Studs n Duds vs The Vikings

[JKramer64]

Washington wins in OT. Looks like a trip to Philly in 2 weeks.

 

[adambr2]

Went from riding high talking about a Super Bowl to looking at a likely early playoff exit in Philly within the span of 6 days. Not so easy when you’re not facing Spencer Rattler and Sam Howell.

 

[JKramer64]

Maybe Big Mike in Dallas can get his team ready and help the Packers by upsetting Washinton next week. They did beat Tampa Bay a couple weeks ago. Anything is possible, I suppose.

MLF needs to hold out his injured players again and maybe rest a few starters. Gotta have a healthy team going into the playoffs.

 

[rmontro]

Went from riding high talking about a Super Bowl to looking at a likely early playoff exit in Philly within the span of 6 days. Not so easy when you’re not facing Spencer Rattler and Sam Howell.

Good point. I can't remember when my opinion about the Packers changed so much from one week to another just from one game. I'm not saying it's hopeless, but we looked completely outclassed. And yet, if not for the ref's ticky tacky call on their FG, or if MLF had kicked the FG instead of going for it, who knows? I think MLF was trying to emulate the Lions when he went for it on fourth down. But I guess we're not the Lions.

 

[adambr2]

Huge dud: Lukas Van Ness. With Preston traded, it’s been LVN’s time to step up and he couldn’t have shrunk more today when we needed him.

Hugely disappointing pick from Gute. When you rarely pick as high as #13 and whiff on it, it’s going to get you back.

This team can’t win the Super Bowl if they can’t figure out how to generate pressure with their front 4.

 

[OldSchool101]

I don't give them much credit for the last half quarter. Those were just garbage time TD's. Rather meaningless.

Right. Minnesota had it so in the bag they just laid down and let us get within 2 points outside the 2-minute warning.
Had that last QB hit been a fumble. It was Darn close. That would’ve 99% been a GB Win. Please don’t tell me that was planned we’ve been on the other Winning side either McCarthy a billion times and nearly or actually did lose the game.

 

[adambr2]

Right. Minnesota had it so in the bag they just laid down and let us get within 2 points outside the 2-minute warning.
Had that last QB hit been a fumble. It was Darn close. That would’ve 99% been a GB Win. Please don’t tell me that was planned we’ve been on the other Winning side either McCarthy a billion times and nearly lost the game.

I get where you’re coming from, but it was very similar to the first game where Minnesota dominated for 50 plus minutes only to let off the gas too early.

It’s great to see our guys keep fighting, but defenses and schemes change with a big late lead. You can’t look at this in the same lens as a 27-25 game that was back and forth the entire game, the context just isn’t the same.

 

[BrokenArrow]

He has the look and resume of a modern day Marty Schottenheimer, an excellent regular season coach who gets consistently outcoached in the biggest games against the best teams when the stakes are highest.

Rodgers single-handedly pissed away several playoff games.

 

[Firethorn1001]

People at least need to be consistent. If the other team allows the Packers to close it to 2 points late "Eh.. garbage time. No chance. Whatever". Packers do it "They have no killer instinct! They stink! Allowing the other team to do that!"

 

[BrokenArrow]

I get where you’re coming from, but it was very similar to the first game where Minnesota dominated for 50 plus minutes only to let off the gas too early.

It’s great to see our guys keep fighting, but defenses and schemes change with a big late lead. You can’t look at this in the same lens as a 27-25 game that was back and forth the entire game, the context just isn’t the same.

It can't be understated how much being without Jaire and Williams has limited our options on defense. Gotta draft or sign a top CB though.

 

[BrokenArrow]

People at least need to be consistent. If the other team allows the Packers to close it to 2 points late "Eh.. garbage time. No chance. Whatever". Packers do it "They have no killer instinct! They stink! Allowing the other team to do that!"

Self-flagellation is a long Packer tradition.

 

[Firethorn1001]

He has the look and resume of a modern day Marty Schottenheimer, an excellent regular season coach who gets consistently outcoached in the biggest games against the best teams when the stakes are highest.

You text that into 97.3? I swore I remember them saying something about 'Adam texted in...' then something about Schottenheimer....

 

[OldSchool101]

I get where you’re coming from, but it was very similar to the first game where Minnesota dominated for 50 plus minutes only to let off the gas too early.

It’s great to see our guys keep fighting, but defenses and schemes change with a big late lead. You can’t look at this in the same lens as a 27-25 game that was back and forth the entire game, the context just isn’t the same.

I disagree. Not nearly as out of hand to the first game. But you saying it’s the same situation tells me why you think the Vikings gave up. They didn’t shut down at all.

In Week 4 the Vikings were Winning 28-7 with 5 minutes left in the 3rd (+21)
In Week 17 the Vikings were winning 20-10 at 5:00 clock in the 3rd Quarter.(+10).

It was a 9 point game with over 6 minutes remaining and All timeouts. It felt bad because our expectations were we should’ve been closer which that part is true.

I Will offer that missing Watson makes a difference. Melton is Fun but he’s not the big play that #9 is.

 

[milani]

Stud:MLF for not playing all his Aces b4 the play-offs

Dud:MLF for not having a clue on how to beat a top team and substandard playcalling/managing a game.

The managing part I concur. The clue. He knew what to do. Just did not have the talent to get it done.

 

[milani]

Very frustrating 3 quarters. No pressure. Well, the vikings got pressure.

The Vikings and Lions along with Philly have great offensive lines which is a lot of why their QBs are so successful. KC and Buffalo the same, although those 2 teams have a QB that can adlib so as to mask a flaw or mistake. To get pressure enough on these teams you would need a Pro Bowler or future HOFer like a Reggie White. Or you would have to be heavy on DLs in order to constantly rotate in and out. It is easy to see why we smothered the Seahawks and Saints. Lesser protection, lesser QBs.

 

[adambr2]

You text that into 97.3? I swore I remember them saying something about 'Adam texted in...' then something about Schottenheimer....

No, I don’t listen to 97.3.

 

[adambr2]

I disagree. Not nearly as out of hand to the first game. But you saying it’s the same situation tells me why you think the Vikings gave up. They didn’t shut down at all.

In Week 4 the Vikings were Winning 28-7 with 5 minutes left in the 3rd (+21)
In Week 17 the Vikings were winning 20-10 at 5:00 clock in the 3rd Quarter.(+10).

It was a 9 point game with over 6 minutes remaining and All timeouts. It felt bad because our expectations were we should’ve been closer which that part is true.

I Will offer that missing Watson makes a difference. Melton is Fun but he’s not the big play that #9 is.

There is a difference between “giving up” and going into a conservative

I disagree. Not nearly as out of hand to the first game. But you saying it’s the same situation tells me why you think the Vikings gave up. They didn’t shut down at all.

In Week 4 the Vikings were Winning 28-7 with 5 minutes left in the 3rd (+21)
In Week 17 the Vikings were winning 20-10 at 5:00 clock in the 3rd Quarter.(+10).

It was a 9 point game with over 6 minutes remaining and All timeouts. It felt bad because our expectations were we should’ve been closer which that part is true.

I Will offer that missing Watson makes a difference. Melton is Fun but he’s not the big play that #9 is.

Just because you’re not “giving up” doesn’t mean you’re playing the same defense with 6 minutes left in a 17 point game as you would be with 6 minutes left in a 3 point game.

They did almost nothing against Minnesota’s defense until that last half quarter.

 

[tahoebum]

Good point. I can't remember when my opinion about the Packers changed so much from one week to another just from one game. I'm not saying it's hopeless, but we looked completely outclassed. And yet, if not for the ref's ticky tacky call on their FG, or if MLF had kicked the FG instead of going for it, who knows? I think MLF was trying to emulate the Lions when he went for it on fourth down. But I guess we're not the Lions.

Especially dumb move against the Vikings front 7 who lead the league in stopping 4th down conversions.

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[tynimiller]

Went from riding high talking about a Super Bowl to looking at a likely early playoff exit in Philly within the span of 6 days. Not so easy when you’re not facing Spencer Rattler and Sam Howell.

I just don't understand this logic, yes you're right tons of folks out there let one game dictate their opinion....shoot many fans are out there doing that every single week. Fact is where I see us presently didn't change at all over the last couple weeks, shoot really the last four or so weeks. When Love is cooking, we get our health back on defense - this team is a team capable of beating anyone. That doesn't mean they've proven they're the best, they're right there with the Rams for the fourth best in the NFC - and each of those teams could easily catch fire and make a run.

 

[tynimiller]

There is a difference between “giving up” and going into a conservative

Just because you’re not “giving up” doesn’t mean you’re playing the same defense with 6 minutes left in a 17 point game as you would be with 6 minutes left in a 3 point game.

They did almost nothing against Minnesota’s defense until that last half quarter.

Actually very early in the game the ball was moving surprisingly easy for us...issue was fumble and stalled but I was very encouraged at first....then everything fell off the rails until second half.

 

[AmishMafia]

Stud
Cooper, Valentine, offensive line (especially Tom). Team character in fighting back from a butt kicking to make it look respectable.

Duds
Our WRs hands, jaire's knee, our slow starts, Bullard had a very rough game, Love not processing this defense quick enough but he looked better than the first game, and MLF's game plan. Packers again appeared not ready to handle their defense.

 

[DoURant]

Here's the game times for next week Packers vs Bears play at 1pm, and as I expected Vikings Vs Lions is the Sunday night late game.

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[adambr2]

I just don't understand this logic, yes you're right tons of folks out there let one game dictate their opinion....shoot many fans are out there doing that every single week. Fact is where I see us presently didn't change at all over the last couple weeks, shoot really the last four or so weeks. When Love is cooking, we get our health back on defense - this team is a team capable of beating anyone. That doesn't mean they've proven they're the best, they're right there with the Rams for the fourth best in the NFC - and each of those teams could easily catch fire and make a run.

At some point - “capable of beating anyone” — when you’re 0-5 against those “anyones”, it kind of rings hollow until you actually do it.

 

[tynimiller]

Hated rewatching the All22 on this one, but having completed it I'll go this way:

Stud
Cooper...I really think more and more Quay alongside him could be special athletically.
Valentine...man, if there is a guy that I quickly will defend actually showed a lot in a loss it is Carrington. That crosser route by Jefferson at the end that he essentially caught with one hand was crazy good coverage that not many CBs play it any better - he forced an elite level catch and throw and that is simply what happened.
Tom...Zach Tom plain and simple is our best, most consistent offensive lineman and we need to just sign him to an extension now rather than later.

Dud
Love's execution/MLF playcalls - it's hard for me to figure out which is more the issue but together was for sure our biggest offensive hurdle often.
Reed...slowly he is illustrating he is a designed touch type guy that is deadly, but he's struggling right now getting open against decent defenders.
Defensive Backfield we had to play...Jaire, Williams and then Zayne going down just makes us have to play guys out of their best positions.

 

[tynimiller]

At some point - “capable of beating anyone” — when you’re 0-5 against those “anyones”, it kind of rings hollow until you actually do it.

If we were getting blown out by the best teams I completely agree, but fact is we aren't. Until we get just throttled for a whole game against the best I'm not throwing the white flag and declaring we are terrible.