The Jordan Love Era Begins

[Mondio]

No, using the standard that anybody not happy with the pick somehow wouldn't be happy if he went on to win 4 more super bowls they'd still say he shouldn't have been picked. You know that same hyperbolic ******** so many use so often when someone else see's it differently.

He was simply pointing out, he could be half that successful as how some of you would claim would still leave him complaining and he'd think it was a rousing success. Half.

 

[AmishMafia]

You're the one resorting to strawman arguments when trying to ignore that Love hasn't had any impact since being drafted by the Packers so far.

Let's use PFR's approximate value to put it into perspective (As a disclaimer, I'm well aware the metric isn't perfect but it's better than any other out there I have access to).

According to those numbers there were a total of 1,549 out of 1,635 (94.74%) first round picks since 1966 who had bigger impact than Love in the first three seasons in the league. Since the rookie wage scale was implented in 2011 309 out 319 (96.87%) first rounders had a bigger impact.

So please, stop acting as if it's not a fact that nearly every other player picked at that spot would have had a larger impact than Love in his first three seasons in the league.

I dont think you know what 'strawman argument' means.

"A straw man fallacy involves the deliberate distortion of another person's argument. By oversimplifying or exaggerating it, the other party creates an easy-to-refute argument and then attacks it."

As far as impact of Jordan Love, you have statistics to support your view that he has had no impact.

I have my perception and judgement that picking Love motivated Rodgers to perform better. I also have knowledgable football people close to the situation who have expressed a similar opinion.

Neither of us can prove our opinions as the truth lies in the brain of Rodgers.

 

[Firethorn1001]

No, using the standard that anybody not happy with the pick somehow wouldn't be happy if he went on to win 4 more super bowls they'd still say he shouldn't have been picked. You know that same hyperbolic ******** so many use so often when someone else see's it differently.

I never said they wouldn't be happy. I stated they would say "Ya but.."

No matter the success of Love, there will be people that will die on the hill of 'Jordan Love should have never been drafted'. I don't think this is any great insight.

That's the last word I'll say on it. It's pointless because everyone is pretty much entrenched in their position.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I never said they wouldn't be happy. I stated they would say "Ya but.."

No matter the success of Love, there will be people that will die on the hill of 'Jordan Love should have never been drafted'. I don't think this is any great insight.

That's the last word I'll say on it. It's pointless because everyone is pretty much entrenched in their position.

There were people who were upset when Green Bay "wasted" a first-round draft pick on Rodgers as well.


As they say, if you listen to the fans, you'll end up sitting with them.

 

[Krabs]

I haven't been hearing great things about Love's performance in OTA's. The local guys on the radio have been saying he is been very up and down. Inconsistent. Obviously, games are not won in OTA's, but I'd rather be hearing that he is tearing it up as opposed to inconsistent.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

I'm not worried in the least about any OTA report, other than an injury report. We don't know if MLF is asking Love to do things in OTA's to push his comfortable zone, asking him to do things he normally would not do.

 

[Mondio]

better for mistakes in practice, same as Rodgers did early on. Find weaknesses in practice, work on them, play to strengths in games. I'm not making much of reports now, they don't mean much. we'll find out what it all means soon enough.

 

[Mondio]

I never said they wouldn't be happy. I stated they would say "Ya but.."

No matter the success of Love, there will be people that will die on the hill of 'Jordan Love should have never been drafted'. I don't think this is any great insight.

That's the last word I'll say on it. It's pointless because everyone is pretty much entrenched in their position.

you're probably be right, there will always be some. Though I'd imagine it will be many fewer after 4 super bowl wins saying "ya, but" vs the number of "ya, but's" we'll hear if he ends up less than good.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I'm not worried in the least about any OTA report, other than an injury report. We don't know if MLF is asking Love to do things in OTA's to push his comfortable zone, asking him to do things he normally would not do.

I would also imagine that Love is working with quite a few different players, including guys that won't even be on the team come Sept. I wouldn't expect to see Love tearing it up in OTA's. Nor do I expect him to be tearing it up in the preseason or the regular season for that matter. Hopefully, what we will see, is a developing young QB, that by the end of 2023, the Packers are pretty sure is their QB for many years to come.

Those fans expecting Jordan Love to instantly look like Aaron Rodgers are going to be pretty disappointed.

 

[AmishMafia]

I thought I heard the first practice he had some poor throws early then was doing better. Other practices he was generally pretty sharp.

 

[OldSchool101]

I will gladly admit that the PACKERS should have drafted Love if he wins 2 SBs for the Green Bay Packers.

Wait a second!
I thought you said Superbowls didn’t matter to you?
What exactly happened here

 

[Krabs]

I'm not worried in the least about any OTA report, other than an injury report. We don't know if MLF is asking Love to do things in OTA's to push his comfortable zone, asking him to do things he normally would not do.

better for mistakes in practice, same as Rodgers did early on. Find weaknesses in practice, work on them, play to strengths in games. I'm not making much of reports now, they don't mean much. we'll find out what it all means soon enough.

Like I said, games are not won at OTA's. However, I would much rather hear that he is making all the throws and looks consistent. All it is is offseason chatter anyway.

 

[Poppa San]

That's the last word I'll say on it. It's pointless because everyone is pretty much entrenched in their position.

I wish more posters in this thread realized this 20 pages ago. And didn't spread it across half a dozen other threads. But it did keep the board more active than the past few seasons during the off season.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

You must have been suicidal after the Packers selected Rodgers in 2005. They were coming off of a 10-6 season, that saw them win the NFC North. The last thing they needed to do was waste a first round pick on Aaron Rodgers! Just as you undoubtedly predicted, they finished Rodgers rookie year at 4-12...damn do nothing Rodgers, he cost them a SB!

You think that 10-6 team was a legit Super Bowl contender? My friend, you are far more optimistic than I.

 

[Schultz]

So using that standard, they never should have drafted Rodgers or traded for Favre?

If Love plays above average and has a long career in GB, I would call him a really solid pick. If Love can guide the Packers to a SB and/or a lot of successful seasons, I would call him a great pick.

I was replying to someone who said the anti-Love pickers wouldn't even admit it was a good pick if he won 4 SBs. I felt I was being very gracious cutting that amount in half. My bad I forgot the TIC.

 

[Schultz]

I wish more posters in this thread realized this 20 pages ago. And didn't spread it across half a dozen other threads. But it did keep the board more active than the past few seasons during the off season.

You are welcome. TIC.

 

[Schultz]

I dont think you know what 'strawman argument' means.

"A straw man fallacy involves the deliberate distortion of another person's argument. By oversimplifying or exaggerating it, the other party creates an easy-to-refute argument and then attacks it."

As far as impact of Jordan Love, you have statistics to support your view that he has had no impact.

I have my perception and judgement that picking Love motivated Rodgers to perform better. I also have knowledgable football people close to the situation who have expressed a similar opinion.

Neither of us can prove our opinions as the truth lies in the brain of Rodgers.

If you include the word brain in your message, that makes it a scarecrow argument. I also easily confuse strawmen with scarecrows since they are both made of straw. TIC.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You think that 10-6 team was a legit Super Bowl contender? My friend, you are far more optimistic than I.

I guess you forgot that the 2010 Packers went 10-6, before going on to win The Superbowl? No optimism or pessimism there, just facts.

 

[Mondio]

But you were talking about the 2004 team that went 10-6 and got their ***** kicked by the Vikings in round 1 the season before they drafted Rodgers. and he specifically said THAT 10-6 team was not a Super Bowl contender. That is also a fact.

They followed up that campaign with a 4-12 or something? It was not a Super Bowl roster, also fact.

Mradtke put it perfectly earlier, the rosters and the teams seemed to be in very different places when the heir apparents were selected. One old, aging out of the league and in need of a reset, the other with an arrow pointing up

 

[JK64]

Not sure why Stokes and Wyatt made the list. Stokes was very impressive his first year and the 2nd started slowly then he got injured. Wyatt looked very impressive in limited snaps. I am more impressed with his rookie year than Clark's. Took Clark about 3 years to really show he was going to be special.


Great list. Who would the anti-Love pick crowd (formerly known as the anti-Rodgers pick crowd back in the Favre days) rather have than Love? Trade up for Trey Lance? Take Will Levis and play a rookie this season? And don't say Brock Purdy, nobody saw that coming.

But you have to understand, it's not about the Packers and their success - it's about a player to them.

Both Baily Zappe and Mac Jones have won NFL games. The jury is still out on Love, and it may take a couple of years to know for sure.

 

[JK64]

The great thing about being perpetually angered about draft picks is that, without a string of Super Bowl victories, you can always point to something you didn't like to continue the cycle. If Love wasn't the pick and it was someone else, I'm sure the narrative would be 'If only they took X position' if they didn't make the Super Bowl.

I'm more annoyed at their inability to get nothing out of the 3rd round for years rather than pondering what may or may not have occurred with some random backend 1st round pick in 1 single year.

Let's face it. The Packers blew it big time not winning more than one SB with a QB of Rodgers' talent.

 

[JK64]

Those fans expecting Jordan Love to instantly look like Aaron Rodgers are going to be pretty disappointed.

That really would be insane, as Rodgers' is one of the greatest of all time. Us older guys may never see anyone as good on the Packers.

 

[longtimefan]

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[pacmaniac]

I haven't been hearing great things about Love's performance in OTA's. The local guys on the radio have been saying he is been very up and down. Inconsistent. Obviously, games are not won in OTA's, but I'd rather be hearing that he is tearing it up as opposed to inconsistent.

Pat Mahomes threw 7 picks in his first 6 training camps as a rookie.

 

[pacmaniac]

You think that 10-6 team was a legit Super Bowl contender? My friend, you are far more optimistic than I.

Wow, you don't even remember the 2010 season.