The Jordan Love Era Begins

[Schultz]

Well, you could look at history and how Rodgers stated the slight on draft day is what spurred him to achieve success and how he wanted to rub his success in the noses of the rest of the GMs in the NFL. Then you have to think of how Rodgers expressed himself how upset he was when the Packers picked Love. Then you have to apply what you learned of Rodgers from the first situation to the 2nd.

Then you have to watch the games and note Rodger's play over those seasons in an objective manner. Note his mannerisms, scowls, and attitude.

If you want, you can listen to journalists who are talking to players, coaches, and others who have reported a similar sentiment. To a degree that is obvious and accepted by most.

Or you can just ignore all of those (and more) and just contunually make excuses for Rodgers followed by repeating the mantra "Rodgers is a HOF QB".

Rodgers is a 1st ballot HOF QB.

 

[Schultz]

Again. Tee Higgins in his rookie season was about Lazards best season. Those guys were like 300 yards apart across a 17 game season. You’re telling me that a slight upgrade from Lazard is going to make a significant difference. I doubt that in 2020. But very slightly possible ok.
I doubt it even more in 2021 where we were in Brutal weather and it significantly damaged the passing game. When is the last time 2 playoff teams had a total of 104 plays on Offense combined? Or when is the last time a playoff team has a punt blocked for 7 points at home? How about factor those 2 together.

I already said Tee is more impactful than a QB2. That’s a no brainer for back then. That was then, this is now, it’s Jordan Love time.

What if T. Higgins caught a 1st down pass and the Pack didn't have to punt out of their own endzone?

 

[Half Empty]

Rodgers is a 1st ballot HOF QB.

Where has anyone denied that?

 

[Schultz]

I was just correcting Amish on what our mantra is.

 

[pacmaniac]

Or how about LaJarius Sneed with that 4th round pick that was used in the trade. Maybe Kevin King is not on the field in the TB loss if GB has Sneed.

Doubt it. GB had Tramon Williams active for that game, but he played zero snaps.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I already said Tee is more impactful than a QB2. That’s a no brainer for back then. That was then, this is now, it’s Jordan Love time.

There are lots of draft picks the Packers could have been made in 2020 or prior, that helps them more in the present, than the future. There were also lots of Free Agents that probably improve the Packers even more, than a rookie in 2020. Hell, had they drafted Gabriel Davis, instead of Deguara, they would have been better off. Yet, some won't acknowledge that Gute drafted Love for the future and went into the 2020 Season fully expecting to compete for a Super Bowl, which they did. Let's be narrow minded and blame it all on the Love pick and not the 50 other moves that would have improved the team.

Fans that think only inside of a small box and nothing about future needs, are the same ones that probably hated the Favre trade and the Rodgers draft pick.

 

[Schultz]

Or they could have liked the Favre trade and the Rodgers pick, yet somehow did not like all 3 of the first picks in 2020. IMO in life some wonderful things come in small boxes.

 

[rmontro]

No. Not at all. I was just pointing out that if you were going to criticize the GM for picking Love there should have certainly been as much or even more outrage for picking Rodgers back in 2005. There was some but not nearly what we hear now.

I do recall there being quite a bit of criticism over the Rodgers pick. But if there wasn't as much, it could be because Rodgers was seen as a possible #1 overall pick and best quarterback in the draft, but the 49ers decided to draft Alex Smith.

 

[milani]

I do recall there being quite a bit of criticism over the Rodgers pick. But if there wasn't as much, it could be because Rodgers was seen as a possible #1 overall pick and best quarterback in the draft, but the 49ers decided to draft Alex Smith.

Yes. There was some criticism because the team was so weak on the defensive side of the ball. TT had to feel that if the 9ers took Smith he may be getting a steal in Rodgers. But actually both were very close and passed up early in the draft. Just think that the Bears are starting Rex Grossman at that time and prior to 2005 they had not had much success since Ditka left. QBs must not have been in demand. But I think the criticism was not as over blown as now because Brett Favre did not make a big deal out of it. He once said that at some point another QB will start for the Green Bay Packers.

 

[Mondio]

I think this one is just more fresh in your mind. There was criticism from the moment Rodgers was selected and every year after until the change was finally made and then there were protests at the stadium, T-shirts, bumper stickers, websites, etc all in favor of Favre. Fans showed up to training camp and chanted "Bring back Brett!". There was hardly anything low key or cordial about the whole ordeal compared to this time around.

 

[milani]

I think this one is just more fresh in your mind. There was criticism from the moment Rodgers was selected and every year after until the change was finally made and then there were protests at the stadium, T-shirts, bumper stickers, websites, etc all in favor of Favre. Fans showed up to training camp and chanted "Bring back Brett!". There was hardly anything low key or cordial about the whole ordeal compared to this time around.

Yes. But bring back Brett did not happen until Rodgers took over. It was not the case in 2005-2007. And Favre came back and beat us twice in 2009. Maybe what you are suggesting could mean we will see bring back ARod signs.

 

[longtimefan]

Holy crap

Little kids were giving rodgers the finger at tc

A guy on video is telling Thompson aaron will take us to the toilet bowl

There was sooooo much backlash

Hell even a fire ted web site was made

 

[AmishMafia]

Holy crap

Little kids were giving rodgers the finger at tc

A guy on video is telling Thompson aaron will take us to the toilet bowl

There was sooooo much backlash

Hell even a fire ted web site was made

That's how I remember it. Forums were so full of vitriol, it was pathetic. Every thread degenerated to full on character assassination of Thompson.

 

[Mondio]

Yes. But bring back Brett did not happen until Rodgers took over. It was not the case in 2005-2007. And Favre came back and beat us twice in 2009. Maybe what you are suggesting could mean we will see bring back ARod signs.

No, I don’t think there will be any bring back Aaron signs unless Love falls flat on his face and even then I think they’d be few and far between.

There have been a lot of similarities between the 2, but I don’t think the reactions of the fan base have been all that similar. From draft day until today I think this time around has been a lot more low key from a fan base perspective

 

[OldSchool101]

What if T. Higgins caught a 1st down pass and the Pack didn't have to punt out of their own endzone?

Then we would’ve punted from the 8 yard line and ST would’ve given up a TD just the same.

Tee Higgins does not erase our ST blunders going back years.
What if Tee Higgins was Receiving the Punt Bostick blundered. Would that also make ST better? 2021 ST has nothing to do with Tee getting a 1st down or Vice versa.
2021 ST would still screw us imo

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Sure, Tee Higgins or whatever could’ve helped us win an extra game. I thinks it’s still highly unlikely he puts us over the top to win a SB in his 900 yard rookie season though (2020). But is it possible? Yes. In my best guess I’d say a 10-20% chance we Win a SB in a do over.

Dude, if the Packers win an extra game in 2020 (the NFCCG) they're playing in the Super Bowl. I'm convinced they would have beaten the Chiefs that year.

In 2021 we didn’t even make it past the Divisional. While that was a WR like Tee best chance? If you recall we were playing in very harsh conditions. We watched 2 of the best players in the league struggle. Kittle and Adams even struggled.
George Kittle was the leading SF receiver with 63 yards. Davante Adams had 90. If you’re trying to sell me that Tee Higgins was going to push that score from 13-10 up? Both teams combined for
306 yards total (average 153 yards)

Actually both teams combined for a total of 475 yards in that game. I have no idea how Higgins would have affected the outcome but he would have provided more help than Love.

Those relatively low numbers are evidence of adverse weather. Rookie Tee Higgins isn’t better than Kittle or Adams and him in the passing game is unlikely to have some dramatic impact in that phase.

Just for the record, Higgins was in his second season that year.

Opponents probably don’t even care about that J’aire stuff. That’s if they even heard it.

I'm absolutely convinced opponents took notice of it.

If you want, you can listen to journalists who are talking to players, coaches, and others who have reported a similar sentiment. To a degree that is obvious and accepted by most.

It's only obvious and accepted by fans who need a reason to justify the selection of Love.

Again. Tee Higgins in his rookie season was about Lazards best season. Those guys were like 300 yards apart across a 17 game season. You’re telling me that a slight upgrade from Lazard is going to make a significant difference. I doubt that in 2020. But very slightly possible ok.
I doubt it even more in 2021 where we were in Brutal weather and it significantly damaged the passing game. When is the last time 2 playoff teams had a total of 104 plays on Offense combined? Or when is the last time a playoff team has a punt blocked for 7 points at home? How about factor those 2 together.

Higgins put up 900 yards in more or less 14 games as a rookie while catching passes from a rookie quarterback in Burrow who struggled in his first season as well as Brandon Allen and Ryan Finley after Burrow was lost for the season. I guess he could have made a difference with the MVP throwing him the ball that year. In my opinion he would have presented a decent upgrade over Lazard who had 451 receiving yards that year (no idea why you compare it to his performance in 2022 when he was the #1 WR on the depth chart for most of the season).

The 2019 Chiefs were the last team before the Packers to have a punt blocked and returned for a touchdown. Of course, that didn't prevent them from winning the Super Bowl that year. You're right that a total of only 106 offensive plays in a game is a pretty low number.

Yet, some won't acknowledge that Gute drafted Love for the future and went into the 2020 Season fully expecting to compete for a Super Bowl, which they did. Let's be narrow minded and blame it all on the Love pick and not the 50 other moves that would have improved the team.

Fans that think only inside of a small box and nothing about future needs, are the same ones that probably hated the Favre trade and the Rodgers draft pick.

There's absolutely no doubt that Gutekunst selected Love as a move for the future. Some of us are arguing that he should have focused on the present at that point though.

Then we would’ve punted from the 8 yard line and ST would’ve given up a TD just the same.

Or the Packers would have marched down the field and put the game away by scoring a touchdown. Nobody knows.

What if Tee Higgins was Receiving the Punt Bostick blundered. Would that also make ST better? 2021 ST has nothing to do with Tee getting a 1st down or Vice versa.
2021 ST would still screw us imo

Higgins wasn't around in 2014 though. The special teams wouldn't have gotten a chance to screw the Packers if they wouldn't have had to punt at that point in the first place.

 

[milani]

No, I don’t think there will be any bring back Aaron signs unless Love falls flat on his face and even then I think they’d be few and far between.

There have been a lot of similarities between the 2, but I don’t think the reactions of the fan base have been all that similar. From draft day until today I think this time around has been a lot more low key from a fan base perspective

Well. That tells you there is a difference in fan appreciation up until now between Favre and Rodgers. Favre brought a team that was all but dead for 25 years except for a few deep breaths to the pinnacle of pro football. He became the face of the franchise. There was only one losing season in all his time in Green Bay which happened to be in Thompson's inaugural. The anger was directed at TT for allowing the team to collapse in 2005. But Favre's success continued for 2 more seasons. And he departed from a team that was one play away from the SB. That is when the dam broke. Favre actually wanted to remain a Packer at the time of his departure. Rodgers did not. There is a difference between reacting to simply drafting a rookie QB in the first round and reacting to replacing your HOF QB 3 seasons later. I believe media plays a strong role in selling fan base opinion. They needed a story back in 2008 and they needed one now. But I will again point out that Lombardi selected in the first round at #25 of the 1967 draft a QB named Don Horn right after Starr was named League MVP and destined for the HOF. Neither Starr, nor Lombardi, nor any Packer player, nor the fan base, nor the media made a big deal of it. The drafting of Love has been treated by media as an insult to Rodgers instead of a GM addressing his future roster needs.

 

[PikeBadger]

I think part of that started when he played a lot of that season with a undisclosed knee injury he had taken care of that offseason. I suspected a tibial plateau injury, bruise at the very least, which prevented him from really stepping into stuff or using his front plant leg much at all and that motion carried over so he had to re-train himself.

That may certainly have had an effect but he had been showing signs of sloppy mechanics for about 3 years. It seemed to me to get continuously worse as time went on but that may be because I was noticing it more often. I certainly am not qualified to be a QB coach at any level.

 

[Mondio]

That may certainly have had an effect but he had been showing signs of sloppy mechanics for about 3 years. It seemed to me to get continuously worse as time went on but that may be because I was noticing it more often. I certainly am not qualified to be a QB coach at any level.

There was probably some of that too, nobody is immune from a certain level of complacency, not even uber competitive QB's like Rodgers. It's always a good practice to sit back and evaluate from a distance every so often, whether it be your mechanics as a QB, your relationship with your spouse, you daily routine, etc.


Reality is, all of it probably pushed him to re-evaluate because something wasn't working for him.

 

[AmishMafia]

There was probably some of that too, nobody is immune from a certain level of complacency, not even uber competitive QB's like Rodgers. It's always a good practice to sit back and evaluate from a distance every so often, whether it be your mechanics as a QB, your relationship with your spouse, you daily routine, etc.


Reality is, all of it probably pushed him to re-evaluate because something wasn't working for him.

Something I noticed, Rodgers, a first ballot HOFer, used to throw with his feet off the ground. The last few years as his deep throws got less easy, he began keeping 1 or 2 feet on the ground. Rodgers, a first ballot HOFer, needed the push off to generate the necessary power to make some of those throws. The change in mechanics maybe affected his accuracy and I think Rodgers, a first ballot HOFer, shied away from a lot of the throws he normally attempted.

 

[Mondio]

I saw him make plenty of throws to Adams and Lazard when on the field that were just like his old throws. I think it had more to do with rhythm and synch with young guys or guys not doing their job in the offense that made him shy from certain throws than anything.

 

[AmishMafia]

I saw him make plenty of throws to Adams and Lazard when on the field that were just like his old throws. I think it had more to do with rhythm and synch with young guys or guys not doing their job in the offense that made him shy from certain throws than anything.

At times. But I saw more adjusted routes by Adams and Lazard than any receiver needed to do in the past. He still made some great passes, but in his prime, Rodgers, a first ballot HOFer, made most of his passes accurately.

Sync/rhythm issue doesn't explain passing up open WRs, in a fully developed route.

 

[PikeBadger]

Dude, if the Packers win an extra game in 2020 (the NFCCG) they're playing in the Super Bowl. I'm convinced they would have beaten the Chiefs that year.



Actually both teams combined for a total of 475 yards in that game. I have no idea how Higgins would have affected the outcome but he would have provided more help than Love.



Just for the record, Higgins was in his second season that year.



I'm absolutely convinced opponents took notice of it.



It's only obvious and accepted by fans who need a reason to justify the selection of Love.



Higgins put up 900 yards in more or less 14 games as a rookie while catching passes from a rookie quarterback in Burrow who struggled in his first season as well as Brandon Allen and Ryan Finley after Burrow was lost for the season. I guess he could have made a difference with the MVP throwing him the ball that year. In my opinion he would have presented a decent upgrade over Lazard who had 451 receiving yards that year (no idea why you compare it to his performance in 2022 when he was the #1 WR on the depth chart for most of the season).

The 2019 Chiefs were the last team before the Packers to have a punt blocked and returned for a touchdown. Of course, that didn't prevent them from winning the Super Bowl that year. You're right that a total of only 106 offensive plays in a game is a pretty low number.



There's absolutely no doubt that Gutekunst selected Love as a move for the future. Some of us are arguing that he should have focused on the present at that point though.

I'm arguing that "drafting for the present" with the 30th pick is the act of a desperate fool trying to save his job. I argue that you can find a better "now player" in the 3rd week of free agency that will provide more immediate help than you most likely will with the 30th pick.

 

[PikeBadger]

Something I noticed, Rodgers, a first ballot HOFer, used to throw with his feet off the ground. The last few years as his deep throws got less easy, he began keeping 1 or 2 feet on the ground. Rodgers, a first ballot HOFer, needed the push off to generate the necessary power to make some of those throws. The change in mechanics maybe affected his accuracy and I think Rodgers, a first ballot HOFer, shied away from a lot of the throws he normally attempted.

His long passing accuracy in 2020 was absolutely incredible. It wasn't anywhere close to that in 2021 and I'm still not sure why that is. The 21 offense was no way near as efficient as that incredible 20 offense.

 

[tynimiller]

I shared elsewhere with the attached picture:

He may succeed as a QB.

He may fail as a QB.

He will however I bet continue to succeed as a man I pray.

I’m telling you though so far this young man, well beyond his time in the NFL has been someone you can safely call a roll model.

He understands the I Am Second lifestyle…and has worn wristband reminders ever since his college days.

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