Week 9 Sunday late game at Kansas City (Pregame and after game thread)

[Pokerbrat2000]

Agreed…however this latest incident could very well be an indication of things the Packers management has been dealing with quietly for quite some time. I suspect they are now not so secretly praying that Love shows some spark, and that they can legitimately plan to move on. Rodgers is an incredible talent on the field, but I’m not sure how much more the front office wants to deal with.

Right and those are all the details that we don't know about. Much like some of the insider knowledge of Favre. I think Brees was a pretty open book. Nice guy, really good QB, but like Manning, his body just gave out at the end.

Rodgers could physically have 9 more years in him, who knows, but how many years does he have left mentally being a Packer and vice versa with how many more years can the FO see dealing with him?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Much appreciated. Now in your defense based on others point of views on other subjects (defense, wr depth, draft, salary cap, that other one) maybe I am wrong to jump to the conclusion that something as obvious as that does not need to be pointed out. I sincerely apologize.

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[I asked LT to delete my acct]

At the risk of this getting me in trouble with mods, the simple fact is if your employer has a protocol in place that says to work you HAVE to take the injection or not be allowed to work, that`s just the way it is. NONE of us here could refuse, well we could refuse but we cannot work there at the time, it`s thier right. Let`s just get behind Love or Bortles and hope we beat the Chiefs.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

At the risk of this getting me in trouble with mods, the simple fact is if your employer has a protocol in place that says to work you HAVE to take the injection or not be allowed to work, that`s just the way it is. NONE of us here could refuse, well we could refuse but we cannot work there at the time, it`s thier right. Let`s just get behind Love or Bortles and hope we beat the Chiefs.

 

[mongoosev]

You are comparing 2 QB's that are 4-5 years apart? Why not compare him to Tom Brady? Personally, I don't really think you compare Rodgers to either of those guys, since all 3 players are independently different from the others in so many ways, including the team dynamic.

The Packers will make their decisions based on Aaron himself, Love and probably the Salary Cap.

I'm not comparing QBs i'm comparing the two teams that is similar in a situational dilemma. So if Love does a good job why do a deja vu with Rod and farve all over again?

Brady is another story in itself. Now if someone wanted to use him as an example in terms of age....then go right ahead. Haha

 

[OldSchool101]

Another thing I'm interested in is to see how Love and MLF manage the clock. Will we be seeing the play clock wind down to almost nothing prior to the snap and the use of timeouts to avoid penalties?

This is simply my guess, but I don’t see Love churning the timeouts as much. Mostly because he won’t change the plays last second like Rodgers does, to get into more favorable matchups.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm not comparing QBs i'm comparing the two teams that is similar in a situational dilemma. So if Love does a good job why do a deja vu with Rod and farve all over again?

Brady is another story in itself. Now if someone wanted to use him as an example in terms of age....then go right ahead. Haha

OK....you are comparing 2 situations that are not exactly the same, is that better? There was no dilemma in New Orleans 4 years ago, Brees wanted to play for the Saints. The Saints, despite drafting 3 QB's (2015, 2020 and 2021) as well as FA's Taysom Hill, Bridgewater and Winston, didn't find a replacement for Brees. Have the Packers found Rodgers replacement yet? We don't know and they still have 4 years left to do so, before I would compare them to New Orleans. Like I said, the players AND the situations are different.

I do agree that the Rodgers situation has slowly become more like the Favre situation, which is why I threw his name into the mix. I think many of us have said that since Love was drafted. IF and that is a big IF right now, Love does show that he is the heir apparent, then of course they probably trade Rodgers, get as much as they can and move on. However, if Love doesn't pan out, I don't think they say "Let's not end up like the Saints and keep Rodgers too long, trade him". They might say "he still doesn't want to be here, lets try to draft his replacement in the 2022 draft and get ready to move on. But if Rodgers is all in as a Packer, Love doesn't look legit, why would you move on from Rodgers 4 years before he reaches the age that Brees and Favre retired and 7 years prior to an age when Brady is still playing?

 

[mongoosev]

OK....you are comparing 2 situations that are not exactly the same, is that better? There was no dilemma in New Orleans 4 years ago, Brees wanted to play for the Saints. The Saints, despite drafting 3 QB's (2015, 2020 and 2021) as well as FA's Taysom Hill, Bridgewater and Winston, didn't find a replacement for Brees. Have the Packers found Rodgers replacement yet? We don't know and they still have 4 years left to do so, before I would compare them to New Orleans. Like I said, the players AND the situations are different.

I do agree that the Rodgers situation has slowly become more like the Favre situation, which is why I threw his name into the mix. I think many of us have said that since Love was drafted. IF and that is a big IF right now, Love does show that he is the heir apparent, then of course they probably trade Rodgers, get as much as they can and move on. However, if Love doesn't pan out, I don't think they say "Let's not end up like the Saints and keep Rodgers too long, trade him". They might say "he still doesn't want to be here, lets try to draft his replacement in the 2022 draft and get ready to move on. But if Rodgers is all in as a Packer, Love doesn't look legit, why would you move on from Rodgers 4 years before he reaches the age that Brees and Favre retired and 7 years prior to an age when Brady is still playing?

LOL Before we go all over the place and back and fourth with stats, the point of my argument falls squarely on Love's performance. Saints focused heavily on Brees and they had no successor to Brees other than a backup Hill. We are in a better situation if Love can do the job right now. If not, then it's back to relying on Rod or move on. After all, Rod is a good selling point because upper management is all about the other color green and will be in the same situation as the Saints.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

LOL Before we go all over the place and back and fourth with stats, the point of my argument falls squarely on Love's performance. Saints focused heavily on Brees and they had no successor to Brees other than a backup Hill. We are in a better situation if Love can do the job right now. If not, then it's back to relying on Rod or move on. After all, Rod is a good selling point because upper management is all about the other color green and will be in the same situation as the Saints.

You are forgetting a big difference between the Saints situation and the Packers. Brees never wanted out of New Orleans. Also, saying that Hill was the Saints only contingency plan at QB is not true. So far the Packers appear to have made one contingency plan, Jordan Love. How that works out, we may or may not know after just one game. Matt Flynn looked spectacular against the Lions.

 

[mongoosev]

You are forgetting a big difference between the Saints situation and the Packers. Brees never wanted out of New Orleans. Also, saying that Hill was the Saints only contingency plan at QB is not true. So far the Packers appear to have made one contingency plan, Jordan Love. How that works out, we may or may not know after just one game. Matt Flynn looked spectacular against the Lions.

Yes...as my point again falls squarely on Love's performance.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yes...as my point again falls squarely on Love's performance.

Sundays performance? I would be careful with what you draw from that.

Taking it back to the Saints....situation. Another way the 2 teams differ for comparison. The Saints were able to "audition" a few of Brees's potential replacements in his final 3 seasons, simply due to Brees getting injured enough. Since 2017, AR has played pretty much every snap, so the Packers didn't have that opportunity arise. In 2017 we saw how bad the offense looked under Hundley and 2018 a brief chance to see the same results with Kizer. Unfortunately, I don't think Love is ready yet and on Sunday, I don't really expect things to look that much different than they did for Kizer and Hundley. At least our defense is playing better.

Side note, because I looked up some stuff on Hundley. I am shocked, he is still in the NFL and with the Colts. Since the Packers let him lose in 2017, he has thrown the ball in a game 5 times (2019) for the Cardinals. In his NFL career he has made around $4-5M. That's a lot of cheddar to carry a clipboard and/or not even suit up.

 

[mongoosev]

Sundays performance? I would be careful with what you draw from that.

Taking it back to the Saints....situation. Another way the 2 teams differ for comparison. The Saints were able to "audition" a few of Brees's potential replacements in his final 3 seasons, simply due to Brees getting injured enough. Since 2017, AR has played pretty much every snap, so the Packers didn't have that opportunity arise. In 2017 we saw how bad the offense looked under Hundley and 2018 a brief chance to see the same results with Kizer. Unfortunately, I don't think Love is ready yet and on Sunday, I don't really expect things to look that much different than they did for Kizer and Hundley. At least our defense is playing better.

Side note, because I looked up some stuff on Hundley. I am shocked, he is still in the NFL and with the Colts. Since the Packers let him lose in 2017, he has thrown the ball in a game 5 times (2019) for the Cardinals. In his NFL career he has made around $4-5M. That's a lot of cheddar to carry a clipboard and/or not even suit up.

Yup!

 

[Packermudgeon]

OK....you are comparing 2 situations that are not exactly the same, is that better? There was no dilemma in New Orleans 4 years ago, Brees wanted to play for the Saints. The Saints, despite drafting 3 QB's (2015, 2020 and 2021) as well as FA's Taysom Hill, Bridgewater and Winston, didn't find a replacement for Brees. Have the Packers found Rodgers replacement yet? We don't know and they still have 4 years left to do so, before I would compare them to New Orleans. Like I said, the players AND the situations are different.

I do agree that the Rodgers situation has slowly become more like the Favre situation, which is why I threw his name into the mix. I think many of us have said that since Love was drafted. IF and that is a big IF right now, Love does show that he is the heir apparent, then of course they probably trade Rodgers, get as much as they can and move on. However, if Love doesn't pan out, I don't think they say "Let's not end up like the Saints and keep Rodgers too long, trade him". They might say "he still doesn't want to be here, lets try to draft his replacement in the 2022 draft and get ready to move on. But if Rodgers is all in as a Packer, Love doesn't look legit, why would you move on from Rodgers 4 years before he reaches the age that Brees and Favre retired and 7 years prior to an age when Brady is still playing?

I guess this all depends on Rodgers being "all in" as a Packer. If he acts like Favre after the season, I could see them moving on from Rodgers for the same reason they moved on from Favre.

As far as Love, I wouldn't expect him to look like he's an all pro, but it's good experience for him and we can get an idea where he is in his development. As I recall, Rodgers didn't really show signs he was ready to play until the Dallas game in 2007. Every player is different, but I certainly wouldn't expect Love to develop faster than Rodgers.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Sadly, I do know how this particular virus works and have lost a few friends/family to it. I also know a few people who have had it twice. So just because Rodgers and Adams have had it, they aren't immune to getting it again, especially a variant.

Same applies whether vaccinated or not. Ask Colin Powell.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Well, Bortles was released before the start of training camp once Rodgers showed up for it. He still has a better knowledge of the system having been with the team for 2 1/2 months in the offseason than any other quarterback the Packers could have signed at this point.

Better knowledge than Boyle?

 

[Pugger]

Yes. As you pointed out, if we had to pick a game to play our backup QB? You’d obviously point to an AFC Match first. Then next one with a lower ranked D

Sorry if I'm repeating myself. I'm getting old and senile.

 

[Pugger]

I think Packer fans are going to be reminded as to just how great of a game manager at the LOS Aaron Rodgers is. I hope I am wrong, but its going to be night and day out there between the 2 QB's.

With all of his experience AR is a great game manager at the LOS. I hope Love performs well and our D keeps the Chiefs in check.

 

[Schultz]

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[gopkrs]

I guess this all depends on Rodgers being "all in" as a Packer. If he acts like Favre after the season, I could see them moving on from Rodgers for the same reason they moved on from Favre.

As far as Love, I wouldn't expect him to look like he's an all pro, but it's good experience for him and we can get an idea where he is in his development. As I recall, Rodgers didn't really show signs he was ready to play until the Dallas game in 2007. Every player is different, but I certainly wouldn't expect Love to develop faster than Rodgers.

Yeah. I actually want to have a better look at Love's arm.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I don't know. ARod has been playing great and with a great attitude. People all over (including NFL) have been getting covid. It just happens. Hopefully it won't affect him physically too much. Whether we move on or not is gonna depend imho on contract issues. I have said before, I don't think it is impossible that we could do something like the Saints did with Breeze. And Tampa Bay seems to be doing with Brady.

The Packers don't have the cap space to keep Rodgers on a one-year deal next season.

Agreed…however this latest incident could very well be an indication of things the Packers management has been dealing with quietly for quite some time. I suspect they are now not so secretly praying that Love shows some spark, and that they can legitimately plan to move on. Rodgers is an incredible talent on the field, but I’m not sure how much more the front office wants to deal with.

I honestly wonder if the locker room still wants to deal with Rodgers after the way he handled the COVID-19 situation this season.

Better knowledge than Boyle?

Boyle wasn't available though as he's currently on injured reserve with the Lions.

 

[ctfxcwatcher]

The locker room and everyone in the Packers organization knew he wasn't vaccinated. Even when he said he was "immune" they knew. I think other players aren't vaccinated either. I don't think this has caused any divide with the players and Rodgers. Aaron Jones liked a tweet basically defending Aaron. Mercedes Lewis also subtweeted something that seems to support Aaron.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The locker room and everyone in the Packers organization knew he wasn't vaccinated. Even when he said he was "immune" they knew. I think other players aren't vaccinated either. I don't think this has caused any divide with the players and Rodgers. Aaron Jones liked a tweet basically defending Aaron. Mercedes Lewis also subtweeted something that seems to support Aaron.

I'm not convinced the locker room or the team was aware that Rodgers wasn't vaccinated.

 

[Krabs]

Sundays performance? I would be careful with what you draw from that.

Taking it back to the Saints....situation. Another way the 2 teams differ for comparison. The Saints were able to "audition" a few of Brees's potential replacements in his final 3 seasons, simply due to Brees getting injured enough. Since 2017, AR has played pretty much every snap, so the Packers didn't have that opportunity arise. In 2017 we saw how bad the offense looked under Hundley and 2018 a brief chance to see the same results with Kizer. Unfortunately, I don't think Love is ready yet and on Sunday, I don't really expect things to look that much different than they did for Kizer and Hundley. At least our defense is playing better.

Side note, because I looked up some stuff on Hundley. I am shocked, he is still in the NFL and with the Colts. Since the Packers let him lose in 2017, he has thrown the ball in a game 5 times (2019) for the Cardinals. In his NFL career he has made around $4-5M. That's a lot of cheddar to carry a clipboard and/or not even suit up.

Hundley was released by the Colts. I don't think he is on an NFL team. We could have brought him in instead of Bortles.

Edit: After his release they did re-sign him to their practice squad. I also read that he is a protected practice squad player, meaning the Packers could not have signed him. Aww shucks!

 

[Krabs]

I'm not convinced the locker room or the team was aware that Rodgers wasn't vaccinated.

They knew he was not vaccinated. He filed some type of waiver to use his homeopathic treatment given to boost his immune system as his vaccination. The NFL and the NFLPA denied this appeal and he was considered unvaccinated since that time. So, they had to have known about it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Hundley was released by the Colts. I don't think he is on an NFL team. We could have brought him in instead of Bortles.

I saw that after my post. I think Bortles was the better choice, given that he was in camp this summer with this team and learned the playbook. Hundley was a Packer 4 years ago, when McCarthy was running the offense, wasn't a very good QB and has way less experience than Bortles, as well as less playing time in the last 4 years.