Tree trunks for legs.

[GreenBaySlacker]

So apparently the rookie rb is impressing everyone with his stature. I lol'd at a retweet...

Jones: I'm the starting running back.

Dillon: No I'm the starting running back.

Jones: yes sir ...

Lmao.

 

[GreenNGold_81]

Glad he's on our side. Dude is massive.

 

[weeds]

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[PikeBadger]

Our 3rd and 2 answer hopefully.

 

[tynimiller]

Our 3rd and 2 answer hopefully.

Right. I wouldn't have taken him when we did as I've expressed, but a dude of his build SHOULD NOT be able to be as fluid as he is.

 

[Mondio]

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I can use one of my long standing sayings ,”maybe he should go see a vet, his calves are sick”

there is my contribution to the adornment of Dillion’s legs that is sweeping America.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Our 3rd and 2 answer hopefully.

Here are the short yardage conversion stats for 2019 including playoffs:

3rd. and 2 - 14 snaps

6 of 8 converted passing
1 of 2 converted rushing
1 incompletion converted by defensive holding
2 converted passes nullified by offensive pass interference penalties (both Lazard)
1 no-play false start

3rd. and goal from the 2 yard line - 1 snap

Only one play, an incomplete pass

3rd. and 1 - 16 snaps

7 of 9 converted rushing
3 of 5 converted passing
2 no-play false starts

3rd. and goal from the 1 yard line - 4 snaps

2 of 2 converted rushing
0 of 1 converted passing
1 no-play defensive neutral zone infraction

Observations

• The number of instances is pretty small, 35 total plays, 28 that did not involve penalties or about 1.5 per game, a small sample size.
• The Packers did well rushing, 10 of 13 rushes converted on non-penalty plays
• The Packers passing was not great, not terrible. 9 of 15 conversions on non-penalty passes. 2 completed passes were nullified by penalty, another was completed where the receiver did not get to the first down marker, another yielded a first down on a defensive pass interference call. You might say Rodgers did his job on 13 of 19.
• All told, of non-penalty plays 20 of 28 converted, 71%. Not a lot left on the table.
• Where improvement is needed is in the matter of penalties: 5 on 35 snaps taking you out of short yardage is poor. Once again, penalties are among the most overlooked stats in football.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Here are the short yardage conversion stats for 2019 including playoffs:

3rd. and 2 - 14 snaps

6 of 8 converted passing
1 of 2 converted rushing
1 incompletion converted by defensive holding
2 converted passes nullified by offensive pass interference penalties (both Lazard)
1 no-play false start

3rd. and goal from the 2 yard line - 1 snap

Only one play, an incomplete pass

3rd. and 1 - 16 snaps

7 of 9 converted rushing
3 of 5 converted passing
2 no-play false starts

3rd. and goal from the 1 yard line - 4 snaps

2 of 2 converted rushing
0 of 1 converted passing
1 no-play defensive neutral zone infraction

Observations

• The number of instances is pretty small, 35 total plays, 28 that did not involve penalties or about 1.5 per game, a small sample size.
• The Packers did well rushing, 10 of 13 rushes converted on non-penalty plays
• The Packers passing was not great, not terrible. 9 of 15 conversions on non-penalty passes. 2 completed passes were nullified by penalty, another was completed where the receiver did not get to the first down marker, another yielded a first down on a defensive pass interference call. You might say Rodgers did his job on 13 of 19.
• All told, of non-penalty plays 20 of 28 converted, 71%. Not a lot left on the table.
• Where improvement is needed is in the matter of penalties: 5 on 35 snaps taking you out of short yardage is poor. Once again, penalties are among the most overlooked stats in football.

I'm not sure where you've got the numbers from but according to this table the Packers could need improvement in the area:

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[weeds]

Stats are numbers ... all I know is that I wouldn't want to be a MLB meeting that freight train head on. What do his turnover numbers look like? Anyone?

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

I'm tired of this talk already.

Let's hope he's not another "Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" type.

 

[Mondio]

I didn’t get the impression he plays like Jane. He played for a lesser program and pounded the ball a lot and held up.

I think we may have a quality pounding RB on our hands, something we haven’t had since a young Lacy and only briefly. I’m not comparing the two in style but both can run and punish. Our offense needs that.

 

[tynimiller]

I'm tired of this talk already.

Let's hope he's not another "Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" type.

If you watch his play, Jane is the LAST thing you come back with.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I'm not sure where you've got the numbers from but according to this table the Packers could need improvement in the area:

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I too used Pro Football Reference's play finder. I ran 4 queries, one for each situation, Packers only so as to get the play breakdown. I did not include 4th. down. I don't know if your query includes goal to go. I'm confident of my accuracy.

 

[PikeBadger]

I like the idea of having a good reliable pounder as a weapon for short yardage. In a heavier run ratio offense (approaching 50-50?) this year, each first down is critical and the defense benefits as well by playing less snaps. That said, defensively, I crave the three and out. It, as well as turnovers improves field position for the offense and that is always good.

 

[HardRightEdge]

In a heavier run ratio offense (approaching 50-50?) this year....

If by that you mean RBs carrying the ball on half the plays, 500+, It won't get anywhere close to that. Scrambles don't count.

 

[lambeaulambo]

Need to get him some tear away jerseys so he can do the Earl Campbell...lol

 

[tynimiller]

Need to get him some tear away jerseys so he can do the Earl Campbell...lol

To be honest, I'm shocked they had shorts that fit those things....

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I too used Pro Football Reference's play finder. I ran 4 queries, one for each situation, Packers only so as to get the play breakdown. I did not include 4th. down. I don't know if your query includes goal to go. I'm confident of my accuracy.

I can only find a total of 26 plays for the Packers on third and two or less yards to go from last season (including the ones inside the opposing two yard line):

https://tinyurl.com/y5nxubud

In a heavier run ratio offense (approaching 50-50?) this year, each first down is critical and the defense benefits as well by playing less snaps.

I highly doubt the Packers will come close to running the ball of 50% of the plays.

 

[Mondio]

To be honest, I'm shocked they had shorts that fit those things....

My wife often makes similar comments about my skivvies...

 

[tynimiller]

My wife often makes similar comments about my skivvies...

You got fat legs?? LOL

 

[Mondio]

You got fat legs?? LOL

in a manner of speaking, or at least I like to convince myself of that anyway

 

[PikeBadger]

If by that you mean RBs carrying the ball on half the plays, 500+, It won't get anywhere close to that. Scrambles don't count.

Depends on tempo they employ normally of course but I was thinking along the lines of 32 pass, 28 run and yes I would include scrambles of which I’d think would be around to 2 or 3 a game at this point in Rodgers career. Depends on OLine though. I saw a lot of good running lanes last year but the line makeup is going to be at least 20% different.

 

[PikeBadger]

I can only find a total of 26 plays for the Packers on third and two or less yards to go from last season (including the ones inside the opposing two yard line):

https://tinyurl.com/y5nxubud



I highly doubt the Packers will come close to running the ball of 50% of the plays.

What was the ratio last year?

 

[HardRightEdge]

Depends on tempo they employ normally of course but I was thinking along the lines of 32 pass, 28 run and yes I would include scrambles of which I’d think would be around to 2 or 3 a game at this point in Rodgers career. Depends on OLine though. I saw a lot of good running lanes last year but the line makeup is going to be at least 20% different.

I wouldn't count kneel downs either. Scrambles are pass plays, kneel downs distort running stats, and Rodgers was good for about 3 per game combined last year.

If we take your split and knock it down one snap to 59 for a no-play kneel down, move 2.5 scramble snaps from the run play column to the pass play column, you get a breakdown of:

34.5 of 59 = 58.5% pass plays
24.5 of 59 = 40.5% run plays

I might quibble with that a little bit but it looks about right for what I'd expect. Of course that assumes the team is winning or tied in the 4th. quarter on a regular basis.

I'm seeing 1078 snaps for Rodgers and Boyle combined last season for 16 games, 67 per game. On that basis, throw out a generous 20 kneeldowns and you've got QBs dropping back to pass 620 times over the course of the season.

I'm afraid when some folks say they expect a 50/50 run/pass split they envision handing off to running backs for half the total play count with a mess of TEs on the field half the time to facilitate that. That ain't gonna happen, not even close.

 

[PikeBadger]

67 play average last year. If we run a higher percentage this year, that number should fall into the low 60’s. Hard to predict because it also is dependent on how our defense plays this year. I can see us averaging close to 30 runs a game especially if we get 4th quarter multiple possession leads often. Perhaps rose colored glasses on my part. Majority of NFL games are still decided by TD or less.

In light of what I’ve seen in the draft and heard from coach, I’m expecting an upward tick on the run side. How close to 50-50 it gets is just a guess but I still think it’s going upwards approaching 50% more than 40%. If Lane Taylor starts at RG this year, that’s another hint imo.