The Mike Pettine era may soon be over

[pizzle]

...to honor his commitment
...to not jump to another "more desirable" job
...to communicate with others (he left his hand picked "staff" hanging)
...to succeed when he might fail (left to go to New England...a "sure thing")
...to handle pressure (easy being a coordinator as opposed to a head coach taking all the heat)

McDaniels cannot be trusted to lead men IMO

Couldn't have said it better myself. Outside of the NE locker room, what group of 53 in the NFL really respects McDaniels?!?!?

We're sposed to act like guys don't know what really went down in Denver/it isn't known amongst the current crop of guys in the league? And the Indy thing isn't a big deal????

This guy has no business even being interviewed by our brass, let alone being considered the top candidate. He's a *****. Why do you want that around AR12-you're asking for disaster smh...

 

[Jerellh528]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Outside of the NE locker room, what group of 53 in the NFL really respects McDaniels?!?!?

We're sposed to act like guys don't know what really went down in Denver/it isn't known amongst the current crop of guys in the league? And the Indy thing isn't a big deal????

This guy has no business even being interviewed by our brass, let alone being considered the top candidate. He's a *****. Why do you want that around AR12-you're asking for disaster smh...

This is a pretty solid stance for him.

https://mobile.twitter.com/pick_six22/status/1078430379562991616

 

[rodell330]

Ive says 100 times that Cleveland didn’t want McDaniels. Just because he is a native Ohioan doesn’t mean anything

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I didn't like Gase's game management at all, but I suppose one could argue he got a little more out of Osweiler than he should have.

I am more than willing to allow Gase to be our Offensive Coordinator if our HC wanted him in that role, I think he's done good there. But he's a pretty lousy HC imo.

Once again, I think Gase did a good job considering the Dolphins had to play Jay Cutler, Matt Moore, Brock Osweiler and David Fales at quarterback during his tenure.

In addition the job he did with Manning in Denver shouldn't be ignored either.

 

[brandon2348]

McDaniels Pros:

• Has HC experience
• Has coordinated one of the league's best offenses for years
• Adapts scheme regularly to suit personnel (both his own and opponents)
• Has worked with a HOF QB on the back 9 of his career
• His assistant choices in IND proved to be good

McDaniels Cons:

• His 1st HC failure was full of unnecessary drama
• The NE coaching tree stinks
• The NE offense was just fine without him
• His first choice assistants (esp. DC) are now in IND
• His behavior last offseason was suspect at best

Does that look about right?

This is actually spot on for you. I see being able to adapt Scheme to the teams talent as the biggest thing on this list or what we need here. IMO, he is genius level at that and has proven it over a considerable amount of time. Tired of having guys tryitg to force round pegs into square holes and being too stubborn to change is what weve had. What Mcdanials could do with Aaron Rodgers along with some upgrades on offense will dwarf what McCarthy did in 2011.

Yes, he did have a first coaching job failure and so did Bill Belichick and Pete Carroll. Its kind of good Mcdanials has gotten that out of the way IMO. People can hate this guy all they want but once we start winning big with him there gonna be naming streets after him. Book it.

 

[Mondio]

But, is it McD doing that? or BB saying, "THIS is how we're going to attack this weeks team, give me your plan to do it" One constant with the Pats, is they seem to plug and play guys all the time, have different ways to win almost on a weekly basis and the other constant has been BB. I'm fairy confident the direction comes from the top. McD might "know" a lot of stuff about offense, but he might not know a thing about putting it out on the field like BB does. I know lots of people that are incredibly smart, and would accomplish jack squat without direction from someone else. McD might have a huge bag of tricks, but I have a feeling Bill is the one that says, use this set of tricks this week and then Bill is holding every player and coach accountable for the implementation and success of that plan. That's why we rarely see mental breakdowns or lack of discipline from that team over the years. Coordinators have changed, the headman hasn't.

 

[Half Empty]

...to honor his commitment
...to not jump to another "more desirable" job
...to communicate with others (he left his hand picked "staff" hanging)
...to succeed when he might fail (left to go to New England...a "sure thing")
...to handle pressure (easy being a coordinator as opposed to a head coach taking all the heat)

McDaniels cannot be trusted to lead men IMO

I would have thought that the first three wouldn't affect the Packers. If he did sign, he couldn't back out or jump, and his picked staff would come with him. Don't really understand the fourth (might be too early on a Sunday), and don't see how changing horses on taking a job would affect the one he ends up with. Certainly understand not liking the character, but if one is talking purely about production, I think it's a reach.

 

[brandon2348]

But, is it McD doing that? or BB saying, "THIS is how we're going to attack this weeks team, give me your plan to do it" One constant with the Pats, is they seem to plug and play guys all the time, have different ways to win almost on a weekly basis and the other constant has been BB. I'm fairy confident the direction comes from the top. McD might "know" a lot of stuff about offense, but he might not know a thing about putting it out on the field like BB does. I know lots of people that are incredibly smart, and would accomplish jack squat without direction from someone else. McD might have a huge bag of tricks, but I have a feeling Bill is the one that says, use this set of tricks this week and then Bill is holding every player and coach accountable for the implementation and success of that plan. That's why we rarely see mental breakdowns or lack of discipline from that team over the years. Coordinators have changed, the headman hasn't.

Yes, there is always the "Bill Belichick Factor" but if they didn't need Mcdanials they wouldn't of paid him.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...s-a-monstrous-contract-to-stay-in-new-england.

The Patriots are typically very smart who they give money too and have no problem getting rid of people they dont need from the top down.. Follow the $

 

[Mondio]

I Have very little doubt McD is a very smart offensive coordinator. But I want GB to hire a very smart head coach who in turns gets a very smart OC.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I Have very little doubt McD is a very smart offensive coordinator. But I want GB to hire a very smart head coach who in turns gets a very smart OC.

My wish as well. A HC that has a solid understanding of Offense, Defense, Special Teams AND knows how to communicate and stay connected with the players and coaches. I could be wrong, but seems like MM got so wrapped on in the offense and the result was a DC (Capers) and Special Teams coaches (Slocum and Zook) who weren't pulling their weight.

Combine that HC with with the right OC, DC and STC. Now the question is, which 4 guys out there are best suited to fill those roles, together in Green Bay?

 

[Alex]

My wish as well. A HC that has a solid understanding of Offense, Defense, Special Teams AND knows how to communicate and stay connected with the players and coaches. I could be wrong, but seems like MM got so wrapped on in the offense and the result was a DC (Capers) and Special Teams coaches (Slocum and Zook) who weren't pulling their weight.

Combine that HC with with the right OC, DC and STC. Now the question is, which 4 guys out there are best suited to fill those roles, together in Green Bay?

That's why I wish they'd interview Dave Toub.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That's why I wish they'd interview Dave Toub.

This guy seems to agree with you. Toub combined with a solid OC and DC would be an interesting option. Sounds like players love him and he has a good solid understanding of all aspects of the game.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/01/05/dave-toub-kansas-city-chiefs-2018-nfl-coaching-carousel

 

[rmontro]

McDaniels cannot be trusted to lead men IMO

This seems to sum up the McDaniels debate:
"He's a good football mind, but he has character issues".

 

[brandon2348]

I Have very little doubt McD is a very smart offensive coordinator. But I want GB to hire a very smart head coach who in turns gets a very smart OC.

Some believe McDanials is being promised the Partriots HC job when BB steps down(which could be quite soon) and I am sure BB has has his hand in that to some degree. Mcdanials also knows his way around the league well and has the clout to assemble an all-star staff.

 

[brandon2348]

This seems to sum up the McDaniels debate:
"He's a good football mind, but he has character issues".

And BB is known by many as a "cheater". Whats your point? You want to win or continue playing nice guy?

 

[brandon2348]

Im so sick of the "character Issue" thing. It's left us as painfull losers and a mostly empty roster.

 

[brandon2348]

Whats funny is we supposedly drafted all these "high character guys" and many haven't been. Montgomery "doing him" and costing us a chance to win a game. Randall who was a head case. HaHa who quit on the teams on many occasions. I could name more.

 

[Mondio]

That's why I wish they'd interview Dave Toub.

I don’t really know enough about any of these guys, but from what I’ve read he sounds like he knows the game. This is the “type” of coach I’m looking for. The communicator, a leader, intelligent, I’m not concerned with the flashy picks. The flash isn’t substantial. It’s just flash. Looks ****, sounds ****, but at some point it has to really do the quiet, unassuming, labor intensive, low in the glory and heavy in responsibility work to be a successful head coach. I’d be combing special teams and offensive line coaches to lead my team. The guys that work hard to make everyone else look good. Not the glory seakers

 

[McKnowledge]

I would have thought that the first three wouldn't affect the Packers. If he did sign, he couldn't back out or jump, and his picked staff would come with him. Don't really understand the fourth (might be too early on a Sunday), and don't see how changing horses on taking a job would affect the one he ends up with. Certainly understand not liking the character, but if one is talking purely about production, I think it's a reach.

When he left Denver and subsequently back out from Indianapolis, he was essentially more afraid of failing to lead those teams and less confident in succeeding with them. Sometimes, you have to risk losing, if you want to win.

If he truly is a QB whisperer, he could've worked with Tebow. He did win a playoff game.

Indy had the franchise QB, albeit with a significant injury. At the 11th hour, facing the daunting task of leading a franchise with the health, an unknown factor in Andrew Luck looming McDaniels ran back to daddy in New England. What's crazy is that he had his staff in place, and a backup QB in Jacoby Brissett that he was familiar with. That situation was laid out perfectly for him, and he got shook.

GMs, player, coaches, and NFL personnel have a track record on McDaniels. He is flaky and shouldn't be trusted. GB should not go "all in" with this guy. I would expect the Packers to call Indianapolis and Denver for references. It is a job.

 

[brandon2348]

When he left Denver and subsequently back out from Indianapolis, he was essentially more afraid of failing to lead those teams and less confident in succeeding with them. Sometimes, you have to risk losing, if you want to win.

If he truly is a QB whisperer, he could've worked with Tebow. He did win a playoff game.

Indy had the franchise QB, albeit with a significant injury. At the 11th hour, facing the daunting task of leading a franchise with the health, an unknown factor in Andrew Luck looming McDaniels ran back to daddy in New England. What's crazy is that he had his staff in place, and a backup QB in Jacoby Brissett that he was familiar with. That situation was laid out perfectly for him, and he got shook.

GMs, player, coaches, and NFL personnel have a track record on McDaniels. He is flaky and shouldn't be trusted. GB should not go "all in" with this guy. I would expect the Packers to call Indianapolis and Denver for references. It is a job.

He was worried about Luck's shoulder and rightly so at that time. Plus the Pats re-uped and gave hin a ton of $ and rumored future promises. What would you do?

He can go almost anywhere he wants. He has "earned that" and recently turned down the Bengals for an interview. His only scheduled interview has been with the Packers. He is smart and knows we have "picks and money" and AR12. Get him in here and get rid of some of this trash on this roster and get some young hungry talent and we will be winning again.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

At the 11th hour, facing the daunting task of leading a franchise with the health, an unknown factor in Andrew Luck looming McDaniels ran back to daddy in New England. What's crazy is that he had his staff in place, and a backup QB in Jacoby Brissett that he was familiar with. That situation was laid out perfectly for him, and he got shook.

Source? Or is this your assumption?

I guess I have read articles that point to the fact that Kraft and Belichick sat down with McDaniels, before he signed a contract with the Colts and convinced him to stay in New England, as they opened up more learning opportunities within the organization for him. I believe there was a pay raise that went with it.

If McDaniels was directly part of some of the cheating he has been accused of, I have an issue with that. But people throwing him under the bus for second guessing taking the Indy job, come on, have you ever interviewed with multiple companies for employment?

 

[brandon2348]

I really don't blame the guy. He went into a bad situation at Denver and didnt want to do it again. If your gut tells you that your not a 100 percent in and have doubt best not to go do it. He never signed the dotted line.

 

[brandon2348]

My god. How many players have comitted verbally to colleges only to change there mind on signing day? Should we not take draft any of them either?

 

[McKnowledge]

He was worried about Luck's shoulder and rightly so at that time. Plus the Pats re-uped and gave hin a ton of $ and rumored future promises. What would you do?

He can go almost anywhere he wants. He has "earned that" and recently turned down the Bengals for an interview. His only scheduled interview has been with the Packers. He is smart and knows we have "picks and money" and AR12. Get him in here and get rid of some of this trash on this roster and get some young hungry talent and we will be winning again.

You're last name should be Simpson. Luck's shoulder was the same, when he accepted the position, what changed? McDaniels got spooked. He didn't want the challenge, what kind of leader is that? What the hell has McDaniels earned with GB? Who wouldn't turn down interviewing with the Bengals? GB already has young hungry talent. GB will win when they hire a leader of men, a motivator, and HC with integrity. McDaniels is smart...but he's also flaky. He's a no go.

 

[brandon2348]

GB already has young hungry talent. GB will win when they hire a leader of men, a motivator, and HC with integrity. McDaniels is smart...but he's also flaky. He's a no go.

Thats supposedly what we have been doing and now were watching other teams in the playoffs with "False Character". Get over it. While your at it go get Nick Perry out of hibernation since he gor paid. Its a joke.