Unpopular Opinion

[Mondio]

There’s 10 ****ing obvious reasons this offense is sputtering. And I do mean obvious. And you think it’s Philbin and MM making things difficult for Rodgers? LOL.

 

[XPack]

There’s 10 ******* obvious reasons this offense is sputtering. And I do mean obvious. And you think it’s Philbin and MM making things difficult for Rodgers? LOL.

3 Line men, 2 WRs, 1 QB, 1 TE and 1 coach. I can only think of 7 reasons

 

[AmishMafia]

Yes. That's the point. If he doesn't trust the offense then he's not going through his progressions as they are designed. Or, as you seem to be implying, you think Rodgers has just randomly become a worse QB for some unrelated reason.

Yes, of course. Watch him play. Its not just not seeing wide open WRs, it's making poor throws as well. Just because he has played great in the past, means he is still playing at that level.

The offense may be doing very well if AR was playing better. Dont make excuses for AR. Hold him accountable for how he is playing now. If he is having injury issues or trouble adapting to scheme changes, I dont know. But he is playing at a much lower level than he has in the past.

 

[swhitset]

Of course, because it can't get any worse, and there's no way but up.

That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve read in here in a long time... It can’t get any worse???? really?

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Yes, of course. Watch him play. Its not just not seeing wide open WRs, it's making poor throws as well. Just because he has played great in the past, means he is still playing at that level.

The offense may be doing very well if AR was playing better. Dont make excuses for AR. Hold him accountable for how he is playing now. If he is having injury issues or trouble adapting to scheme changes, I dont know. But he is playing at a much lower level than he has in the past.

To be fair, I think some of the softness on Rodgers from people including myself is the result of the Hundley effect. It's not a denial of his struggles, it's just feeling that this offense even while sputtering still has chances to win games. And there's no doubt that Hundley or Kizer even at their best are well below Rodgers at his worst.

As to his play, well the numbers may not say so but I feel like he was looking even more unsure of his throws and off target back in 2015 when we dropped off our 6-0 perch, and then in some games in 2016 before the run the table started. And remember, he wasn't trying to move on a brace back then.

 

[Phazael]

Not saying AR's play has not been ideal (he is hurt and coming off a season long injury from last year), but our play calling is so stale that our guys cannot get open most of the time. If my fat butt can, in a drunken haze, accurately predict the play being called for the first three series, you can bet actual D Coordinators can. That is coaching literally setting us up to fail. Most teams have had McDoofus figured out for a while, its just that AR is generally so sharp he outright beats the D on raw ability. When AR is not at his full ability, we see what has been going on lately.

 

[ShockwaveRider]

Maybe the reason we are not winning SBs is because of AR. When is the last time a QB woth a top 5 contract won a SB? Maybe it is ARs salary that holds the Packers back.

SHREEEEEEEK!!!!! THOU HAST BLASPHEMED!!!!!

So what we really ought to do is dump AR12 for a couple of draft picks and move forward with Deshone Kizer?

I'd dump the fat tub of lard McCarthy in a heartbeat rather than dump AR12s contract.

What is the head coach's primary function again? To get his team prepared to play on Sunday?

When is the last time we saw any evidence of THAT?

 

[AmishMafia]

SHREEEEEEEK!!!!! THOU HAST BLASPHEMED!!!!!

So what we really ought to do is dump AR12 for a couple of draft picks and move forward with Deshone Kizer?

I'd dump the fat tub of lard McCarthy in a heartbeat rather than dump AR12s contract.

What is the head coach's primary function again? To get his team prepared to play on Sunday?

When is the last time we saw any evidence of THAT?

Hmmmm, you are very perceptive and accurate in your obesity determination which is very supportive and relevant to that shrewd analysis of yours. You may have shown me the light. I may have to throw out my football knowledge and experience and re-evaluate the Packers struggles based on the weight of our HC.

 

[Half Empty]

PackfaninCarolina - there are several posts that don't yet have your red X - please keep up.

 

[brandon2348]

Green Bay Packers Mobile: How will the Packers fare over their next four games? https://nfl-mcp-download.storage.googleapis.com/pub/variant/267737.m3u8

JJ has the right idea

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

PackfaninCarolina - there are several posts that don't yet have your red X - please keep up.

And here I was thinking the funny marker was what offended people.

 

[weeds]

I may have to throw out my football knowledge and experience and re-evaluate the Packers struggles based on the weight of our HC.

Would you pass that salt shaker there please...you can just unscrew the cover...please and thank you..,

 

[HardRightEdge]

PackfaninCarolina - there are several posts that don't yet have your red X - please keep up.

I'm missing my "shadow" and his red X. Maybe I'll go bait him. Or maybe Packfan can fill in and hit a couple of mine. LMAO

 

[sschind]

Some perspective on Crosby seems warranted. I don’t have the numbers, but think he hit 80% last year and with the exception of one terrible season (2008 maybe?) he’s been one of the more reliable STs players. Yeah, he gets paid a lot to make those kicks, and Sunday was really, really weird, but I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I think he made 10 of 11 going into Sunday, so let’s not panic yet. But if you do want something to panic about, look no further than the Safeties and Edge Rushers. HHCD is not coming out of his 2017 funk, Perry is overpaid and overrated, and CMIII is getting up there in age for such a demanding position. Glute couldn’t fix everything this year, and likely got outbid for Mack’s services. These two groups have to improve if we’re to have a prayer of a split with the Rams and Pats, both on the road. I’m not throwing in the towel on 2018, yet. But the Niners game is suddenly a “must win”. Way too early to be in that situation.

It's not like he turned into a ****** kicker overnight. Maybe he is in a funk or maybe he just had a bad day. He has missed 5 FGs and I would rather see him miss 4 in one game than 1 in each of 5 games.


As far as the 49ers being a must win game I agree to the point that if they can't beat the 49ers there may very well be some serious problems but as far as being a must win for any sort of playoff hopes that is ridiculous. It is way to early for that

 

[sschind]

The only thing different about Crosby and other kickers is the team he plays for. If you work hard, be a team player, do what they ask, they will give you the benefit of the doubt. Most kickers don't get a chance to work thru what Crosby has been allowed to work thru. They never get the chance to miss that many I don't think Crosby is some magical kicker. I think he's been rather solid with a couple rough patches most noteably last sunday and then a few years ago. Whatever his stats say is what they say. But I don't remember too many times outside of those two times where I was thinking Crosby is just a bad kicker. He's mostly made what he should make. He's hit some big ones like in Dallas and missed some like against the Vikings this year.

Regardless of what he was or has been, he has to get kicking right quickly. Doesn't matter how hard you work if you're missing 5 kicks a game. That won't last long. The thing is, none of those kicks looked bad, they just missed. pretty much everything up to the point and even the ball in the air looked like a good kick, snap, hold, kick. Mostly smooth and flying right. Then left, then at an upright. Weird. He's been thru it before. he needs to figure it out quickly. that last kick he made in Detroit was probably one of the toughest he's ever had to kick and he nailed it. It's easy to do stuff when things are going great. Going back out there after missing 4 kicks and an PA attempt, that's rough mentally. I'm hoping it's a sign of things to come. We need him to make kicks and I'd rather not go looking now for a new one.

Young kickers without a track record get booted after bad games. Kickers like Crosby get a chance to work things out. How many people wanted him gone after the poor season a few years back and he did work through it and became a pretty reliable kicker. Now people say he is done after another bad game. Do you think the Patriots would dump Gostkowski if he missed 4 in a game? I doubt it. What about Tucker in Baltimore? I don't think so

 

[rmontro]

Of course, because it can't get any worse, and there's no way but up.

This would be the time when somebody points to the other teams in our division, and says "Well, at least we're not fans of (fill in name of NFC North team)". Unfortunately, we're looking more like we're all on fairly even ground lately.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Devante Adams drops too many balls.

Adams has four drops so far this season. While that isn't perfect by any means it's acceptable for a receiver on pace to break the franchise single season reception record.

How well do you think Mike McCarthy have done with a Blaine Gabbert or equivalent at QB? How many years do you think he would last?

It's possible Rodgers could have ended up like Gabbert if he would have been drafted by another team than the Packers and McCarthy developing him.

If my fat butt can, in a drunken haze, accurately predict the play being called for the first three series, you can bet actual D Coordinators can.

I guarantee that you aren't able to correctly predict most of the plays the Packers run on offense. Of course that doesn't prevent you from posting BS like that days after a game.

Do you think the Patriots would dump Gostkowski if he missed 4 in a game? I doubt it. What about Tucker in Baltimore? I don't think so

The difference being that Tucker and Gostkowski have been the best kickers in the league over an extended period of time while Crosby isn't even an average one.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Adams has four drops so far this season. While that isn't perfect by any means it's acceptable for a receiver on pace to break the franchise single season reception record.

Drops are one of the most subjective stats. I assume your 4 count on a limited sample for Adams comes from PFF. 4 on 55 targets, 7.3%, is not a horrible number nor a good one.

Alternatively, NBC Sports docks him for only 2 drops, a 3.6% drop rate which is very good, though I can't say where they get their numbers. Note they dock Thielen for 4 drops on 66 targets for 6.1% drop rate.

https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232

There are a lot of borderline calls in this subjective assessment.

For example, do you dock the receiver when he gets two hands on a short bullet thrown behind him? That adjustment is very difficult for anybody. Did a lineman get a finger ot two on a short to intermediate bullet redirecting the trajectory? That is an extremely difficult adjustment. I've seen plays, not necessarily with Adams, where that may have been the case but difficult to detect. One grader may say, "yes", and not dock the player whereas another may not have noticed it or said, "no, it doesn't matter". I've seen plays where the telecast commentators didn't notice a tip. Or in close coverage, did the defender get a finger on the ball or not? Did he bump an arm or hand? These are all debatable calls.

One thing I've noticed with Adams is the occasional bobble with an on-target, in-stride throw with separation. I don't recall him ever dropping one. In the Detroit game, there was a big bobble on the catch at 5:13 of the 2nd. quarter. There was another recent small bobble / catch in the red zone but I'm not going hunting for that.

If I were writing a scouting report on Adams (I guess I am), it would be the following:

• Exceptional suddenness and separation out of the break on short to intermediate routes normally seen in top waterbug slot receivers.
• Given his size and ability (though not elite) to high-point the ball, he can leave CBs betwixt and between in trying to react to either the inside break or the sideline back shoulder.
• Average hands among top 15 wideouts. Won't be confused with Fitzgerald or Brown in the hands department. Occasionally bobbles in trying to run before securing the catch. Smallish 9" hands among taller NFL receivers may be a factor.
  
• Suddenness in his breaks and exceptional spacial awareness makes him an elite inside route runner and red zone threat. He has a knack for picking the right angle on inside routes to find space and avoid contact at the ball. Perhaps paradoxically, his hands are exceptionally reliable in the danger zone. Money on the short slant. He also has a knack for getting down after the catch before taking punishment while running through a catch when there is space. That goes to spacial awareness as well.
• Average physicality. Will have difficulty rerouting off contact. The wins typically come on the break off the line or a clean break at the top of the route. Average in bringing in contested balls.
• Average long speed. Can win deep occasionally on the double move against single coverage. Might be passed over against CBs with elite recovery speed or a closing high safety.
• In summation, Adams is an elite short-to-intermediate possession receiver whose suddeness and double moves demands CB awareness of the deep throw option.

 

[sschind]

The difference being that Tucker and Gostkowski have been the best kickers in the league over an extended period of time while Crosby isn't even an average one.

We disagree on that one I guess. I agree on Tucker and Gostkowski being among the best but IMO Crosby has been has been a solid kicker for the Packers. When you consider the alternatives and the kicker carousel some teams go through I'm happy with Crosby overall. Sure you might find one better but how many worse ones do you have to go through before that happens. I think he has earned the chance to work through whatever problem he had last Sunday.

 

[sschind]

Drops are one of the most subjective stats. I assume your 4 count on a limited sample for Adams comes from PFF. 4 on 55 targets, 7.3%, is not a horrible number nor a good one.

Alternatively, NBC Sports docks him for only 2 drops, a 3.6% drop rate which is very good, though I can't say where they get their numbers. Note they dock Thielen for 4 drops on 66 targets for 6.1% drop rate.

https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232

There are a lot of borderline calls in this subjective assessment.

For example, do you dock the receiver when he gets two hands on a short bullet thrown behind him? That adjustment is very difficult for anybody. Did a lineman get a finger ot two on a short to intermediate bullet redirecting the trajectory? That is an extremely difficult adjustment. I've seen plays, not necessarily with Adams, where that may have been the case but difficult to detect. One grader may say, "yes", and not dock the player whereas another may not have noticed it or said, "no, it doesn't matter". I've seen plays where the telecast commentators didn't notice a tip. Or in close coverage, did the defender get a finger on the ball or not? Did he bump an arm or hand? These are all debatable calls.

One thing I've noticed with Adams is the occasional bobble with an on-target, in-stride throw with separation. I don't recall him ever dropping one. In the Detroit game, there was a big bobble on the catch at 5:13 of the 2nd. quarter. There was another recent small bobble / catch in the red zone but I'm not going hunting for that.

If I were writing a scouting report on Adams (I guess I am), it would be the following:

• Exceptional suddenness and separation out of the break on short to intermediate routes normally seen in top waterbug slot receivers.
• Given his size and ability (though not elite) to high-point the ball, he can leave CBs betwixt and between in trying to react to either the inside break or the sideline back shoulder.
• Average hands among top 15 wideouts. Won't be confused with Fitzgerald or Brown in the hands department. Occasionally bobbles in trying to run before securing the catch. Smallish 9" hands among taller NFL receivers may be a factor.
  
• Suddenness in his breaks and exceptional spacial awareness makes him an elite inside route runner and red zone threat. He has a knack for picking the right angle on inside routes to find space and avoid contact at the ball. Perhaps paradoxically, his hands are exceptionally reliable in the danger zone. Money on the short slant. He also has a knack for getting down after the catch before taking punishment while running through a catch when there is space. That goes to spacial awareness as well.
• Average physicality. Will have difficulty rerouting off contact. The wins typically come on the break off the line or a clean break at the top of the route. Average in bringing in contested balls.
• Average long speed. Can win deep occasionally on the double move against single coverage. Might be passed over against CBs with elite recovery speed or a closing high safety.
• In summation, Adams is an elite short-to-intermediate possession receiver whose suddeness and double moves demands CB awareness of the deep throw option.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, drops are one of the most over rated stats. 7.6% is not bad or not good but 3.6 is very good and at this point its the difference of 2 drops. 2 drops over 5 games separates a pretty good rate from a meh rate. That's not a big deal IMO

 

[RRyder]

Drops are one of the most subjective stats. I assume your 4 count on a limited sample for Adams comes from PFF. 4 on 55 targets, 7.3%, is not a horrible number nor a good one.

Alternatively, NBC Sports docks him for only 2 drops, a 3.6% drop rate which is very good, though I can't say where they get their numbers. Note they dock Thielen for 4 drops on 66 targets for 6.1% drop rate.

https://scores.nbcsports.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232

There are a lot of borderline calls in this subjective assessment.

For example, do you dock the receiver when he gets two hands on a short bullet thrown behind him? That adjustment is very difficult for anybody. Did a lineman get a finger ot two on a short to intermediate bullet redirecting the trajectory? That is an extremely difficult adjustment. I've seen plays, not necessarily with Adams, where that may have been the case but difficult to detect. One grader may say, "yes", and not dock the player whereas another may not have noticed it or said, "no, it doesn't matter". I've seen plays where the telecast commentators didn't notice a tip. Or in close coverage, did the defender get a finger on the ball or not? Did he bump an arm or hand? These are all debatable calls.

One thing I've noticed with Adams is the occasional bobble with an on-target, in-stride throw with separation. I don't recall him ever dropping one. In the Detroit game, there was a big bobble on the catch at 5:13 of the 2nd. quarter. There was another recent small bobble / catch in the red zone but I'm not going hunting for that.

If I were writing a scouting report on Adams (I guess I am), it would be the following:

• Exceptional suddenness and separation out of the break on short to intermediate routes normally seen in top waterbug slot receivers.
• Given his size and ability (though not elite) to high-point the ball, he can leave CBs betwixt and between in trying to react to either the inside break or the sideline back shoulder.
• Average hands among top 15 wideouts. Won't be confused with Fitzgerald or Brown in the hands department. Occasionally bobbles in trying to run before securing the catch. Smallish 9" hands among taller NFL receivers may be a factor.
  
• Suddenness in his breaks and exceptional spacial awareness makes him an elite inside route runner and red zone threat. He has a knack for picking the right angle on inside routes to find space and avoid contact at the ball. Perhaps paradoxically, his hands are exceptionally reliable in the danger zone. Money on the short slant. He also has a knack for getting down after the catch before taking punishment while running through a catch when there is space. That goes to spacial awareness as well.
• Average physicality. Will have difficulty rerouting off contact. The wins typically come on the break off the line or a clean break at the top of the route. Average in bringing in contested balls.
• Average long speed. Can win deep occasionally on the double move against single coverage. Might be passed over against CBs with elite recovery speed or a closing high safety.
• In summation, Adams is an elite short-to-intermediate possession receiver whose suddeness and double moves demands CB awareness of the deep throw option.

Not a bad breakdown on Adams. Could very easily have replaced "Adams" with "Jennings" during his prime with a similar breakdown also

 

[Poppa San]

This was supposed to be an optimists thread. We don't need another doom & gloom thread.