Trade Deadline Targets

[rodell330]

Packers look real dumb not getting Eric Reed. He’s already made more plays in 2 games than Brice has made all season. That was a bad choice not to at least bring him in smh. Sometimes I don’t think this franchise is willing to do whatever it takes to win
More SB’s. That signing would’ve at least solved one major issue on the defense.

Now will they be aggressive and make a move at the deadline for an edge rusher? Oliver Vernon? Chandler Jones? Brian Orakpo? Or will Gute take the TT approach and just sit on his hands and watch? Content on being mediocre

 

[Mondio]

Tell us how we get Chandler Jones. I want to see how well you’ve thought out anything you said.

 

[Dantés]

Packers look real dumb not getting Eric Reed. He’s already made more plays in 2 games than Brice has made all season. That was a bad choice not to at least bring him in smh. Sometimes I don’t think this franchise is willing to do whatever it takes to win
More SB’s. That signing would’ve at least solved one major issue on the defense.

Now will they be aggressive and make a move at the deadline for an edge rusher? Oliver Vernon? Chandler Jones? Brian Orakpo? Or will Gute take the TT approach and just sit on his hands and watch? Content on being mediocre

Screw that clown. He's already picking fights over his own hypocritical agenda.

 

[FaninColorado]

Eric Reid would have been a good pickup until he continued his kneeling and then the confrontation with Jenkins. He wouldn't have been a good fit for the Packers.

 

[Dantés]

Eric Reid would have been a good pickup until he continued his kneeling and then the confrontation with Jenkins. He wouldn't have been a good fit for the Packers.

Me personally, I don't care about the kneeling. However, I find it hilarious that after we have to hear for months about how the league is unjustly forcing these players to conform and suppressing their first amendment rights, Reid decides to go after another player who isn't conforming to his agenda. So we all need to tolerate him and his protest, but he is free to be intolerant if he doesn't like how another player handles it. Screw that.

 

[AmishMafia]

Screw that clown. He's already picking fights over his own hypocritical agenda.

Reid is a racist ******. History will paint him a fool.

 

[Mondio]

He’s someone I wanted, but I do have to say, he was completely out of line going after Jenkins. I’d rather play the season without him and be mediocre at safety. Being a problem at the opposite end of the spectrum doesn’t mean you’re not part of the problem.

 

[McKnowledge]

The Packers have mostly spent close to the cap to win another championship over the past few years. Unfortunately they have overpaid for some veterans not performing up to their contracts and didn't draft well enough to have several core players still on their rookie deals.

They have definitely tried to bring home another Lombardi Trophy though.

How do you compete for championship by overpaying for veterans not performing to the standards of their contracts. Why offer long term deals to players that only produce in bursts or one standalone season? I agree the Packers haven't drafted well the past few seasons.

How is that trying to bring home a championship?

Before giving Rodgers his new deal, they were legitimately three seasons where they could have allocated resources for free agents that would've actually made and they chose not to; feeling comfortable overpaying players drafted by the organization based solely on familiarity and hope. The hope that a player performs up to standards isn't a good plan. Definitely not a good plan to bring home another Lombardi.

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

One of the reasons I love GB is because we usually stay out of the news unless its for football related stuff (yes there are exceptions). I would always prefer to pass on a player who is "loud" even if they are very good players (i.e. Eric Reid). I take pride in saying I am a Packer fan because to me its about more than football. Its about the G on the helmet, not the name on the back. The front office takes heat for not being more active in free agency and I have had my frustrations as well. But I also like that the Packers uphold an image. When you think of GB you don't think of Eric Reid or Leveon Bell and I am okay with that.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Before giving Rodgers his new deal, they were legitimately three seasons where they could have allocated resources for free agents that would've actually made and they chose not to; feeling comfortable overpaying players drafted by the organization based solely on familiarity and hope. The hope that a player performs up to standards isn't a good plan. Definitely not a good plan to bring home another Lombardi.

Isn't this looking at things in a bubble, with a rear view mirror and pretty one sided to fit your argument? Seems like you are basically saying "sign free agents, they will be as good as you pay them, but don't resign your own guys, because you will end up overpaying them." Hasn't every team seen this happen? Success and failure signing your own or others?

Nobody wants to overpay a player and then see him under perform on that contract. That goes with your own players as well as Free Agents from other teams. One advantage of deciding on your own players future is that you probably have the most information about that player in comparison to the other 31 teams.

So funny to hear people criticizing Thompson and now Gute over decisions that were made years ago and didn't work out. All of us could be scholar GM's if we had a crystal ball in which to make all of our decisions with.

 

[McKnowledge]

Isn't this looking at things in a bubble, with a rear view mirror and pretty one sided to fit your argument? Seems like you are basically saying "sign free agents, they will be as good as you pay them, but don't resign your own guys, because you will end up overpaying them." Hasn't every team seen this happen? Success and failure signing your own or others?

Nobody wants to overpay a player and then see him under perform on that contract. That goes with your own players as well as Free Agents from other teams. One advantage of deciding on your own players future is that you probably have the most information about that player in comparison to the other 31 teams.

So funny to hear people criticizing Thompson and now Gute over decisions that were made years ago and didn't work out. All of us could be scholar GM's if we had a crystal ball in which to make all of our decisions with.

There's a big difference between re-signing a player for multiple years and signing a free agent for one year. History shows and suggest, which is factual information, that Packers tend overpay for their drafted players once their rookie deal is up. A huge deal I never agreed with was re-signing Nick Perry. I think he was re-signed out of fear that he would go to another team and start ballin' a la Casey Hayward.

And in all honesty, I personally think the Packers overpay, because they know that some players would prefer to live and play somewhere else. Green Bay is a small market and isn't the first choice for players with great talent, it just isn't. Offering one year deals to veterans that have developed a resume is mutually beneficial for both sides. Its only one year.

The player can rehabilitate their image or reputation as a productive player, while playing for a nationally recognized organization. It fosters good will. The Green Bay Packers gets a player that will give 100% effort and fills some gaps while draft picks learn and develop their craft in the NFL. Overpaying for our draft picks that only produce in their contract year is counter-intuitive (ex. Nick Perry). It ties down the organization financially, and gets people fired.

 

[Alex]

One of the reasons I love GB is because we usually stay out of the news unless its for football related stuff (yes there are exceptions). I would always prefer to pass on a player who is "loud" even if they are very good players (i.e. Eric Reid). I take pride in saying I am a Packer fan because to me its about more than football. Its about the G on the helmet, not the name on the back. The front office takes heat for not being more active in free agency and I have had my frustrations as well. But I also like that the Packers uphold an image. When you think of GB you don't think of Eric Reid or Leveon Bell and I am okay with that.

As long as they aren't breaking the law off the field or trashing teammates I don't care how "loud" someone is. I want this team to win championships. When you win, for the most part the loud guys fall in line, i.e. New England.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

There's a big difference between re-signing a player for multiple years and signing a free agent for one year. History shows and suggest, which is factual information, that Packers tend overpay for their drafted players once their rookie deal is up. A huge deal I never agreed with was re-signing Nick Perry. I think he was re-signed out of fear that he would go to another team and start ballin' a la Casey Hayward.

And in all honesty, I personally think the Packers overpay, because they know that some players would prefer to live and play somewhere else. Green Bay is a small market and isn't the first choice for players with great talent, it just isn't. Offering one year deals to veterans that have developed a resume is mutually beneficial for both sides. Its only one year.

The player can rehabilitate their image or reputation as a productive player, while playing for a nationally recognized organization. It fosters good will. The Green Bay Packers gets a player that will give 100% effort and fills some gaps while draft picks learn and develop their craft in the NFL. Overpaying for our draft picks that only produce in their contract year is counter-intuitive (ex. Nick Perry). It ties down the organization financially, and gets people fired.

If you keep a close on Free Agency, these "one year guys" you speak of do not dominate the list. You are talking about guys who are probably bigger unknowns than signing our own guys or other teams guys to a 3-4 year deal. "One year guys" are typically guys who nobody is quite sure of, but both the player and the team are willing to sign a "prove it" deal.

I am sure you could make me a list of all the "one year" guys that outperformed their 1 year contract, but I could find an equal amount of guys that didn't. Trying to build a team year to year with "one year deals" is not an ideal way to build a team, nor is it the way of the Packers.

If I had my way, each guy would get paid strictly on what he actually earns, incentive pay, but that probably will never happen. One year deals are about as close as you get to that, but still a very unstable way to build a solid roster from year to year.

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

As long as they aren't breaking the law off the field or trashing teammates I don't care how "loud" someone is. I want this team to win championships. When you win, for the most part the loud guys fall in line, i.e. New England.

I agree with your statement but there is another layer to that; they fall in line if you have the coaching staff to get them to that point. McCarthy is not Bill. Now would Aaron's veteran status and skill quiet them down? Maybe. But the loud guys need a coach and a system. IMO

 

[Dantés]

Here in the 11th hour of the trade window, I think these are my favorite targets (and I fully expect that we will get none of them):

• Landon Collins, S, NYG:

• Why He Makes Sense: He's an all-pro level talent at SS with a lot of versatility that Pettine could work with. He's only 24 and his cap number would be easy to fit in. If the Giants are looking to rebuild and don't plan on extending him, they could be motivated to move him.
• What I Would Pay: A 3rd round pick with a sweetener. He's young and very good, but he needs an extension starting next year, and he's a safety.
• Why It Won't Happen: His age makes it viable that the Giants could see him as part of their rebuild, thus they may not be willing to deal him, or perhaps they would only deal him for something unreasonable, like a 1st round pick.

• Arik Armstead, DL, SF:

• Why He Makes Sense: He's an above average 3-4 defensive lineman with the type of skill set to replace what Wilkerson was giving the Packers before he got hurt. His cap hit would be easy to fit in this year, and the Niners might not have him as part of their future plans.
• What I Would Pay: A 3rd round pick.
• Why It Won't Happen: Despite having a glut of first round picks on the DL, it's possible that Armstead is still part of their future plans.

• Jerry Hughes, ED, BUF:

• Why He Makes Sense: He's been a good edge rusher for a long time and a great one at times this year. He's aging (30) and not a part of the rebuild plan in Buffalo. The remainder of his 2018 salary could be made to fit.
• What I Would Pay: A 4th round pick.
• Why It Won't Happen: Either we won't offer or the Bills won't sell-- McDermott strikes me as the type of coach who would value keeping his veterans and winning some games even in a lost season.

 

[Mondio]

I can get behind all 3 of those. Was just talking about Landon Collins last night

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

Here in the 11th hour of the trade window, I think these are my favorite targets (and I fully expect that we will get none of them):

"Fully expect that we will get non of them" ............................

 

[rodell330]

Tell us how we get Chandler Jones. I want to see how well you’ve thought out anything you said.

Well first off the Cardinals are clearly in rebuild mode after this debacle of a season. The Packers dangle BOTH those 1st rd picks. Some of you guys are enamored with the ideal of keeping them...I’m not. I want a proven commodity still on a very friendly deal. You make it seem like getting the guy would be impossible smh. Cards can clear 86 mil, and have 3 first rd picks with money to play with. It’s not a terrible deal at all. I know it’s hard to fathom at times being a Packers fan.

 

[rodell330]

One of the reasons I love GB is because we usually stay out of the news unless its for football related stuff (yes there are exceptions). I would always prefer to pass on a player who is "loud" even if they are very good players (i.e. Eric Reid). I take pride in saying I am a Packer fan because to me its about more than football. Its about the G on the helmet, not the name on the back. The front office takes heat for not being more active in free agency and I have had my frustrations as well. But I also like that the Packers uphold an image. When you think of GB you don't think of Eric Reid or Leveon Bell and I am okay with that.

Maybe you should watch the news outside of GB...because it’s usually talking about how the Packers have only won 1 SB under Rodgers and are wasting his prime years...they usually also talk about how lame our roster is.

 

[Mondio]

Well first off the Cardinals are clearly in rebuild mode after this debacle of a season. The Packers dangle BOTH those 1st rd picks. Some of you guys are enamored with the ideal of keeping them...I’m not. I want a proven commodity still on a very friendly deal. You make it seem like getting the guy would be impossible smh. Cards can clear 86 mil, and have 3 first rd picks with money to play with. It’s not a terrible deal at all. I know it’s hard to fathom at times being a Packers fan.

ok, you've gotten rid of our draft picks, now tell me how we get him under our cap, THIS year

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

Maybe you should watch the news outside of GB...because it’s usually talking about how the Packers have only won 1 SB under Rodgers and are wasting his prime years...they usually also talk about how lame our roster is.

I don't live in GB or Wisconsin for that matter. So I don't get local news. And while I agree it sucks having won only one SB with Aaron, but we have been competitive. I don't agree with mediocrity by any means but like I said I believe there is a right and wrong way for doing things.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

ok, you've gotten rid of our draft picks, now tell me how we get him under our cap, THIS year

Trade Matthews and/or Cobb and their huge remaining salaries, because EVERY team wants those 2 overpaid underperforming veterans in the final year of their contracts.

Or get him to renegotiate and take a team friendy deal, because he will be playing for the best franchise in the NFL

 

[Mondio]

I don't live in GB or Wisconsin for that matter. So I don't get local news. And while I agree it sucks having won only one SB with Aaron, but we have been competitive. I don't agree with mediocrity by any means but like I said I believe there is a right and wrong way for doing things.

I think people do need to get out of GB more and watch other teams. The facts are we have 1. We could have had more, should have had more, etc, but we don't. We were built for a run, won one a little early I think actually. Then had some things happen. Then were built for another run and came up short. '14 was absolutely a Super Bowl capable roster. It was largely the same in 14, 15, and 16. The run was over and we've been hanging on to competitive ever since. The facts are we've had some really good teams, but didn't win it. Same as happens to everyone, but the patriots I guess.

and every year everyone thinks every other team wins more, does more, etc. The Eagles might be lucky to even make the playoffs with the same or better roster than they had winning it last year. Things happen and judging only by Super Bowl trophies misses almost everything. But i get it. Chest puffing on a barstool is rather important to people LOL

anyway, we're in a little lull, the right choices and we'll be poised for another 3-4 year run starting next season. Heck, we even have a better than punchers chance this season

 

[Mondio]

Trade Matthews and/or Cobb and their huge remaining salaries, because EVERY team wants those 2 overpaid underperforming veterans in the final year of their contracts.

Or get him to renegotiate and take a team friendy deal, because he will be playing for the best franchise in the NFL

but we can't renegotiate a new contract until the end of this NFL year.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

but we can't renegotiate a new contract until the end of this NFL year.

That was said tongue firmly in cheek.

But in all seriousness, I do believe a new contract could be worked out right now, but I doubt that contract talk with a player like Chander Jones, who's current contract averages $16.5M/year until 2021, is going to include "we can only pay you $5M for the rest of the season and oh by the way, will you reduce the next 3 as well?"