Week 2 home opener: Packers v.s. Vikings

[Do7]

How do you expect fans to feel when it comes to King? I doubt there are many of us that don't want him to suddenly become healthy and become a lock down Pro Bowl corner. However, the facts are telling us a much different story, should we ignore reality?

The Packers invested quite a lot into King, at the expense of getting someone else like TJ Watt, so yes, Packer fans are rightfully disappointed in the return IMO.

This has nothing to do with Alexander or any other Packer, you are projecting something that doesn't yet exist for another player. So trying to shame people over something that hasn't happened (Jaire missing tons of games due to injury) is kind of silly.

As far as declaring him a bust, I wouldn't officially do that until its a known, but it sure is trending that way and if you don't see that, I can't help you.

You make it sound as if King wants to go out there and get injured. My point is that Alexander last year went down due to injury just like King did in his first year, even though both players showed promise. And then it just so happens King got injured again into his second year, in which everyone's patience pretty much wore thin with the guy. I just want people to have that same kind of mentality with Alexander is all I'm saying, or dare I say that would be a bit hypocritical considering we've invested much into him as well.

Outside of his injury issues, the dude has been a solid player on the field. Do you deny this? So the way I see it the jury is still out on him and there is no "trend" to where he is. As he's a solid player that just had bad luck dealing with injuries. If Jaire were to go down this same road would we be labeling him a bust? I wonder...

 

[greengold]

This is good to see!

https://twitter.com/ReinerOlivia/status/1172551916615811075

Also, Vikings down 2 CBs for this game, Hughes is listed as doubtful and Mackensie Alexander is out.

 

[gbgary]

king seems like he might be a good CB. he's shown flashes but he's missed more than a season's worth of games in his career so far, got hurt or played hurt in many of the others. the bust label isn't there for any other reason other than he can't stay healthy.

 

[Do7]

king seems like he might be a good CB. he's shown flashes but he's missed more than a season's worth of games in his career so far, got hurt or played hurt in many of the others. the bust label isn't there for any other reason other than he can't stay healthy.

In his first year King missed a total of 5 games, where as last year he missed around 8. That is not more than a season's worth of games. That's being a bit overdramatic, wouldn't you say?

 

[mongoosev]

king seems like he might be a good CB. he's shown flashes but he's missed more than a season's worth of games in his career so far, got hurt or played hurt in many of the others. the bust label isn't there for any other reason other than he can't stay healthy.

The thing about King is that he seems very fragile with his slim build. Reminds me of that receiver Abbrederis...

 

[PackerDNA]

The thing about King is that he seems very fragile with his slim build. Reminds me of that receiver Abbrederis...

That's been the thing for me with King, he seems......skinny.

 

[GleefulGary]

If TJ Watt was named Jerome Hughes and went to Oregon, people wouldn't care as much.

 

[greengold]

No S, GleefulGary!!!! That's funny.

Looks like Jaire is doing just fine....

https://twitter.com/packers/status/1172577316003880960

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I'm excited to see if the Packers can get a little more into their playbook against the Vikings. My biggest disappointment against the Bears was the frequency with which the Packers went play-action. Against the Bears the Packers only used play-action on 19% of their offensive snaps. For comparison, the Cowboys (with a more limited offense) went play-action 46.6% of the time and looked amazing throwing the ball downfield. All the data shows that the actual efficacy of the run game doesn't matter on play-action so don't start saying the Bears were stuffing the run so play-action wouldn't work. Linebackers and safeties don't see the handoff, stop, and think to themselves, "We're stopping the run so it must be a fake and I can ignore it"; players are trained over their entire lives to react to the run and that split second where they react is where play-action works.

Last year, the Titans with LaFleur used play-action on 25% of the time(for comparison, Rodgers went play-action 15.9% last year). Last week, the average play-action rate for the entire league was 25% so I really hope we see something over 30% against the Vikings this week.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You make it sound as if King wants to go out there and get injured.

Actually, you are projecting that, I have never said that, nor have I seen someone else post it.

In his first year King missed a total of 5 games, where as last year he missed around 8. That is not more than a season's worth of games. That's being a bit overdramatic, wouldn't you say?

Snap Counts is the better way to look at things and I will compare Kings with a regular starter who played in all 16 games. Then also remember, those do not reflect how healthy the player was when actually taking snaps. I know King was playing injured a few of the games he suited up and attempted to play. By snap counts, in Kings first 2 years he has played in 33% of the snaps that an otherwise healthy starter would have played in.

So sure, as you said "he is a solid dude" when on the field, but when you can only play 1/3 the amount of time a healthy player can, you don't think that is a problem?

2017:

King: 380 snaps

Clinton-Dix: 1044


2018:

King: 304 snaps

Tramon Williams:1059

2019:

King: 41 snaps

Williams: 71

 

[gbgary]

In his first year King missed a total of 5 games, where as last year he missed around 8. That is not more than a season's worth of games. That's being a bit overdramatic, wouldn't you say?

he's appeared in just 16 games out of 33. that's 17 he's missed.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KingKe01.htm

 

[Mondio]

All the data shows that the actual efficacy of the run game doesn't matter on play-action so don't start saying the Bears were stuffing the run so play-action wouldn't work. Linebackers and safeties don't see the handoff, stop, and think to themselves, "We're stopping the run so it must be a fake and I can ignore it"; players are trained over their entire lives to react to the run and that split second where they react is where play-action works.

Defenders are absolutely able to react differently on every different play especially when the entire philosophy around a defensive play call is different. The Bears were killing us up front and you can bet they were calling their defense accordingly. Besides that, a 2nd and 2 probably is a much better play for play action than 3rd and 15. 1st and 10 play actions will work if you're able to run the ball successfully on 1st down. They tend not to work so well when you gain zero yards every time. Sure you can get one to work once and while. People convert 4th and 26's too, but that's not the league norm.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If TJ Watt was named Jerome Hughes and went to Oregon, people wouldn't care as much.

Yeah, why talk about what a solid player he has become for the Steelers. We are all just enamored by his name and the fact that he played for the Badgers.

But yeah, he stinks

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

#Packers QB Aaron Rodgers wore a new wristband on his left arm at practice today. Matt LaFleur wouldn’t reveal what its exact purpose was, or if it would be worn on Sunday. “Just wanted to experiment with it. Maybe it helps me get the play to him a little bit quicker.”

You must be logged in to see this image or video!

You must be logged in to see this image or video!

 

[XPack]

Aaron Rodgers wore a new wristband on his left arm at practice today. Matt LaFleur wouldn’t reveal what its exact purpose was, or if it would be worn on Sunday. “Just wanted to experiment with it. Maybe it helps me get the play to him a little bit quicker.

Tried that for my SAT exams. They kicked me out.

 

[OldSchool101]

#Packers QB Aaron Rodgers wore a new wristband on his left arm at practice today. Matt LaFleur wouldn’t reveal what its exact purpose was, or if it would be worn on Sunday. “Just wanted to experiment with it. Maybe it helps me get the play to him a little bit quicker.”

You must be logged in to see this image or video!

You must be logged in to see this image or video!

Probably micro tranquilizer darts that can be released 007 style, of which the effects cannot be detected or neutralized by an antiserum for exactly 3 hours.

 

[gbgary]

#Packers QB Aaron Rodgers wore a new wristband on his left arm at practice today. Matt LaFleur wouldn’t reveal what its exact purpose was, or if it would be worn on Sunday. “Just wanted to experiment with it. Maybe it helps me get the play to him a little bit quicker.”

a lot faster saying #27 than "$%&()^@!@$^*()))%%#$$(($%^!^*)&(&^$$* on 2."

 

[mongoosev]

Probably micro tranquilizer darts that can be released 007 style, of which the effects cannot be detected or neutralized by an antiserum for exactly 3 hours.

You might be onto something. I think that is what Cutler used against us. Only problem he kept sticking himself with these 007 darts and kept passing to our D-backs.

 

[GleefulGary]

Yeah, why talk about what a solid player he has become for the Steelers. We are all just enamored by his name and the fact that he played for the Badgers.

But yeah, he stinks

Did I say he stinks?

The more egregious selection was Biegel over Carl Lawson (which I defended at the time!).

We needed a CB more than an edge. King is a good player, when healthy. I didn't, and still don't, have a problem with the pick.

 

[greengold]

Did I say he stinks?

The more egregious selection was Biegel over Carl Lawson (which I defended at the time!).

We needed a CB more than an edge. King is a good player, when healthy. I didn't, and still don't, have a problem with the pick.

Have to admit/agree we needed CB way more, but I was pissed too.

 

[PackAttack12]

a lot faster saying #27 than "$%&()^@!@$^*()))%%#$$(($%^!^*)&(&^$$* on 2."

Was this almost, sort of, kind of (not really) a positive comment toward Aaron Rodgers?!

 

[XPack]

The more egregious selection was Biegel over Carl Lawson (which I defended at the time!).

Whom the Saints picked and immediately traded for Kiko Alonso....

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

We needed a CB more than an edge. King is a good player, when healthy. I didn't, and still don't, have a problem with the pick.

At the time I would have preferred TJ Watt, but was excited about King knowing we desperately needed help at CB. However, I knew nothing about his shoulder issues that existed before the draft, issues that I am quite sure scouts were well aware of. While I admit to using hindsight now, I would have been a lot more nervous about selecting him, knowing what we all learned later about his shoulder. TT obviously didn't see it as much of a risk and was willing to gamble the first pick in the second round on a guy that without the injury problems, probably is a top 20 CB in the league by now.

 

[Do7]

Actually, you are projecting that, I have never said that, nor have I seen someone else post it.



Snap Counts is the better way to look at things and I will compare Kings with a regular starter who played in all 16 games. Then also remember, those do not reflect how healthy the player was when actually taking snaps. I know King was playing injured a few of the games he suited up and attempted to play. By snap counts, in Kings first 2 years he has played in 33% of the snaps that an otherwise healthy starter would have played in.

So sure, as you said "he is a solid dude" when on the field, but when you can only play 1/3 the amount of time a healthy player can, you don't think that is a problem?

2017:

King: 380 snaps

Clinton-Dix: 1044


2018:

King: 304 snaps

Tramon Williams:1059

2019:

King: 41 snaps

Williams: 71

I'm not done with this, but I will concede for now due to the fact that I'll be away until sometime tomorrow and it wouldn't make a lot of sense to revisit this since people will have likely moved on from this subject. But heaven forbid something happens to Alexander, and King plays lights out, expect to hear from me.

I respect you and your opinion, and I wish I could go more into this but I probably won't be back until sometime tomorrow. Victory is yours.

 

[PackAttack12]

So Jaire was removed from the injury report and should be a full go on Sunday.

Bakhtiari and Hollman listed as questionable. Burks and Shepard have been ruled out.