The Mike Pettine era may soon be over

[7thFloorRA]

I believe the edge from BC is a hand it the dirt guy so while he can also play 3-4 olb he is probalby more suited to a 4-3 DE. Jake Ryan can play in the middle. I like him and everyone kind of forgets about him, he is a FA though. Perry has got to go at his salary and injury frequency.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Mahomes is better than Rodgers dude is only gonna get better too...

Well, the proof is in the putting. Dan Marino's numbers in his second season, his first as a full-season starter, were comparable to Mahomes. While he was a HOF QB, he never again matched those numbers.

Mahommes could be an example of "the triumph of the uncluttered mind" playing with modest expectations in his first year as a starter, out there just having fun on the playground. You have not seen him operate under playoff pressure or the pressure of a big contract a couple years down the road, not to mention the affect on his supporting cast once he starts sucking up that kind of cap. And defenses have a habit of making adjustments in the offseason that he'll have to counter-adjust.

Will he be a great QB? I suppose that's as good a bet as with anybody else after his first starting season who has come along since Marino. From a statistical standpoint, will this be Mahomme's most productive season? There's a good chance of that. Then he'll be measured by how he deals with with adversity and winning championships.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Rodgers' body would last all of about 1 quarter running that Mahomes offense. If you can watch Mahomes and seriously tell me that Rodgers can do that then you are seeing something I am not. Rodgers can move pretty well but Mahomes is about half a step from getting buried and he outruns everyone and chucks it. Rodgers is at least a full step behind Mahomes speed wise meaning he will get his *** planted routinely running that stuff at this point in his career.

I like McDaniels because he has been able to work with whatever BB gives him for players and make it work every single year regardless of who is hurt. He has done some of his best work with an AGING qb. I would like him to keep Pettine but this defense still has 2 glaring problems aside from talent. They can't/won't tackle and the defensive backs don't get their head around and cover blindly. Spags and Nolan also run a 4-3 IIRC so that could mean alot of roster turnover again to get the kind of players they need.

It's ridiculous to suggest that Mahomes doing that is based on scheme. He's an ad libber and his running around and whatever is just the style he plays and has been playing since college.

Also, might want to keep in mind Bellichek has never had a single scrub on his roster, not even for backups. Pretty sure McD would never turn TT's scrubs like Barf Hundley into studs.

 

[swhitset]

And the “Fire McDaniels” thread would be the fastest fire a coach thread in forum history

let’s start it now.

 

[rmontro]

I like Pettine, but if there's a head coach the front office really wants (who wants to pick his own coordinators), he can't stand in the way.

 

[Dantés]

If any of this is true, then I sure hope it's "mystery candidate" because Spagnuolo and Nolan have been pretty big flops in their most recent shots at coordinating a defense.

 

[Dantés]

McDaniels Pros:

• Has HC experience
• Has coordinated one of the league's best offenses for years
• Adapts scheme regularly to suit personnel (both his own and opponents)
• Has worked with a HOF QB on the back 9 of his career
• His assistant choices in IND proved to be good

McDaniels Cons:

• His 1st HC failure was full of unnecessary drama
• The NE coaching tree stinks
• The NE offense was just fine without him
• His first choice assistants (esp. DC) are now in IND
• His behavior last offseason was suspect at best

Does that look about right?

 

[rmontro]

Adapts scheme regularly to suit personnel (both his own and opponents)

This alone would be a big change.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I believe that if the packers hire McDaniels-we are done as a legitimate franchise again for another 20 years. Things have been bad lately but they will get ugly and fast if that guy is our HC. I just don't get it. You fire a MM just to interview Adam friggin Gase and McDaniels is the leading candidate?!?!?

While I don't like the Packers to hire McDaniels either you completely overreact about the possibility of it happening.

Gase actually did a fine job in Miami considering the lack of talent on their roster. In addition he had Manning perform at an elite level late in his career in Denver.

MLB Burks/Morrison
ROLB Dee Ford FREE AGENCY
LOLB Blake Martinez /Fackrell

DE Nick Perry
DT Kenny Clark
DT ED Oliver ROOKIE
DE Mike Daniels

RCB Jaire Alexander
LCB Kevin King
SS Tyran Matthieu
FS Breshaud Breeland/Josh Jackson

I think this group could have success running a 4-3 as early as next year if they did switch.

The Packers would have to do much better at linebacker to make a 4-3 work.

 

[Dantés]

If the Packers move to a 4-3, they essentially have zero defensive ends. Perry can play that position but I'm not even sure you want him on the team. Gilbert maybe? I guess Lowry could be a strong side DE on base downs.

Lowry - Clark - Daniels - Gilbert

Fackrell - Martinez - Burks

That front is weak everywhere except iDL. Pass rush would be a major problem. And a 4-3 defense that's slow at linebacker is slow in general.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I believe the edge from BC is a hand it the dirt guy so while he can also play 3-4 olb he is probalby more suited to a 4-3 DE. Jake Ryan can play in the middle. I like him and everyone kind of forgets about him, he is a FA though. Perry has got to go at his salary and injury frequency.

Ryan's coming off an ACL. Is he going to be the same player?

 

[HardRightEdge]

McDaniels Pros:

• Has HC experience
• Has coordinated one of the league's best offenses for years
• Adapts scheme regularly to suit personnel (both his own and opponents)
• Has worked with a HOF QB on the back 9 of his career
• His assistant choices in IND proved to be good

McDaniels Cons:

• His 1st HC failure was full of unnecessary drama
• The NE coaching tree stinks
• The NE offense was just fine without him
• His first choice assistants (esp. DC) are now in IND
• His behavior last offseason was suspect at best

Does that look about right?

Again, being in the building for three cheating scandals needs to be on the list of possible cons.

1) 2007: OC in New England for Spygate I while Scarnecchia served as video assistant
2) 2010: HC in Denver for Spygate II with Scarnecchia as head of video production; Scarnecchia fired; McDaniels claimed he did not accept the tape but was fined $50,000 for not reporting the incident
3) 2014: OC in New England for Deflategate

Putting these incidents together along with him reneging on the Colts deal, might there be a pattern worth considering? Call it character, trustworthiness or stupidity in getting caught, there's something here to think about.

 

[Dantés]

Ryan's coming off an ACL. Is he going to be the same player?

Given the nature of ACL reconstruction and rehab in 2018, I'd say yes, probably.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Given the nature of ACL reconstruction and rehab in 2018, I'd say yes, probably.

Even in 2018, I don't consider that as more than "possibly".

 

[OldSchool101]

Oh, Jessica Alba, my wife's single and promiscuous friend, is allergic to tequila.

It’s Possible with curves like that.. she can’t drink it straight.

 

[OldSchool101]

I'm fine with that, she can drive me home later. You do know that Rodell has a sweet tooth for Married Funny Amish men right?

I see. It’s always the stark contrast in comedy that makes me laugh. You know.. like Amish is to Mafia or like Married is to Funny.

 

[Dantés]

Even in 2018, I don't consider that as more than "possibly".

I don't have figures, but anecdotally I think it's more of a probability.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I see. It’s always the stark contrast in comedy that makes me laugh. You know.. like Amish is to Mafia or like Married is to Funny.

Yup and he combines all 4 traits.....Amish, Mafia, Married and funny.....can't wait to drink with him and Rodell in the Packer luxury boxes that McDaniels provides Rodell!

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Gase actually did a fine job in Miami considering the lack of talent on their roster. In addition he had Manning perform at an elite level late in his career in Denver..

I didn't like Gase's game management at all, but I suppose one could argue he got a little more out of Osweiler than he should have.

I am more than willing to allow Gase to be our Offensive Coordinator if our HC wanted him in that role, I think he's done good there. But he's a pretty lousy HC imo.

 

[HardRightEdge]

I don't have figures, but anecdotally I think it's more of a probability.

Anecdotally, I'd say we tend to remember the guys who regain their previous form, especially elite players, while forgetting the guys who don't, especially less than elite players.

Even guys who have a sucecssful repair do not snap back immediately as they gain confidence in the repair and work off cobwebs. Star players, especially those with chunk of dead cap on their contract, are granted patience.

When considering a guy like Ryan, a good situational player but not a guy you'd want out there for 3 downs if it can be avoided, that kind of patience is not likely to be granted. He's a free agent. Maybe they sign him to a cheap one year prove-it deal with no guarantees for the 90 man roster. But if there is any diminshment athleticism, whether the cause is physical or mental, by the time final cut downs come, he's not likely to be around for the season.

I would similarly assess Allison's situation. While his injury was a groin muscle tear requiring surger, not an ACL, it is nonetheless serious. He's a restricted free agent. He's not a core player.

Anecdotally, I believe a lot of non-core players fall by the wayside following a serious injury with surgery, be it an ACL or otherwise.

 

[thequick12]

Put it this way...he turned down other interviews because he’s only interested in GB.

I heard that the one job he may take over Green Bay would be Cleveland. When I heard it I wondered why? Then I heard a bio of his and in between a couple coaching jobs they said McDaniels spent time working as a salesmen in... Cleveland. Now that you say this about canton can't help but think that report could be correct he may covet the Cleveland job more

 

[McKnowledge]

Can't trust McDaniels after what he pulled with the Colts last year. A man like that cannot be trusted.

 

[Half Empty]

Can't be trusted to...?

 

[rmontro]

I heard that the one job he may take over Green Bay would be Cleveland. When I heard it I wondered why? Then I heard a bio of his and in between a couple coaching jobs they said McDaniels spent time working as a salesmen in... Cleveland.

There are lots of reasons to choose the Cleveland job over Green Bay. Expectations are going to be higher in Green Bay. Some report Rodgers as being difficult to work with. Green Bay is in semi-rebuilding mode. Cleveland has a strong up and coming team with young talent and a young quarterback who is probably rookie of the year.

 

[McKnowledge]

Can't be trusted to...?

...to honor his commitment
...to not jump to another "more desirable" job
...to communicate with others (he left his hand picked "staff" hanging)
...to succeed when he might fail (left to go to New England...a "sure thing")
...to handle pressure (easy being a coordinator as opposed to a head coach taking all the heat)

McDaniels cannot be trusted to lead men IMO