Tree trunks for legs.

[Poppa San]

If you watch his play, Jane is the LAST thing you come back with.

Come hell or high water I'm coming back with Jane.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

What was the ratio last year?

The Packers threw the ball on 59.8% of the offensive plays last season. That number would increase when eliminating scrambles and kneel downs from consideration though.

67 play average last year. If we run a higher percentage this year, that number should fall into the low 60’s.

The Packers ran an average of 63.8 plays in a game on offense last season. You definitely want that number to increase instead of it dropping.

 

[Poppa San]

The Packers ran an average of 63.8 plays in a game on offense last season. You definitely want that number to increase instead of it dropping.

A twelve play drive of mostly runs can chew up half a quarter. Twelve play drives of mostly passes are the two minute offense. Running more will not really add to the total plays on offense. I'd hope the time of possession goes up about 10%.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Right. I wouldn't have taken him when we did as I've expressed, but a dude of his build SHOULD NOT be able to be as fluid as he is.

Yeah his combine numbers are stunning, especially his speed and vertical. Guys built like that shouldn't be able to run that fast or jump that high.

 

[Heyjoe4]

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Amazing that his waist is so narrow. What a difference from Lacy.

 

[tynimiller]

Yeah his combine numbers are stunning, especially his speed and vertical. Guys built like that shouldn't be able to run that fast or jump that high.

If he continues to shine in the hands department has some have expressed he is...watch out, this young man could be the insurance Gute and MLF need to save some costly money in Aaron Jones negotiations.

 

[PikeBadger]

The Packers threw the ball on 59.8% of the offensive plays last season. That number would increase when eliminating scrambles and kneel downs from consideration though.



The Packers ran an average of 63.8 plays in a game on offense last season. You definitely want that number to increase instead of it dropping.

Not necessarily. Running plays generally eat more clock time than passing plays, again, depending on the tempo of the offense.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Right. I wouldn't have taken him when we did as I've expressed, but a dude of his build SHOULD NOT be able to be as fluid as he is.

The question is whether he has the patience, vision and twitch for the NFL level. I've seen him fluidly run right up the back of his blockers, and that's in the highlight tapes.

He's not going to have a lot of success just running over NFL defenders or his own guys for that matter. In this offense in particular with a zone blocking scheme, the object is to get to the hole wherever the zone blockers are able to make it, or twitch to the outside or cut back against the flow if a hole does not materialize. The object is to get to the second level after little or no contact, no matter how big a guy's legs might be.

 

[gopkrs]

If he continues to shine in the hands department has some have expressed he is...watch out, this young man could be the insurance Gute and MLF need to save some costly money in Aaron Jones negotiations.

Jones and AJ are like salt and pepper. I was thinking Aaron as the salt.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

A twelve play drive of mostly runs can chew up half a quarter. Twelve play drives of mostly passes are the two minute offense. Running more will not really add to the total plays on offense. I'd hope the time of possession goes up about 10%.

A successful passing offense (aside of a hurry up mode) will result in an increased time of possession as well. It's the incompletions that stop the clock.

In general more plays run on offense is something to aim for.

If he continues to shine in the hands department has some have expressed he is...watch out, this young man could be the insurance Gute and MLF need to save some costly money in Aaron Jones negotiations.

Well, I guess that was the plan all along. If the Packers have to re-sign Jones because Dillon doesn't live up to expectations that should be considered a failure.

Not necessarily. Running plays generally eat more clock time than passing plays, again, depending on the tempo of the offense.

A complete pass results in the same amount of time being chewed off the clock than a run.

 

[Mondio]

A complete pass results in the same amount of time being chewed off the clock than a run.

yes, but he said "generally" and the thing with passing or running, the clock runs after every cleanly run running play and the clock will stop around 40% (give or take a few percentage points) of the time on a cleanly run passing play.

 

[PikeBadger]

yes, but he said "generally" and the thing with passing or running, the clock runs after every cleanly run running play and the clock will stop around 40% (give or take a few percentage points) of the time on a cleanly run passing play.

Also, In today’s game, passing centric offenses tend to be more up tempo than an offense that runs the ball more. More time off the clock between plays. Even if we see more of a running emphasis this year, I still like to see them run a complete drive once a half that is essentially a two minute drill but not in 2 minute situation. I think it would keep defenses on their heels and the offense upbeat and interesting for the players. Rodgers I’m sure would enjoy it.

 

[Mondio]

Also, In today’s game, passing centric offenses tend to be more up tempo than an offense that runs the ball more. More time off the clock between plays. Even if we see more of a running emphasis this year, I still like to see them run a complete drive once a half that is essentially a two minute drill but not in 2 minute situation. I think it would keep defenses on their heels and the offense upbeat and interesting for the players. Rodgers I’m sure would enjoy it.

Lots of ways to run an offense and after last year ours didn’t have any real identity.

I liked when Rodgers would just get up to the line and defenses were just reeling. Bam bam bam right down the field. I don’t think others had knowledge of the offense or situational football to make that work. We’ll see if they’re better this year or not.

we also weren’t a pounding team, seemed they were searching for identity all year. To their credit they just found ways to get it done and made plays when it counted most times.

however they play offense, I’d like to see more consistency in terms of production play to play.

 

[gopkrs]

I just re-watched the 1st half of the 9er game for the second time and although the run D was horrible; those first two turnovers killed us and probably were the cause of the third. Especially the one where Lindsley hiked the ball to his own butt. A few times we were stopped (and one resulted in a 20 yard punt). But Rodgers was 8 for 8 and we were running the ball. We actually could have been in that game at halftime. imho

 

[PikeBadger]

I just re-watched the 1st half of the 9er game for the second time and although the run D was horrible; those first two turnovers killed us and probably were the cause of the third. Especially the one where Lindsley hiked the ball to his own butt. A few times we were stopped (and one resulted in a 20 yard punt). But Rodgers was 8 for 8 and we were running the ball. We actually could have been in that game at halftime. imho

Entirely different game without the turnovers imo too. We were able to effectively move the ball. The turnovers killed the offensive momentum and rythym we were in.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

yes, but he said "generally" and the thing with passing or running, the clock runs after every cleanly run running play and the clock will stop around 40% (give or take a few percentage points) of the time on a cleanly run passing play.

That's true but doesn't reveal anything about the success of a run play.

Also, In today’s game, passing centric offenses tend to be more up tempo than an offense that runs the ball more. More time off the clock between plays.

The Packers were one of the slowest teams to snap the ball last season, something that definitely needs to be improved this year.

 

[HardRightEdge]

We should not overlook pass blocking. I don't think BC asked Dillon to do much of that while NFL defenses look quite a bit different. Here are a couple of notes from cheeseheadtv.com:

"Dillon with a complete whiff in the pass pro drill. Nagler"

"Great blitz pick-up by Williams on the final play. Nagler [thinking J. Williams, not Dexter]"

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/packers-practice-round-up-day-5-august-20-2020-449

I wouldn't make too much out of that first play, just one play, but it bears watching. The second play is what we've come to expect. Dillon wouldn't be the first running back starting out at square one in pass blocking. Not getting up to serviceable is the kind of thing that loses a guy snaps. It is illegal to trip a pass rusher with a tree trunk, so rule that out.

 

[tynimiller]

How dare you even mention an observation from a practice. How dumb of a comment...I mean to already be making assumptions or predictions of Dillon based off of a practice is the most illogical thing I've ever read on this entire forum....

....oh wait, you aren't making any declarations merely sharing for those that may have missed the observations....got it.

 

[PikeBadger]

Pass blocking is generally an acquired skill for most RB’s coming out of college. Jamaal Williams sure picked it up quickly. He’s one of the best I’ve ever seen at it in Green Bay.

 

[gopkrs]

Aaron Jones gives it his all. And does a good job at it.

 

[HardRightEdge]

How dare you even mention an observation from a practice. How dumb of a comment...I mean to already be making assumptions or predictions of Dillon based off of a practice is the most illogical thing I've ever read on this entire forum....

....oh wait, you aren't making any declarations merely sharing for those that may have missed the observations....got it.

To a large extent it is a war of attrition. A second stringer making a play against a third stringer in non-contact or contact-lite drills doesn't mean much. A second stringer blowing a play against a thrid stringer in such drills might tell you a little more.

Getting a pick against Rodgers, for example, doesn't mean much. That's happened a lot in the past in the early stages of camp. Rodgers is trying out stuff, maybe seeing what a receiver can do on a particular throw. Other guys secure in their position are going to be protecting themselves, not going full bore. Somebody competing for a job may flash against a half effort.

The guy who makes an excessive number of mistakes to go with flashy plays is likely to get beat out by a steady Eddie who doesn't flash much but shows consistently he knows what he's doing.

You may hear nothing about a guy. Take Savage for example. I haven't seen his name come up at all, flashy or otherwise up through last week. I have not checked what happened today. I presume he's out there getting his reps. I'm gonna think he's steady Eddie-ing his way through camp. There are other guys we've heard nothing much about. I haven't seen comments on Deguara either way. Is he a competing steady Eddie getting reps with the big boys or just playing third team that nobody's watching that close.

In this war of attrition among guys battling for position on the depth chart or just getting on the roster, I'd put more weight on screw ups than flash plays.

In past camps, before preseason got underway where we could actually see something, the most relevant thing was who's getting the most reps with the first team as things move along. At least you'd know who they think might fit the bill. It could be a test and if you start hearing about mistakes the test might turn into a bust; if you hear nothing he might be your guy. That stuff, who's playing with whom, depth chart reporting, is now banned from being reported, so take that into account.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Pass blocking is generally an acquired skill for most RB’s coming out of college. Jamaal Williams sure picked it up quickly. He’s one of the best I’ve ever seen at it in Green Bay.

Actually, he's about as good at it as you'll see anywhere now and he was pretty good right out of the box.

Aaron Jones gives it his all. And does a good job at it.

He struggled with it as a rookie but has gradually improved to being decent at it, especially for a 5'9" guy.

If Dillon struggles with it he'll lose those snaps.

I don't think anybody should be all that surpirsed if Love, Dillon and Deguara are 3rd. on the depth chart at week 1, getting limited snaps in certain sets. Short camp, no preseason, cutdown to 53 in 12 days, then into week 1 game planning. That's bound to put a slow in their roll.

 

[PikeBadger]

Actually, he's about as good at it as you'll see anywhere now and he was pretty good right out of the box.

He struggled with it as a rookie but has gradually improved to being decent at it, especially for a 5'9" guy.

If Dillon struggles with it he'll lose those snaps.

I don't think anybody should be all that surpirsed if Love, Dillon and Deguara are 3rd. on the depth chart at week 1, getting limited snaps in certain sets. Short camp, no preseason, cutdown to 53 in 12 days, then into week 1 game planning. That's bound to put a slow in their roll.

I think it’s logical to expect that the first month of the season we will not see as much game action from the rookies as Green Bay has trAditionally worked rookies in gradually as the season progresses and injuries mount.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Glad he's on our side. Dude is massive.

He's what Eddie Lacy should have been.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

How dare you even mention an observation from a practice. How dumb of a comment...I mean to already be making assumptions or predictions of Dillon based off of a practice is the most illogical thing I've ever read on this entire forum....

....oh wait, you aren't making any declarations merely sharing for those that may have missed the observations....got it.

It's hilarious that you think you're so smart that you can't stop making fun of other posters for advicing you to not put too much stock into reports from practice yet agree with a different poster telling you exactly the same thing.