The Jordan Love Era Begins

[Pokerbrat2000]

Apparently, people believe it's a serious weakness for Rodgers that he doesn't trust more receivers (which I don't agree with). Therefore, by that logic, it must be really easy to tell which receivers he doesn't like and, since it's apparently easy to know which ones he doesn't trust, the front office should have gotten rid of the guys he didn't trust and find some new guys.

So let me get this straight, you are proposing that the Packers should have signed maybe multiple FA WR's, draft 2-3 each year and if you are lucky he likes 1 or 2 of them? So you cut the ones he doesnt? Great way to manage your resources and a team.

I'm just happy to hear that Jordan Love seems to be taking a different path, for now.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Gotta Love this guy. Last one off a scorching hot practice field, signing autographs, shaking hands and posing for pictures.

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[pacmaniac]

He also mentioned something funny. He said when replacing any HOF QB, the bulk of fans all suddenly act like the previous QB never made a mistake.

#12 never threw an INT

When Rodgers replaced Favre, I highly doubt anyone said that Favre never threw an INT.

 

[thequick12]

I am also.

Steve Young said he’s “Bullish” on Jordan Love. Of course he’s got some experience when it comes to replacing a HOF QB.

He said he predicted correctly after watching Rodgers prepare behind Favre. He was bullish on Rodgers.

He also mentioned something funny. He said when replacing any HOF QB, the bulk of fans all suddenly act like the previous QB never made a mistake.

#12 never threw an INT
#12 never threw an incomplete pass
#12 never lost a game

In other words. The replacement QB cannot Win over his predecessor, regardless of how he plays we scrutinize every mistake

I noticed that, watching the patriots game at work. According to co workers Love played bad. Their reasoning basically was, not every throw was perfect, haha smh. I said we'll see but im betting he's gonna be really good right away. Also he went 5 of 8 for 83 yards and a td haha

 

[Poppa San]

I noticed that, watching the patriots game at work. According to co workers Love played bad. Their reasoning basically was, not every throw was perfect, haha smh. I said we'll see but im betting he's gonna be really good right away. Also he went 5 of 8 for 83 yards and a td haha

They want to see bad QB play, they should have watched the end of the Lions/Panthers game last night. I started watching late in the 3rd and I think there were more punts than completed passes. And it wasn't all good defense.

 

[AmishMafia]

I noticed that, watching the patriots game at work. According to co workers Love played bad. Their reasoning basically was, not every throw was perfect, haha smh. I said we'll see but im betting he's gonna be really good right away. Also he went 5 of 8 for 83 yards and a td haha

He made mostly the best decisions and no poor decisions. He made some excellent passes. Showed a lot of poise. If you weren't happy with his play, you either don't know much about football or you are a bigger fan of Rodgers and you want Love to fail.

 

[milani]

Yup. We all knew this. He will literally lock you out of his vision.

Makes me think of Amari Rogers.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

So let me get this straight, you are proposing that the Packers should have signed maybe multiple FA WR's, draft 2-3 each year and if you are lucky he likes 1 or 2 of them? So you cut the ones he doesnt? Great way to manage your resources and a team.

I'm just happy to hear that Jordan Love seems to be taking a different path, for now.

I’m not saying that. I told you, i didn’t agree that Rodgers routinely iced out receivers he didn’t like. I’m saying that if you believe that, and you believe he’s an elite QB (which multiple MVPs would agree with), then you would need to alter your draft strategy to compensate for that weakness.

 

[longtimefan]

I’m not saying that. I told you, i didn’t agree that Rodgers routinely iced out receivers he didn’t like. I’m saying that if you believe that, and you believe he’s an elite QB (which multiple MVPs would agree with), then you would need to alter your draft strategy to compensate for that weakness.

So even if the coaches and Gm as a whole liked the wr they had. ( Dont think with hindsight) but in general if they liked the wr... They should have nixed any draft plans for other spots because Aaron said I want you to draft this wr?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I’m not saying that. I told you, i didn’t agree that Rodgers routinely iced out receivers he didn’t like. I’m saying that if you believe that, and you believe he’s an elite QB (which multiple MVPs would agree with), then you would need to alter your draft strategy to compensate for that weakness.

So even if the coaches and Gm as a whole liked the wr they had. ( Dont think with hindsight) but in general if they liked the wr... They should have nixed any draft plans for other spots because Aaron said I want you to draft this wr?

How do you alter your "draft strategy"? Put Aaron in charge of recruiting, personal interviews and CEO of workouts? You know, so he can vet every potential candidate and see if they are someone he thinks he could work with, even though he has never played a down with them. Oh and put him in the war room for the draft too, because his guy(s) might not be there when the Packers are on the clock. So you put all that in place, then what happens when one of those guys that Rodgers handpicked, doesn't work out, because he dropped a pass or ran the wrong route? If you need answers to that, see Rodgers relationship and family history.

Maybe if Aaron put some time into getting to know all the new receivers at OTA's, on the sidelines, during the offseason, etc., you know, like he has already done in the short time that he has been in New York.

I have heard of bending for your star player and doing some extras, which I think the Packers did with Rodgers, but elevating your star playing into GM like roles? Not a good idea IMO. Again, seems like Rodgers had no issue taking a big bite of humble pie during his flight to NY, not sure why that couldn't have happened in Green Bay.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

So even if the coaches and Gm as a whole liked the wr they had. ( Dont think with hindsight) but in general if they liked the wr... They should have nixed any draft plans for other spots because Aaron said I want you to draft this wr?

No, i don’t think Rodgers has enough time to scout college players. Obviously I’m doing a terrible job of explaining my point so I’ll just say i disagree that Rodgers lack of trust in mediocre receivers was a major flaw.

Back to the topic, Love has looked great so far and appears ready to play like an above average NFL QB. Only thing keeping him from elite is his deep ball but he’s got time to figure that out.

 

[realitybytez]

I have heard of bending for your star player and doing some extras, which I think the Packers did with Rodgers, but elevating your star playing into GM like roles? Not a good idea IMO. Again, seems like Rodgers had no issue taking a big bite of humble pie during his flight to NY, not sure why that couldn't have happened in Green Bay.

i'll probably regret jumping into this argument discussion, but i have been paying some attention to what has been going on in j-e-t-s land this year, and i think it is very easy to see why rodgers has been willing to do thinks for that team that he was unwilling to do for the packers. before he even became a jet, that team went out and hired his favorite coach to be the oc. they also signed a couple wide receivers that he seems to hold in high regard. on the practice field, saleh has routinely listened to input from rodgers and saleh even professed that to the media when asked about it. basically they have done all the things that rodgers complained the packers refused to do. all of the animosity between he and gute was gone. management was open to discussing anything he wanted to talk about. sure, this could all come back to bite them in the backend, but for now it has already paid dividends for them because rodgers was willing to take a salary cut in exchange for a fully guaranteed contract - something the packers never would have done. imho, the jets have an extremely tough season ahead of them - particularly because the o-line is not very good. there is a good chance rodgers gets hurt. hopefully not until after he plays 65% of the snaps.

i'm still a lifelong packers fan, and i am excited to watch jordan love mature into our third consecutive hall of fame qb. go pack go.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Only thing keeping him from elite is his deep ball but he’s got time to figure that out.

I think he's a few seasons from possibly being both, elite and figuring out the deep ball. No guarantees on either, but this season might give him, the Packers and everyone else a good idea if he could. I also think the deep ball and knowing where your receivers are going to be, when a play breaks down, all depends on establishing good chemistry with your receivers.

Love learned from 1 of the best QB's to play the game, but those are things Aaron had to learn too.

 

[OldSchool101]

I noticed that, watching the patriots game at work. According to co workers Love played bad. Their reasoning basically was, not every throw was perfect, haha smh. I said we'll see but im betting he's gonna be really good right away. Also he went 5 of 8 for 83 yards and a td haha

Be sure to let them know. Love outplayed Rodgers this Preseason.

Love 63.6% reception rate

Rodgers 62.5% reception rate

Who’s slacking?

I’m saying that if you believe that, and you believe he’s an elite QB (which multiple MVPs would agree with), then you would need to alter your draft strategy to compensate for that weakness.

They did alter the draft strategy by compensating for these Offensive issues.
they drafted more Defensively

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Be sure to let them know. Love outplayed Rodgers this Preseason.

Love 63.6% reception rate

Rodgers 62.5% reception rate

Who’s slacking?



They did alter the draft strategy to stop him freezing Offensive players. They drafted Defensively

I did watch the Jets vs Giants game, at least until Rodgers was done (2 series). He and Wilson are going to be a great duo, but he missed badly on a few other throws, probably the receivers fault.

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[longtimefan]

i'll probably regret jumping into this argument discussion, but i have been paying some attention to what has been going on in j-e-t-s land this year, and i think it is very easy to see why rodgers has been willing to do thinks for that team that he was unwilling to do for the packers. before he even became a jet, that team went out and hired his favorite coach to be the oc. they also signed a couple wide receivers that he seems to hold in high regard. on the practice field, saleh has routinely listened to input from rodgers and saleh even professed that to the media when asked about it. basically they have done all the things that rodgers complained the packers refused to do. all of the animosity between he and gute was gone. management was open to discussing anything he wanted to talk about. sure, this could all come back to bite them in the backend, but for now it has already paid dividends for them because rodgers was willing to take a salary cut in exchange for a fully guaranteed contract - something the packers never would have done. imho, the jets have an extremely tough season ahead of them - particularly because the o-line is not very good. there is a good chance rodgers gets hurt. hopefully not until after he plays 65% of the snaps.

i'm still a lifelong packers fan, and i am excited to watch jordan love mature into our third consecutive hall of fame qb. go pack go.

Why did the packers re sign cobb?

You have no idea what he wanted..what packers wanted or said.

You are just a Rodgers fan that's pissed

My head hurts reading your excuses

 

[OldSchool101]

that team went out and hired his favorite coach to be the oc.

Wait a second that does not equate with me. Are you saying the Jets hired a Coach that we didn’t? Wasn’t he our OC first? So now it’s the Packers fault he left for a HC job in Denver? I suppose it’s also the Packers FO that made him crash and burn in Denver? Because had he been playoff bound in Denver, there’s 0% chance he’d be in NY right now.

they also signed a couple wide receivers that he seems to hold in high regard.

A couple?? Are you talking about Cobb and Lazard? Rodgers Receivers the last several seasons? Which couple? Hardman? He was a direct result of internal problems with Elijah Moore and even a direct and simultaneous swap. That was not by Rodgers request it had been in the works before he was even in house and those problems were well documented prior to Aaron becoming a Jet.

on the practice field, saleh has routinely listened to input from rodgers and saleh even professed that to the media when asked about it

Wait.. Matt didn’t listen to Rodgers? Really?? Are you sure about this because that’s the exact opposite of what I’ve witnessed.

basically they have done all the things that rodgers complained the packers refused to do.

You have failed to name even 1 thing that the Packers didn’t do that the Jets did.

management was open to discussing anything he wanted to talk about.

That I 100% agree with. Had the Jets and Woody not petted Aaron like a new, rare Full-bred puppy he might have never come to NY. That’s called courting him and all teams do that to an extent to bring high profile players of varying degrees. Can you imagine NY telling a disgruntled Rodgers he’d have zero say in any personnel matters? All teams do that including the Packers. How do you think we acquired Cobb several years ago? That had Rodgers approval stamped all over it.

rodgers was willing to take a salary cut in exchange for a fully guaranteed contract - something the packers never would have done.

Where are you getting these insinuations it does not jive at all with the facts of Rodgers very last fully guaranteed contract.

From ESPN (regarding 2022-2023)
“The reigning two-time league MVP will make $41.95 million this season, which is fully guaranteed in the form of a $40.8 million roster bonus (which will be treated as a signing bonus for salary-cap purposes) and a base salary of $1.15 million. His 2023 pay of $59.465 million also is guaranteed”


That would be like us refusing his offering to play in 2024 for around $10-15mil (Factoring slight time value as a current $37.5mil per now is like a $33mil per year just a couple years ago)
I highly doubt the Packers would’ve refuse that offer.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Jordan Love has looked remarkably comfortable running LeFleur's offense this preseason, time will tell how it translates to regular season. My guess is that he will struggle at times but that he and the young receivers/tight ends have a chance to evolve into something special here in Green Bay....In many ways this is going to be one of the most interesting seasons in Titletown in a long time.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Jordan Love has looked remarkably comfortable running LeFleur's offense this preseason, time will tell how it translates to regular season. My guess is that he will struggle at times but that he and the young receivers/tight ends have a chance to evolve into something special here in Green Bay....In many ways this is going to be one of the most interesting seasons in Titletown in a long time.

100% agree. I was looking back at Rodgers 2008 Season, just to get a feel for how he came out of the gate in his 4th year, but 1st year as a starter. His preseason started bumpy and then he settled in. His regular season was up and down as well, but overall good. Amazing how close most of the Packer losses were in 2008, 7 of their 10 losses were by 4 points or less.

https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/green-bay-packers/results/2008

 

[OldSchool101]

Jordan Love has looked remarkably comfortable running LeFleur's offense this preseason, time will tell how it translates to regular season. My guess is that he will struggle at times but that he and the young receivers/tight ends have a chance to evolve into something special here in Green Bay....In many ways this is going to be one of the most interesting seasons in Titletown in a long time.

Yeah. I think that’s part of the excitement for us, we’re not used to QB change much around here.
While it’s very preliminary, I think it’s clear that Jordan Love has refined his craft since Joining the Packers 3.5 seasons ago. Obviously the tough part is we lost most of his Rookie deal, however if he looks adequate or better his $$ is still cheap. We get an extra year at $23Mil which is near half of what a good starter would get (except Aaron Rodgers $$ he’s now the New York discount double check guy!).

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Obviously the tough part is we lost most of his Rookie deal, however if he looks adequate or better his $$ is still cheap.

I know a former poster that used to preach this all the time. I still think it is was an inflated argument, one used to argue that Love was drafted too early. How many Rookie QB's are really tearing it up in year 1 or even 2? Sure, if you CAN get that kind of performance out of a rookie QB in his first 4-5 seasons, then it is awesome and easy on the cap, if you can keep him on that rookie deal.

Mahomes proved to be a really good QB in his 2nd year. After his 3rd season the Chiefs picked up his 5th year option. A month later, they gave him a brand new deal, a 10 year extension worth $477 million with another $26 million in potential bonuses for a total of $503 million. That wasn't that cheap of a rookie QB after all.

 

[tynimiller]

We may have lost out on some of his rookie deal, but with the extension we did, we didn't have to use one large chunk 5th year option either.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

We may have lost out on some of his rookie deal, but with the extension we did, we didn't have to use one large chunk 5th year option either.

Exactly and if Love has a huge 2023, he and the Packers may redo it all and lock him up for years to come.

Cheap contracts are great, but they generally don't last long. Just like overpaid contracts, one side of the deal usually has a way to make it very uncomfortable for the other and the player is waived or the deal is redone.

 

[OldSchool101]

Exactly and if Love has a huge 2023, he and the Packers may redo it all and lock him up for years to come.

Cheap contracts are great, but they generally don't last long. Just like overpaid contracts, one side of the deal usually has a way to make it very uncomfortable for the other and the player is waived or the deal is redone.

Relax. Im sorry you had ill feelings on some past argument with another poster that isn’t here anymore. I can not change the past and that person can go jump in a lake.
I can only comment or offer my opinion on current information. I can’t change the pat or assume the future. Sorry bro but Jordan’s 2023-2024 $$$ is cheap cheap cheap! I know that had to hurt!!

PS. Although his 3.3Mil this year is washed by Rodgers sunk $$$. But even $23m is cheap for a starting QB past their Rookie deal. $13mil is cheap for dead $$ too if he doesn’t work out. It’s all cheap cheap cheap cheap

 

[Poppa San]

It’s all cheap cheap cheap cheap

This is about Green Bay, not River City.