Trade Deadline Targets

[Dantés]

Ok well scratch that haha. I thought both guys have 1 year left??

They got extensions.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

They got extensions.

Is that what is hanging out of the helmets?

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[Pkrjones]

Once again, the Packers don't have the cap space necessary to trade for Jones.

AZ's offense could use a short-range target to help Rosen get rid of the ball sooner... would Cobb & a pick (3rd rounder?) be enough for Chandler Jones? Jones has $19Mil cap hit next few years but with Cobb (& Matthews next year) off of the books might be manageable.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

AZ's offense could use a short-range target to help Rosen get rid of the ball sooner... would Cobb & a pick (3rd rounder?) be enough for Chandler Jones? Jones has $19Mil cap hit next few years but with Cobb (& Matthews next year) off of the books might be manageable.

Jones would count $7.35 million towards the cap for the rest of the season. The Packers releasing a player on a rookie minimum deal would free up $280K in 2018 which would put the team approximately $200K over the cap.

Therefore trading Cobb to the Cardinals would be more than enough to create the cap space necessary to acquire Jones. I highly doubt Arizona would be interested in him though.

As a side note Jones would count an average of $16 million towards the Packers cap from 2019-21 as the Cardinals would be on the hook for the remaining prorated portion of the signing bonus.

 

[Dantés]

Trading for a guy like Jones would necessitate cutting Matthews', no? Or is his salary now guaranteed for the rest of the season?

 

[gbgary]

Trading for a guy like Jones would necessitate cutting Matthews', no? Or is his salary now guaranteed for the rest of the season?

whatever there plan was had they got Mack they'd do in this case. who knows what it was. just know it's doable.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Trading for a guy like Jones would necessitate cutting Matthews', no? Or is his salary now guaranteed for the rest of the season?

His Salary is guaranteed. Maybe I have this wrong, but the only way the Packers can clear the books of his salary or any player for that matter, is to trade them. The Packers are still on the hook for any guarantees or bonuses, but the balance of the base salary is picked up by the other team.

That all being said, I don't get why any team, especially a non-contender, would want to trade for guys like Cobb, Matthews or Dix, all 3 are in the final years of their contracts.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Hopefully, Gute surprises us, but this may be the "biggest" news we hear coming out of Green Bay as the trade deadline draws near.

https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/Article/Packers-sign-Danny-Vitale-123662668/

 

[Pkrjones]

His Salary is guaranteed. Maybe I have this wrong, but the only way the Packers can clear the books of his salary or any player for that matter, is to trade them. The Packers are still on the hook for any guarantees or bonuses, but the balance of the base salary is picked up by the other team.

That all being said, I don't get why any team, especially a non-contender, would want to trade for guys like Cobb, Matthews or Dix, all 3 are in the final years of their contracts.

Short term receiver help for your rookie QB, a draft pick, and a vet that is off the books in '19 if so desired are the only positives I can fathom. Not doing an obvious tank-job like Oakland but slightly helping the rebuild (pick & cap space).

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Joseph has been a major disappointment since being drafted by the Raiders in the first round in 2016. The Packers shouldn't be interested in him.

He's been a major disappointment to people with unreasonable expectations. He's in his third year and he's already MUCH better than Brice. He's not going to cost a first-rounder to trade for but he would be a MAJOR upgrade at safety for a team that has some serious long-term issues at the position.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I’m at a point now where I’d rather them keep the two #1’s and build off these moves.

Landon Collins replaces HAHA
Taylor Lewan replaces Bryan Bulaga at RT
Muhammad Wilkerson resigned
Brandon Cooks- An actual deep threat

Draft picks : 1st two Rounds:
1st Rd. Packers trade Both picks in the first, and Dashawn Kizer to the New York Giants to
Move up and take Nick Bosa DE/OLB -Ohio State

2nd Rd. Beau Benzschwabel OG-Wisconsin

It probably won’t happen like this..but man this roster looks great all of a sudden.

There is no possible way that two (hopefully) late first round picks will be enough to move into the top-5 where Bosa will go. Also, do you know something about Landon Collins being available? It would seem odd for the Giants to let one of their best young players just leave the team.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I would prefer Gutekunst to spend the cap space on a position in more dire need of improvement. Edge rusher and free safety come to my mind.

And this is why I'm fine overpaying $2 million a year for HHCD. Rather than looking for two safeties in the offseason you'll be in position to only need one; and I guarantee you're not saving any money on the cap if you're signing two decent free agent safeties.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

He's been a major disappointment to people with unreasonable expectations. He's in his third year and he's already MUCH better than Brice. He's not going to cost a first-rounder to trade for but he would be a MAJOR upgrade at safety for a team that has some serious long-term issues at the position.

I agree and I mentioned trading for Joseph last week. This could be the kind of player that you don't have to swing to the fences to obtain, but could end up being a valuable player in the future. Obviously, if the Raiders want a 1st-3rd rounder for him, forget about it, but a mid to late round pick, I would be all over that to improve the defense this year and beyond.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Well, since the Saints just gave up only a 4th rounder for Giant's CB Eli Apple, I would imagine it wouldn't take too much more (if more is even needed) to get Joseph. Apple is a young (only 23), former first-round corner which is a more valuable position. There's no reason (other than not asking or Oakland deciding to ignore the market) to not be able to offer less than a 4th round pick to get Joseph. I mean, you can't tell me the Packers would have a better chance of drafting a better player in the 4th round or lower.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I
Draft picks : 1st two Rounds:
1st Rd. Packers trade Both picks in the first, and Dashawn Kizer to the New York Giants to
Move up and take Nick Bosa DE/OLB -Ohio State.

Acording to the Jimmy Johnson chart, a 15th. and a 30th. would get you a bit shy of the 5th. pick. A 10th. and a 20th. would get you a little shy of the 3rd. pick. Kizer has minimal trade value.

An the instances where teams pay meaningfully more than the Johnson chart indicates are typicially in trading up for top 5 picks.

I do not have an opinion on Bosa at this juncture.

 

[elcid]

Well, since the Saints just gave up only a 4th rounder for Giant's CB Eli Apple, I would imagine it wouldn't take too much more (if more is even needed) to get Joseph. Apple is a young (only 23), former first-round corner which is a more valuable position. There's no reason (other than not asking or Oakland deciding to ignore the market) to not be able to offer less than a 4th round pick to get Joseph. I mean, you can't tell me the Packers would have a better chance of drafting a better player in the 4th round or lower.

I completely agree. After the third round, really hitting on a pick rarely happens. Use the last rounds to shore up depth next year, but regard our fourth and fifth rounders as trade chip for now. How many of those do we got in next year's draft? I'd really want the Pack to search far and wide to offer these picks to an organisation with a misused or unneeded edge rusher preferably. O-line, S, or another weapon for Rodgers works too. Cobb is surely going to be gone next year and I for one am not completely sold yet on the idea of Adams - Allison - Valdes-Scantling starting

 

[HardRightEdge]

Trading for a guy like Jones would necessitate cutting Matthews', no? Or is his salary now guaranteed for the rest of the season?

Vested vet (at least 4 seasons of service) salaries for the season are guaranteed at opening day. So, yeah, you'd have to pay Matthews his full base salary for this season if you cut him.

Further, and more importantly, you'd have to deal with Jones' $16.5 mil in cap cost in 2019 and equally big numbers in 2020 and 2021 as well.

To belabor the point, Jones would take the current cap cost for players under contract for 2019 to up to $167 mil not including any of these players:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/green-bay-packers/

The only good thing I could say about taking on Jones contract is the dead cap allocated to the Packers drops to zero in 2020.

 

[Dantés]

Vested vet (at least 4 seasons of service) salaries for the season are guaranteed at opening day. So, yeah, you'd have to pay Matthews his full base salary for this season if you cut him.

Further, and more importantly, you'd have to deal with Jones' $16.5 mil in cap cost in 2019 and equally big numbers in 2020 and 2021 as well.

To belabor the point, Jones would take the current cap cost for players under contract for 2019 to up to $167 mil not including any of these players:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/green-bay-packers/

The only good thing I could say about taking on Jones contract is the dead cap allocated to the Packers drops to zero in 2020.

Thanks.

The other good thing one could say about taking on Jones' contract is that you get a fantastic edge rusher for your money, but yeah-- he's on a pretty big deal.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

That all being said, I don't get why any team, especially a non-contender, would want to trade for guys like Cobb, Matthews or Dix, all 3 are in the final years of their contracts.

In addition Cobb and Matthews haven't performed at a decent level in recent years.

He's been a major disappointment to people with unreasonable expectations. He's in his third year and he's already MUCH better than Brice. He's not going to cost a first-rounder to trade for but he would be a MAJOR upgrade at safety for a team that has some serious long-term issues at the position.

Joseph was the 14th overall pick, it was realistic to expect him to have a bigger impact during his first 2 1/2 seasons in the league. While he might present an upgrade over Brice it's definitely not a major one, especially considering he has been able to play only a total of 11 snaps so far this season and is currently sidelined by a hmastring injury.

And this is why I'm fine overpaying $2 million a year for HHCD. Rather than looking for two safeties in the offseason you'll be in position to only need one; and I guarantee you're not saving any money on the cap if you're signing two decent free agent safeties.

The Packers will most likely need a free safety capable of lining up single high anyways even by re-signing Clinton-Dix. They might be fine at strong safety without overpaying for HHCD as well though.

 

[thequick12]

And this is why I'm fine overpaying $2 million a year for HHCD. Rather than looking for two safeties in the offseason you'll be in position to only need one; and I guarantee you're not saving any money on the cap if you're signing two decent free agent safeties.

Worst idea of all time. No way you can overpay for Dix, only way he's back is if safety market is terrible like it was for Morgan burnett and many others this year. The Packers need to find out if Jones can be a starting NFL strong safety. If used right and by that I mean in the box mainly I think he can be a play maker.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The Lions have acquired DL Damon Harrison from the Giants. That will definitely improve their run defense.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The Lions have acquired DL Damon Harrison from the Giants. That will definitely improve their run defense.

Not that I would have wanted Gute to make this trade for "Snacks", but these are the types of moves I wouldn't mind seeing done right now. Some teams are in Fire Sale mode and if the player and price are right, I wouldn't mind seeing the Packers trade away 1 or 2 later round picks for a guy who could help the team this year and beyond.

The Packers won't be eligible to receive any compensatory picks this year, so that would leave them with 9 picks to play with, 2 picks in Rounds 1 (from Saints) and 6 (Hundley trade with Seattle).

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Worst idea of all time. No way you can overpay for Dix, only way he's back is if safety market is terrible like it was for Morgan burnett and many others this year. The Packers need to find out if Jones can be a starting NFL strong safety. If used right and by that I mean in the box mainly I think he can be a play maker.

Great, much better idea to save $3m on the cap for a backup linebacker! If Jones isn't starting then the Packers have already determined if he can be a starter; maybe that changes next year but if he can't beat out Brice then I doubt it.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

The Packers will most likely need a free safety capable of lining up single high anyways even by re-signing Clinton-Dix. They might be fine at strong safety without overpaying for HHCD as well though.

HHCD has been pretty good in coverage this year (4th highest coverage grade among safeties by PFF). Let HHCD play safety behind some corners that the DC trusts (doubt the team fully trusts King, Jackson, or Alexander yet) and he'd probably be a very good free safety. If you let HHCD walk, you save $3m (just a guess, obviously I have no actual knowledge of the future) and need to find a starting free safety, a starting strong safety, and a pass rush...or you could spend $3m and only need a starting strong safety (the cheaper safety position) and a pass rush. That extra $3m isn't going to be the difference between signing an elite pass rusher and not signing an elite pass rusher but the extra draft pick might be the difference between finding a guy and not finding a guy.

 

[pizzle]

Gute needs to be on the phone with JAX offering them Deshone Kizer and a 3rd for Dante Fowler Jr. They guy can get pressure with speed (watch HOU game) and has put up some numbers to consider (check last year's sack totals) despite not being a full-time starter for the Jags. He wouldn't solve everything by himself but could be a piece that gives us just enough to actually improve the defense. The move makes sense for JAX due to their QB situation/possible locker room internal issues.