Wide Receiver Options

[Dantés]

NE would be fools to eat that much cap/dead money, and GB would be fools to take-on Smith's $11Mil/yr average over the next 3 years. If Gute thought TE was that depleted he would've spent a draft pick so future-TE would be "ready" in '23, IMHO.

The obvious alternative possibility is that he didn’t like his options in the draft.

 

[OldSchool101]

I think this WR pantry is stocked. Matter of fact, we’re now in a position of playing “the weakest link” with draft picks or last years players. I degree their ST value for the bottom couple WR might decide their future with the team.

That said. We can add a TE and just because GB didn’t draft one doesn’t necessarily mean they wouldn’t draft one had there been a value. Also, our staff might be expecting Tonyan back sooner than later, plus some production jump from Deguara now that he’s been “in system” for a good while now. TE is also a position that can be bolstered as the season progresses without nearly the cost at WR, especially this season!
There are some FA Tight ends that could be added and each day the cost diminishes a little bit more. I’d still consider old Jared Cook if he’d take a deal in that $2-2.5M range or less. I have no idea what his status is or if he even wants to play here. He might tell us to get lost

 

[sschind]

I think this WR pantry is stocked. Matter of fact, we’re now in a position of playing “the weakest link” with draft picks or last years players. I degree their ST value for the bottom couple WR might decide their future with the team.

That said. We can add a TE and just because GB didn’t draft one doesn’t necessarily mean they wouldn’t draft one had there been a value. Also, our staff might be expecting Tonyan back sooner than later, plus some production jump from Deguara now that he’s been “in system” for a good while now. TE is also a position that can be bolstered as the season progresses without nearly the cost at WR, especially this season!
There are some FA Tight ends that could be added and each day the cost diminishes a little bit more. I’d still consider old Jared Cook if he’d take a deal in that $2-2.5M range or less. I have no idea what his status is or if he even wants to play here. He might tell us to get lost

Everyone knew the pantry would get stocked. Its just that I prefer Kraft mac and cheese to the Wal Mart brand.

Playing weakest link with the bottom of the pile is fine but it doesn't necessarily mean the strongest ones at the top are all that good.

WR is still our biggest question mark going into the season and I would say it is still our weakest link. Obviously if a few guys pan out that could change but for now we are still banking on potential to bail us out.

 

[OldSchool101]

Everyone knew the pantry would get stocked. Its just that I prefer Kraft mac and cheese to the Wal Mart brand.

Playing weakest link with the bottom of the pile is fine but it doesn't necessarily mean the strongest ones at the top are all that good.

WR is still our biggest question mark going into the season and I would say it is still our weakest link. Obviously if a few guys pan out that could change but for now we are still banking on potential to bail us out.

Bah humbug!

 

[Spanky]

I'd still like to see another veteran brought in with a fairly high upside. Like Julio Jones. I have little faith Watkins can stay healthy and then we're down to rookies (who rarely make an impact in year 1) and Lazard/Cobb/Rodgers.

Unless Christain Watson pulls a Justin Jefferson, this WR group is trash.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

As for adding veteran help, the one name I come across that makes sense to me, post-draft, is not a receiver at all, but a tight end, and I don't even know how feasible it is.

The Patriots gave Jonnu Smith (TE) 4/50/31.2 last offseason. He proceeded to go 28/294/1 in 11 games. Hunter Henry was their clear TE1.

Jonnu is overpaid, but if the Packers could somehow get the Patriots to eat some of his salary, they might be interested. He was most successful in LaFleur's offense and the versions of it that succeeded LaFleur in Tennessee.

But I don't know how the finances would work. Right now, it looks like the dead money it would create for NE would be prohibitive. So I think it's unlikely, but it makes more sense than any other player option I came across.

The Patriots trading Smith would result in $11.25 million of dead money counting against their cap, creating only $2.4 million of cap space for them in 2022. I highly doubt they would be interested in eating some of his salary on top of it as well.

WR is still our biggest question mark going into the season and I would say it is still our weakest link.

In my opinion the entire group of pass catchers is the biggest question mark entering the season as the Packers lack talent at tight end as well.

I'd still like to see another veteran brought in with a fairly high upside. Like Julio Jones. I have little faith Watkins can stay healthy and then we're down to rookies (who rarely make an impact in year 1) and Lazard/Cobb/Rodgers.

Unless Christain Watson pulls a Justin Jefferson, this WR group is trash.

With the Packers lacking talented veteran receivers I fully expect the rookies to make an impact this season. With that being said I don't feel overly confident about the group either though.

 

[OldSchool101]

The great thing about Roster building is it doesn’t stop. It’s a continuous process and GB could run with these 13 non proven receivers and add a 14th one later (such as through a pre trade deadline measure)

Truthfully. I’m really not in the least bit worried. This draft had decent WR’s all throughout the ranks. I think Watson, Doubs and Toure will produce 1-2 early producers. Watkins, Lazard, Cobb, Tonyan, Dillon, Jones (and possibly others) will be just fine.

 

[Dantés]

Here are some names that could become available via trade mid-season if their teams fail to be competitive.

-Tyler Lockett, SEA
-D.K. Metcalf, SEA*
-Robby Anderson, CAR
-Marvin Jones, JAC
-Laviska Shenault, JAC
-Terry McLaurin, WAS*
-Diontae Johnson, PIT*
-Chase Claypool, PIT*
-Jerry Jeudy, DEN
-Sterling Shepard, NYG
-Darius Slayton, NYG
-Keenan Allen, LAC
-Corey Davis, NYJ
-Nelson Agholor, NE

*If these players sign new deals before the season begins, I would take them off the list.

 

[tynimiller]

I just keep coming back to Shenault as a potentially lower cost, but different than anyone we have. I like that option.

Robby Anderson is a realistic possibility if Caronlina starts blowing stuff up....which isn't far fetched.

 

[Schultz]

The name on that list that I like a lot is Sterling Shepard. Of course their contract situations could sway me in another direction.

 

[Packerbacker1996]

Here are some names that could become available via trade mid-season if their teams fail to be competitive.

-Tyler Lockett, SEA
-D.K. Metcalf, SEA*
-Robby Anderson, CAR
-Marvin Jones, JAC
-Laviska Shenault, JAC
-Terry McLaurin, WAS*
-Diontae Johnson, PIT*
-Chase Claypool, PIT*
-Jerry Jeudy, DEN
-Sterling Shepard, NYG
-Darius Slayton, NYG
-Keenan Allen, LAC
-Corey Davis, NYJ
-Nelson Agholor, NE

*If these players sign new deals before the season begins, I would take them off the list.

We won't need anymore receivers. We have a ton of talent and throughout this season few stars will start to shine.
We are good.

 

[sschind]

We won't need anymore receivers. We have a ton of talent and throughout this season few stars will start to shine.
We are good.

That's what some people have been saying for the past 5 years. I didn't buy it then and I'm not really buying it now. I like the guys we have now but I wouldn't say it's a ton of talent. Adams aside I'd say we probably have a bit more proven talent than years past but that proven talent is probably just above average at this point in their careers. It's nothing to write home about. We are very long on potential and with Watson and Doubs that potential is probably more likely to be realized than in years past but it still has a long way to go before it can be considered reliable.

 

[OldSchool101]

Last season we had a #1, #3 plus a bunch of 4-5’s Wideouts.


If they use Watson he’s going between 700-1000 yards Rookie season as a #2 WR. If Doubs turns it on, he’s got that #3 potential early on #450-699 yards. It’ll either be him or Cobb filling in the gaps
We could have
2-#2’s (Watkins, Watson)
2-#3’s (Lazard, Cobb or Doubs)

Not sure where you place Amari.
But he’d better turn the burners on if he wants to remain in GB

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I think the #1 target getter is going to be Jones. I think Watson will probably be used similarly to how MVS was used while Watson is learning how to run routes more crisply so I think 600 receiving yards would be a good rookie season from him. I'll be happy if Doubs and Watson can combine for 1,000+ yards.

I have no idea how, or even if, Aaron Rodgers is going to hit 4,000 yards passing this season but it's going to be really interesting to watch. Packers lost 1,900+ receiving yards from last year and replaced those players with three rookies and Sammy Watkins. MLF going to earn his paycheck this season.

 

[PikeBadger]

I just keep coming back to Shenault as a potentially lower cost, but different than anyone we have. I like that option.

Robby Anderson is a realistic possibility if Caronlina starts blowing stuff up....which isn't far fetched.

Why would Jacksonville get rid of a guy on his first contract?

 

[tynimiller]

Why would Jacksonville get rid of a guy on his first contract?

Have you watched the amount of cash they have thrown and additional wide outs they brought in this year? Also other young guys there.

It is apparent to me he is not part of their immediate plans.

 

[Packerbacker1996]

I think the #1 target getter is going to be Jones. I think Watson will probably be used similarly to how MVS was used while Watson is learning how to run routes more crisply so I think 600 receiving yards would be a good rookie season from him. I'll be happy if Doubs and Watson can combine for 1,000+ yards.

I have no idea how, or even if, Aaron Rodgers is going to hit 4,000 yards passing this season but it's going to be really interesting to watch. Packers lost 1,900+ receiving yards from last year and replaced those players with three rookies and Sammy Watkins. MLF going to earn his paycheck this season.

Watson is going to have 1000+ yards season.
Doubs 600-700 similar to Jones, Cob and Tanyen. RBs and couple others will account for the rest.
Rodgers will pass for 4000+ yards and 33+ TDs.
We will run for 1800+ yards as well.
Out D# will be top 5 by the end of the season and ST around 14.
This are my predictions.

We will revisit this thread end of season.

 

[Jayzee1981]

For all WR paranoids, you’re also failing to realize what we did on the other side of the ball. We shored up glaring needs in the DLine and now have a compatible LB for Campbell. Think of it this way. We essentially traded Adams for Walker, Wyatt, Watson, got to resign Douglas and Campbell, plus add Reed. I’d say this team is much better off than it was when that clock hit 0 in GB.

 

[Packerbacker1996]

Exactly right.

 

[Schultz]

For all WR paranoids, you’re also failing to realize what we did on the other side of the ball. We shored up glaring needs in the DLine and now have a compatible LB for Campbell. Think of it this way. We essentially traded Adams for Walker, Wyatt, Watson, got to resign Douglas and Campbell, plus add Reed. I’d say this team is much better off than it was when that clock hit 0 in GB.

Please explain to me how they traded Adams for Walker, Wyatt and Watson?

 

[Pkrjones]

Please explain to me how they traded Adams for Walker, Wyatt and Watson?

I believe those saying this are using the draft picks & salary saved ($25mil/yr-ish) by not re-signing Adams. Walker was the #22 pick, & #53 & our #59 were the Watson pick. The contracts (per year) of the top 3 picks, Douglas, & Campbell roughly amount to what Adams doesn't count against our cap.

 

[tynimiller]

Campbell was going announced as signed before Adams trade and after tag. Campbell was being squeezed in even with Adams here still

 

[OldSchool101]

Campbell was going announced as signed before Adams trade and after tag. Campbell was being squeezed in even with Adams here still

I think it’s more a comparative of capital, not so much chronological order etc..
when you add those contracts up they are comparable in value to what was saved by Adams departure after getting tagged.

The only thing I’d add is (if I recall my original sum off assets correctly?) that group would also included Tonyan’s $$
However to get that group @Jayzee1981 listed (his was a slightly different take than my original assets trad-off post) we spent a natural #59 draft pick and drafted Wyatt at #28 and that part had nothing to do with Adams, so that needs to be stated.
Still a pretty great resource haul when you look at it that way.

Robert Tonyan $3.75M
Q. Walker $3.4M (#22 from trade)
D. Campbell $10M
Rasul Douglas $7M
D. Reed $3.25
S. Watkins $1.85M
C. Watson $2.75M (used #53 trade)

I have us about $3M heavy over Adams $28.25m. However the the packers would’ve spent the salary of the #59 selection regardless of Adams so we can reduce that down by about 2M+ so I’m splitting hairs $$ and we don’t know if GB offered Adams a hair more than $28.25m before negotiations stopped altogether.

So it comes to this. Would we trade those 7 players for Adams plus a #59 overall??
To me it’s not even a decision

 

[sschind]

For all WR paranoids, you’re also failing to realize what we did on the other side of the ball. We shored up glaring needs in the DLine and now have a compatible LB for Campbell. Think of it this way. We essentially traded Adams for Walker, Wyatt, Watson, got to resign Douglas and Campbell, plus add Reed. I’d say this team is much better off than it was when that clock hit 0 in GB.

Rather than paranoid I think we fall into the category of optimistic but not totally convinced as opposed to you WR everything is fine people. What you are failing to realize is that Adams was one of the best WRs in the league. He's gone and now and our WR room doesn't have anyone even close to or even thinking about sniffing at his talent level right now. All the other things are true and its great but most of us WR paranoids are thinking about the WRs. I don't know about you but if someone asks me what I think about the Packers WRs I'm not thinking about Walker, and Wyatt and signed Campbell and Douglas because those guys aren't WRs. I'm thinking about our WRs.

 

[Packerbacker1996]

Rather than paranoid I think we fall into the category of optimistic but not totally convinced as opposed to you WR everything is fine people. What you are failing to realize is that Adams was one of the best WRs in the league. He's gone and now and our WR room doesn't have anyone even close to or even thinking about sniffing at his talent level right now. All the other things are true and its great but most of us WR paranoids are thinking about the WRs. I don't know about you but if someone asks me what I think about the Packers WRs I'm not thinking about Walker, and Wyatt and signed Campbell and Douglas because those guys aren't WRs. I'm thinking about our WRs.

Adams was a great WRs however Rodgers over reliance on Adams was part of the problem in the first place.

By not spreading the ball around he hindered the development of the other guys as well as discouraged them from giving 100% by not including them in the game.

Rodgers was is to worried about his QBR and how many interceptions be throws instead of the overall health of the offense.

He needs to lose up and put some trust in all of his weapons to.build there confidence and skills.
If he does that we will have guys start to shine.

Rodgers needs 30% Favre in him.