The Giants had way more information than fans and they spent a #20 overall pick on him.

There are so many kids coming into the NFL these days that have all the talent, but little of the passion and maturity necessary to be successful. It has to be really difficult for a drafting team to decide who is uncoachable and who can be coached up.

 

[PikeBadger]

In this case, I'd say the team "won", the player "won" and the franchise tag and procedure pretty much worked out as perfectly as the teams and players had hoped when they agreed upon it. It gives teams some control over losing a bigtime player after investing time and money in developing that player and they can try and retain some of that in either a longer contract or trading.

A player "may" lose out on a longer contract, but also gains a very sizable 1 year contract, often times at least half of what the guaranteed money in a longer term contract would be, but likely though not always, less value long term. That cap hit without being able to spread it out or count on more years gives them power as well.

When 2 sides act like adults, it works. BOth sides were pretty respectful I think and it absolutely can be called a win for both. Not sure what the issue could be?

Well stated. I agree that it was handled well on both sides. Some times, it's just time for a player to move on for any number of reasons. It's all good to me. Adams like all players must eventually be replaced. He had a great run here. Wish him the best for the future. The franchise must continue to move forward.

 

[OldSchool101]

Fair warning this ended up being much longer than I had intended. I had more time than I expected to have since I didn't need to be doing any draft analysis or anything like that.

The franchise tag is essentially a 1 year contract offer. Adams did absolutely nothing wrong in not signing it. The Packers were within their rights as spelled out in the CBA to apply the tag and Adams was within his rights as spelled out by the CBA to not sign it. As far as I know there is nothing in the CBA that requires a player to sign the FT.

Adams signed his last contract with the Packers in 2017. That contract was for 4 years and expired after the 2021 season. Adams played those 4 years fulfilling every aspect of the contract and would have become a free agent at which point he would have been able to sign with any team he wanted.

BUT

The team stepped in and tried to prevent him from doing what he was granted the right to by the CBA. They applied the franchise tag, which they had the right to do. The FT was designed to allow teams a chance to hold on to players who were about to fulfill their part of a previously signed contract. In a perfect world the FT is said to be a means by which teams and players have more time to figure out a new long term deal. In reality the FT punishes a player who is about to fulfill everything he signed on to do in his previous contract. It prevents him from signing or even negotiating with another team even though he should be a free agent. It may prevent him from getting more money as the salary under the FT is often less than what the player could have gotten as a FA and it doesn't allow him to negotiate with other teams which he could do if he was a free agent. Its subjects him to another year of possible injury at that reduced salary and prevents him from possibly getting the security that a long term deal would likely offer. It forces him to stay another year with a team or people he may not like. Their only recourse, which is absolutely allowed by the CBA, is to refuse to sign it. Of course if they do that they are forced to sit out an entire year and make no money and, if captain is correct, they may be forced to go through it all again the following year. It's no wonder players hate the FT, it sucks for them and gives them no benefit. The NFLPA agree to it as a concession to the owners so the owners would give them free agency. Essentially a "you give us free agency and we will allow you to screw over 1 player per year if you want to.

Apparently Adams told the Packers back in February that he no longer wanted to play for them and that he wanted to go to the Raiders. The Packers had 2 options. Allow him to become a FA and leave thus gaining a likely 3rd round comp pick next year or apply the FT to allow them time to figure things out. They chose the latter which I don't blame them for doing. They knew Adams wanted out and they most likely knew where he wanted to go so the FT gave them time to work out something that benefited them but they absolutely knew or at least had a very strong idea that if they tagged him they would have trade him. Of course there was always the hope that they could have changed his mind. It sucks to lose a player of his caliber but this is what was agreed to by both sides. Nobody forced anybody to do anything and no one did anything wrong or dirty or underhanded or anything else that you may want to accuse them of to try to make them look like the bad guy.

So there you have my take on the matter. Both sides fulfilled the last contract that was signed and both sides did what was within their rights to do. Adams wanted to go to the Raiders and he is a Raider so he won. By applying the FT the Packers were able to get more than they would have by just letting him walk so they won. Win/Win.

Ok I was technically wrong with saying he refused to sign a contract, he would have to until July 15 before we got awarded up to TWO separate
(if I read that agreement correctly) Day 1 selections.

In any case. You’re right It is technically a contract, yet it’s a virtual contract because he’s never intended on playing play on it and The Packers never intended on paying him that minimum. But to be fair I’ll admit I was wrong.

Now that apologies are behind us. Adams is a jerk. Part of what he did was his conflict he had from last season. The whole Carr thing was a convenient excuse but if he wanted to sleep with Carr then why wasn’t he in bed with him in 2018? That’s a rhetorical question that I already know the answer.

 

[OldSchool101]

I will miss him very much.

I don’t. I’m more excited about all the fantastic chicks I’m about to date now that the current one is caught playing the field.

Had someone not tried to dig up some old fictitious GF Adams stories and imply the Packers organization were wife beaters? I’d have never said a word. I’m being overly dramatic to be funny but you get the picture.

I really don’t miss #17 and I’m being very truthful. In my opinion he’s aging, he’s got an attitude towards our FO (that might grow into a tumor) and he overpaid. I’m unusually elated cause You would think I should be upset. But I’m Excited. I didn’t feel that way JJ or Cobb or Jordy. Those guys are much much, more humble.

I am sorry for your loss though not trying to be disrespectful Chuck

 

[Schultz]

Ok I was technically wrong with saying he refused to sign a contract, he would have to until July 15 before we got awarded up to TWO separate
(if I read that agreement correctly) Day 1 selections.

In any case. You’re right It is technically a contract, yet it’s a virtual contract because he’s never intended on playing play on it and The Packers never intended on paying him that minimum. But to be fair I’ll admit I was wrong.

Now that apologies are behind us. Adams is a jerk. Part of what he did was his conflict he had from last season. The whole Carr thing was a convenient excuse but if he wanted to sleep with Carr then why wasn’t he in bed with him in 2018? That’s a rhetorical question that I already know the answer. I have a little detective in me I’m not as gullible as most.

Adams doesn't do a good Peewee Herman voice so he asked me to tell you: " I know you are but what am I" ?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Adams screwed us by refusal to play after being tagged.
Not refusal to sign an extension offer

Adams told the Packers in January that he wanted to play for the Raiders. They knew about it when franchise tagging him.

Is there a rule change that Franchises need written player permission to apply a tag? If so could you give us 1 player example from the NFL

The franchise needs the permission of the player to have him play under the tag as he needs to sign it.

It prevents him from signing or even negotiating with another team even though he should be a free agent.

Just for the record, the Packers placed the non-exclusive franchise tag on Adams which would have allowed him to negotiate with other teams.

 

[Schultz]

I don’t. I’m more excited about all the fantastic chicks I’m about to date now that the current one is caught playing the field.

Had someone not tried to dig up some old fictitious GF Adams stories and imply the Packers organization were wife beaters? I’d have never said a word. I’m being overly dramatic to be funny but you get the picture.

I really don’t miss him and I’m being very truthful.

You sure spend a lot of time posting about a guy you don't really think about all that much.

 

[OldSchool101]

You sure spend a lot of time posting about a guy you don't really think about all that much.

No I felt obligated to say I was wrong when I realized it.
Plus, I must enjoy your sarcastic nature? You do make me chuckle for some unknown reason. That’s scary!
You’re one of a kind… Chuck

 

[Schultz]

Hey, I resemble that remark!

 

[PikeBadger]

Final Warning. We're less than 48 hours from the annual Amish Draft contest thread being locked. Get your picks finalized soon.

 

[AKCheese]

People need to look out for #1. Thats life. When’s the last time ANY team much less the Packers carried some guy on the roster out of anything less than total 100% pure unadulterated organizational interest. Get in the real world people.

 

[AKCheese]

Adams AND the Packers handled the situation in an entirely professional manner. What’s the beef?

 

[Poppa San]

People need to look out for #1. Thats life. When’s the last time ANY team much less the Packers carried some guy on the roster out of anything less than total 100% pure unadulterated organizational interest. Get in the real world people.

Donald Driver's last season.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Donald Driver's last season.

Your answer is actually tremendous support for the other side of this discussion. You have to go back to Driver to find an example of a football team showing compassion for a player.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Adams AND the Packers handled the situation in an entirely professional manner. What’s the beef?

Some fans believe management can do no wrong and the players should be obedient serfs and do what the monarchy demands. When it doesn’t happen that way they get offended.

 

[Raleigh NC Packers Fan]

I really think that we should trade for a receiver or pass catching tight end. That is my preferred way of fixing the receiver problem. Then go heavy on defense in the draft (hopefully we would still have plenty of premium picks after making a trade or two).

With that being said, I actually like the receivers that would most likely be taken in the second round better.

I especially like Pickens, Watson, and Alec Pierce, although there are a couple of others I like as well. I just feel like the mid round receivers actually check more of the boxes in terms of things that we are looking for/need in a receiver and fit into our offense better than some of the likely first rounders. I don't think where they are drafted matters as much when it comes to receivers in terms of predicting success or being NFL ready immediately. Plus, there are some great defensive prospects that would address needs on defense that will likely taken in the first round.

Imagine the uproar if we don't take a receiver in the first round though.

 

[gopkrs]

I just feel like the mid round receivers actually check more of the boxes in terms of things that we are looking for/need in a receiver and fit into our offense better than some of the likely first rounders.

Been an awful lot of talk about our system and what fits. It's like they say about war. Your battle plan is good until the first shot is fired. My receiver has receiver qualities. Not game plan qualities. I want the best guy that catches the ball and gets open. You adjust your game plan around that imo. I sure am not drafting a wide out because he can block well. If everything else is equal...all right. But it rarely would be. A receiver is special and we don't play with 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

 

[Raleigh NC Packers Fan]

Been an awful lot of talk about our system and what fits. It's like they say about war. Your battle plan is good until the first shot is fired. My receiver has receiver qualities. Not game plan qualities. I want the best guy that catches the ball and gets open. You adjust your game plan around that imo. I sure am not drafting a wide out because he can block well. If everything else is equal...all right. But it rarely would be. A receiver is special and we don't play with 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

I get that there are other things to consider besides fit, although I do think that is very important, but I would argue that many of the mid round guys, especially Pickens, Watson, and Pierce, are also better athletes with more raw talent than the likely first rounders (thus making them more NFL ready/likely to succeed). I feel like a lot of the first rounders are ranked higher based on what they did in college, not how NFL ready they are.

 

[gopkrs]

I get that there are other things to consider besides fit, although I do think that is very important, but I would argue that many of the mid round guys, especially Pickens, Watson, and Pierce, are also better athletes with more raw talent than the likely first rounders.

I would argue that each one of those guys is more than a middle round choice. I would guess middle is late 3-5. Not knowledgeable about Pierce at all but Watson and Pickens sound like they could really be good. Also assuming Watson can catch the ball.

 

[Raleigh NC Packers Fan]

I would argue that each one of those guys is more than a middle round choice. I would guess middle is late 3-5. Not knowledgeable about Pierce at all but Watson and Pickens sound like they could really be good. Also assuming Watson can catch the ball.

By middle, I mean not round 1. These guys would probably have to be taken in round 2.
Pickens may need to be taken late in round 1, so he might be a very good choice at the 28 pick.

 

[OldSchool101]

Final Warning. We're less than 48 hours from the annual Amish Draft contest thread being locked. Get your picks finalized soon.

Hey. Something I wanted to point out. Do we need to select every round if we don’t pick in every round? Seems odd.
Why are we selecting a player in a round we’re not picking? (6th)

If the answer is yes. What would we do if we only had 6 draft picks? Lol

 

[PikeBadger]

Hey. Something I wanted to point out. Do we need to select every round if we don’t pick in every round? Seems odd.
Why are we selecting a player in a round we’re not picking? (6th)

Yes you must. The Packers could very possibly trade into a 6th round pick.

The rule is in place to prevent you from loading everything into a couple of rounds.

If you do not play by the rules, the contest administrator will put you in your place........... last place......... where you will be awarded the dunce cap.

 

[OldSchool101]

Yes you must. The Packers could very possibly trade into a 6th round pick.

The rule is in place to prevent you from loading everything into a couple of rounds.

If you do not play by the rules, the contest administrator will put you in your place........... last place......... where you will be awarded the dunce cap.

Ok ok. I see.
But If that happens (we trade into the 6th) I’ll wear it just to feel better.

 

[Poppa San]

Hey. Something I wanted to point out. Do we need to select every round if we don’t pick in every round? Seems odd.
Why are we selecting a player in a round we’re not picking? (6th)

If the answer is yes. What would we do if we only had 6 draft picks? Lol

This question was actually asked and answered in the thread.