Studs n duds Niners playoffs

[AKCheese]

A great QB performance would have won both last years NFCCG and this years debacle…. Actually just semi great…. Rodgers failed to deliver both times.

 

[longtimefan]

A great QB performance would have won both last years NFCCG and this years debacle…. Actually just semi great…. Rodgers failed to deliver both times.

To expand

Just watch the other games

Tampa down how much? Brady and offense came backn

KC and Bills, allen? Who scored 4 tds as a wr? Diggs?

Patrick?

 

[BrokenArrow]

yep… both things are true. Rodgers is human and he does make mistakes. He is also one of the best QBs to have played the game.

Yes, he's one of the best to ever play, which tells me that what he did on that play was a conscious decision and not a "mistake" at all. A mistake would be not realizing Lazard was wide open. He's too good not to have seen it. I would say any NFL QB would have seen it. So what happened was worse than a mistake. It was bad judgment with him trying to be the hero instead of making the smart, obvious play.

 

[thequick12]

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Another way the special teams fckd the Packers...AJ Dillon was injured blocking on a kickoff return

He shouldnt of been on the field for that play when he was clearly needed by the offense

 

[thequick12]

Yes, he's one of the best to ever play, which tells me that what he did on that play was a conscious decision and not a "mistake" at all. A mistake would be not realizing Lazard was wide open. He's too good not to have seen it. I would say any NFL QB would have seen it. So what happened was worse than a mistake. It was bad judgment with him trying to be the hero instead of making the smart, obvious play.

To me the play stunk of frustration. It was reminiscent of something Favre would of done, he did it against the Eagles once in the playoffs

I think he had made up his mind before the snap he was taking a deep shot to davantae and just threw it up

I disagree he was trying to be the hero becas had he thrown it to Lazard it was gonna be just as big of a gainer as it was had Adams made the catch...he just missed it

 

[Mondio]

To expand

Just watch the other games

Tampa down how much? Brady and offense came backn

KC and Bills, allen? Who scored 4 tds as a wr? Diggs?

Patrick?

I did watch the other games. I saw wide open receivers on every play, Allen throwing to no names who's defenders fell down at the 10 yard line leaving them wide open in the endzone. I saw Mahomes toss to a wide open Hill with blockers in front and then a wide open Kelce. I saw Rodgers do that too, but then the chip shot kick was blocked in stead of made and our TE dropped the ball at mid field instead of making a catch like Kelce. I saw more open receivers in a series for those 2 teams than GB had in the entire game. They were exciting, but don't mistake them for really good football they were to completely different types of games.

I saw the Rams try and hand that game back. I saw Brady make crap play after crap after crap. heck before the half he skipped a ball into the endzone with Gronk at the goal line providing a huge target and the defenders to his back who wouldn't be able to make a play on the ball. he made one nice throw to Evans at the end, beautiful. Nice pocket, good protection, Best receiver on the field one on one on the outside and TD. It was great. How many times did you see that scenario in the Packer game? Expand on that too.

I also saw 4th and 9, WIDE OPEN Scotty Miller in Brady's field of view plainly and before Brady ever even though of throwing the ball with a very clean pocket, instead he forced it to the middle to his TE Brate. I saw him force it into triple coverage to Evans in the endzone. I saw all sorts of things and none of this was done in sub 10 degree temps.

Who's our Tyreek hill on Special teams that can return it 46 yards to the 15 when the team needs a spark? and our special teams? Gives up the 45 yarder to midfield when we need to make them drive the field.

 

[Mondio]

Colts fan here. You have lost 3 straight playoff games where Rodgers clearly outplayed the opposing QB and many on here continue to put a lot of the blame on him. In nearly every game a QB will miss a few throws or not make the best read. The "GOAT" had many in his recent loss as well and would've put in an awful performance if the Rams didn't tell the 2016 Falcons to hold their beer and gift him multiple TDs. Rodgers is statistically a top 5 QB all-time in the playoffs (maybe only 2nd to Mahomes at this time) and many on here think he's trash in the postseason. If you're super bowl strategy is to not protect your qb and expect him to have 3-4 straight flawless performances, you will rarely if ever win it all.

His last 2 possessions were bad (he and MLF deserve blame) but he was 19-25 for 221 yds on their 1st 8 possessions. Many dumb people thought the packers had an advantage because of the weather. The packers one advantage over the 49ers was passing the football and that is hindered when it's 0 degrees with snow coming in the 2nd half. The O-line gave up 5 sacks, a ton of pressures, 2 penalties, and paved the way for a whopping 3.4 yds/carry. Here's a quick breakdown of the packers drives.

Drive 1 - TD
Drive 2 - fumble SF 40...offense was rolling.
Drive 3 - nothing, punt
Drive 4 - 3rd and 3 and Lazard false start followed by an instant sack, punt
Drive 5 - negative run, sack, punt
Drive 6 - long pass to Jones who unnecessarily spins and doesn't get out of bounds so last TO wasted, sack, blocked FG
Drive 7 - dropped pass at 50 yd line, punt
Drive 8 - good drive to SF 5, false start, sack, FG
Drive 9 - bad rodgers and MLF
Drive 10 - bad rodgers and MLF

His teammates mistakes turned 4 potential scoring drives into 10 points. This was a game of who did the little things right and that was the 49ers. Rodgers honestly had a decent game considering the weather, lack of run game, and lack of protection. The Colts will happily exchange him for Wentz...or just give you Wentz for nothing lol.

Somebody gets it.

and a lesser QB in those conditions with that pressure turns the ball over 4+ times between fumbles and INT's. So many fans have no appreciation for tough football anymore. They think the track meets like KC and Bills are "good football". Exciting, absolutely. Good? guys falling all over, defenders running in to each other, tripping over their own feet just running wide open everywhere.

 

[Indy Fan]

A great QB performance would have won both last years NFCCG and this years debacle…. Actually just semi great…. Rodgers failed to deliver both times.

>75 completion %, 350 yds, and 3 TDs despite 5 quick sacks and several other pressures. He clearly outplayed Brady despite having significantly more pressure but unfortunately wasn't gifted a TD by his defense (Jones fumbled inside of GB 10). If Kevin King wasn't trash or Jones doesn't fumble, you win.

 

[buckthorn]

I did watch the other games. I saw wide open receivers on every play, Allen throwing to no names who's defenders fell down at the 10 yard line leaving them wide open in the endzone. I saw Mahomes toss to a wide open Hill with blockers in front and then a wide open Kelce. I saw Rodgers do that too, but then the chip shot kick was blocked in stead of made and our TE dropped the ball at mid field instead of making a catch like Kelce. I saw more open receivers in a series for those 2 teams than GB had in the entire game. They were exciting, but don't mistake them for really good football they were to completely different types of games.

I saw the Rams try and hand that game back. I saw Brady make crap play after crap after crap. heck before the half he skipped a ball into the endzone with Gronk at the goal line providing a huge target and the defenders to his back who wouldn't be able to make a play on the ball. he made one nice throw to Evans at the end, beautiful. Nice pocket, good protection, Best receiver on the field one on one on the outside and TD. It was great. How many times did you see that scenario in the Packer game? Expand on that too.

I also saw 4th and 9, WIDE OPEN Scotty Miller in Brady's field of view plainly and before Brady ever even though of throwing the ball with a very clean pocket, instead he forced it to the middle to his TE Brate. I saw him force it into triple coverage to Evans in the endzone. I saw all sorts of things and none of this was done in sub 10 degree temps.

Who's our Tyreek hill on Special teams that can return it 46 yards to the 15 when the team needs a spark? and our special teams? Gives up the 45 yarder to midfield when we need to make them drive the field.

Yep. Those other teams are loaded with receiver-playmakers. They get open, they win contested throws, and can gain a bazillion yards after the catch. The QBs are terrific, no question. But the Tyreek Hills, the Kelces, the Mike Evans, the Cooper Kupps, sure help make things easier for them, and make them look better. The Packers just don't have anything on that scale, and it's been that way for a long time.

 

[buckthorn]

Somebody gets it.

and a lesser QB in those conditions with that pressure turns the ball over 4+ times between fumbles and INT's. So many fans have no appreciation for tough football anymore. They think the track meets like KC and Bills are "good football". Exciting, absolutely. Good? guys falling all over, defenders running in to each other, tripping over their own feet just running wide open everywhere.

You got it. And you're welcome for providing you with Jonathan Taylor. Talk about a stud.

 

[Indy Fan]

Somebody gets it.

and a lesser QB in those conditions with that pressure turns the ball over 4+ times between fumbles and INT's. So many fans have no appreciation for tough football anymore. They think the track meets like KC and Bills are "good football". Exciting, absolutely. Good? guys falling all over, defenders running in to each other, tripping over their own feet just running wide open everywhere.

Exactly. Garoppolo was close to having 4 pick 6s and threw for 115 yds. But hey, he's 4-1 in the playoffs despite horrific numbers so he's clearly better than Rodgers. I'm glad there's at least a couple of you that get it.

 

[Arod2gjdd]

Y'all unbelievable with the stats.

It is this simple: when he had multiple opportunities in both this year's game and last's to get it done late in the game he did not get it done. Repeatedly. Over and over. With the game on the line. This is all that matters.

Miss me with your stats. There is no more denying that he is at his WORST when his BEST is needed.

 

[buckthorn]

Have you? Please. Name those dozen plays where nobody was open. Get me the timestamps and I'll look them up.

Do you really think that the majority of failed pass plays were due to Rogers' failure to find the open guy and get the ball to him? You cited a single play as evidence of an overall game performance. I recall seeing several replays (sorry, no timestamps) during the game where no one was open. How many times did Rogers dump it off to Showtime for short gains because there weren't any other options?

 

[MadCat]

I did watch the other games. I saw wide open receivers on every play, Allen throwing to no names who's defenders fell down at the 10 yard line leaving them wide open in the endzone. I saw Mahomes toss to a wide open Hill with blockers in front and then a wide open Kelce. I saw Rodgers do that too, but then the chip shot kick was blocked in stead of made and our TE dropped the ball at mid field instead of making a catch like Kelce. I saw more open receivers in a series for those 2 teams than GB had in the entire game. They were exciting, but don't mistake them for really good football they were to completely different types of games.

I saw the Rams try and hand that game back. I saw Brady make crap play after crap after crap. heck before the half he skipped a ball into the endzone with Gronk at the goal line providing a huge target and the defenders to his back who wouldn't be able to make a play on the ball. he made one nice throw to Evans at the end, beautiful. Nice pocket, good protection, Best receiver on the field one on one on the outside and TD. It was great. How many times did you see that scenario in the Packer game? Expand on that too.

I also saw 4th and 9, WIDE OPEN Scotty Miller in Brady's field of view plainly and before Brady ever even though of throwing the ball with a very clean pocket, instead he forced it to the middle to his TE Brate. I saw him force it into triple coverage to Evans in the endzone. I saw all sorts of things and none of this was done in sub 10 degree temps.

Who's our Tyreek hill on Special teams that can return it 46 yards to the 15 when the team needs a spark? and our special teams? Gives up the 45 yarder to midfield when we need to make them drive the field.

You are exactly right. To blast Rodgers for one play because he didn’t deliver complete perfection is hard to fathom. How well would other QBs in the league have played in that game under the same conditions - I think we all know the answer to that one. I was watching the receivers on the passing downs, especially in the second half when the snow was falling, and they weren’t getting open. Has anyone questioned why Rodgers couldn’t find anyone open within the few seconds he had to get rid of the ball? He simply hadn’t faced that kind of pressure all year and the offensive line did him no favors in this one. And, let’s face it, our WRs outside of Adams don’t typically get wide open separation without more time, which is why we need a legit #2 on the field instead of settling for the status quo and hoping for the best (yes, different topic altogether). Rodgers saw Lazard and opted to go to Adams thinking that was a “50/50 ball” which in handsight is easy to say it was a mistake, but to pin the loss on one guy for one play because it was the last possession play in the game is off base. Let’s say Adams makes a catch on that play. Would Rodgers be getting blasted for going to Adams instead of Lazard? Let’s say Rodgers makes the throw to Lazard. What if he drops it? Catches it and fumbles? Is down and we go for a field goal and Crosby misses it? If that play had been a third down play during the first possession of the game, would anyone be picking that play apart now? It’s like blaming Bostick in 2014 when the game shouldn’t have come down to an onside kick. Like this game, it was a result of every other mistake or poor play leading up to that point. Team sport.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

This has pretty much been his game since he broke his collarbone. He doesn't thread those needles anymore. Most of the throws he makes are to guys who are wide open and MLFs offense is designed to do just that, and Rodgers has benefited greatly.

LOL.....really? Do you watch the Games or just read online stuff? Two MVP's in a row and he was a great QB in MM's offense as well.

Weren't you saying that he only throws to Adams, even when Adams is covered? Now you are saying he can't thread the needle AND he only throws to guys that are wide open. Which is it?

 

[Mondio]

Do you really think that the majority of failed pass plays were due to Rogers' failure to find the open guy and get the ball to him? You cited a single play as evidence of an overall game performance. I recall seeing several replays (sorry, no timestamps) during the game where no one was open. How many times did Rogers dump it off to Showtime for short gains because there weren't any other options?

and these same people that will criticize that singular play later in the game will argue that while he should have held on to the ball longer to wait for Lazard to come open after being under pressure all game long especially on passing downs, will tell you he hangs on to the ball too long and takes too many sacks like the play right before the blocked FG attempt.

They have no concept of the actual game of football. In their mind it's just supposed to happen

 

[buckthorn]

and these same people that will criticize that singular play later in the game will argue that while he should have held on to the ball longer to wait for Lazard to come open after being under pressure all game long especially on passing downs, will tell you he hangs on to the ball too long and takes too many sacks like the play right before the blocked FG attempt.

They have no concept of the actual game of football. In their mind it's just supposed to happen

Yes. It's classic superficial thinking. I'd put a like on your post, but evidently I don't have enough posts yet. Kind of ridiculous.

 

[Mondio]

Yes. It's classic superficial thinking. I'd put a like on your post, but evidently I don't have enough posts yet. Kind of ridiculous.

It's ok, I grew up in a time where nobody had to click a thumbs up to validate me I'll survive

 

[longtimefan]

I did watch the other games. I saw wide open receivers on every play, Allen throwing to no names who's defenders fell down at the 10 yard line leaving them wide open in the endzone. I saw Mahomes toss to a wide open Hill with blockers in front and then a wide open Kelce. I saw Rodgers do that too, but then the chip shot kick was blocked in stead of made and our TE dropped the ball at mid field instead of making a catch like Kelce. I saw more open receivers in a series for those 2 teams than GB had in the entire game. They were exciting, but don't mistake them for really good football they were to completely different types of games.

I saw the Rams try and hand that game back. I saw Brady make crap play after crap after crap. heck before the half he skipped a ball into the endzone with Gronk at the goal line providing a huge target and the defenders to his back who wouldn't be able to make a play on the ball. he made one nice throw to Evans at the end, beautiful. Nice pocket, good protection, Best receiver on the field one on one on the outside and TD. It was great. How many times did you see that scenario in the Packer game? Expand on that too.

I also saw 4th and 9, WIDE OPEN Scotty Miller in Brady's field of view plainly and before Brady ever even though of throwing the ball with a very clean pocket, instead he forced it to the middle to his TE Brate. I saw him force it into triple coverage to Evans in the endzone. I saw all sorts of things and none of this was done in sub 10 degree temps.

Who's our Tyreek hill on Special teams that can return it 46 yards to the 15 when the team needs a spark? and our special teams? Gives up the 45 yarder to midfield when we need to make them drive the field.

So are you saying other people stepped up to help??

ST we all know was main issue..but we cant just focus on one aspect.

Our offense was struggling. One play here or there may have been different out come.
A low throw to Adams should been higher and possiblly Adams scores.
TE doesnt drop, Other TE doesnt fumble. Jones runs out of bounds.
When all said and done,
Aaron needed better blocking. Matt needed to adjust better.
wr and te needed to be a notch better.
They needed some one to be at the next level. And it didnt happen

Just one different out come on offense and prob win this game

 

[Indy Fan]

You got it. And you're welcome for providing you with Jonathan Taylor. Talk about a stud.

Much appreciated. He might've broken the all purpose yd record if Wentz didn't miss him wide open a dozen times a game and his OC didn't call 50+ passes in games with big leads.

 

[MadCat]

Much appreciated. He might've broken the all purpose yd record if Wentz didn't miss him wide open a dozen times a game and his OC didn't call 50+ passes in games with big leads.

Just curious, was the Wentz bashing as bad as the Rodgers bashing?

 

[Half Empty]

yep… both things are true. Rodgers is human and he does make mistakes. He is also one of the best QBs to have played the game.

Again, is there a difference between Best QB and Best Passer?

 

[swhitset]

Again, is there a difference between Best QB and Best Passer?

perhaps but in this context it doesn’t matter because he is both….. and i said one of not “the”

 

[Half Empty]

This is where some of us who question AR's overall rating point - the game was definitely winnable anywhere at the end -

Drive 9 - bad rodgers and MLF
Drive 10 - bad rodgers and MLF

 

[Mondio]

So are you saying other people stepped up to help??

ST we all know was main issue..but we cant just focus on one aspect.

Our offense was struggling. One play here or there may have been different out come.
A low throw to Adams should been higher and possiblly Adams scores.
TE doesnt drop, Other TE doesnt fumble. Jones runs out of bounds.
When all said and done,
Aaron needed better blocking. Matt needed to adjust better.
wr and te needed to be a notch better.
They needed some one to be at the next level. And it didnt happen

Just one different out come on offense and prob win this game

That early pass to Adams would have gone for more if it was up a bit more, I agree. But still, it's hard to knock a guy for plays that result in first downs. people want to knock the pass to Jones, well he's running right, he can't throw it back to the middle of the field because 2 defenders are coming from that way. it's not a designed play with timing, he has to loft it up so Jones can get to it, but not give the defenders a chance to run to it so he had to throw it a bit more to the outside. and it was damn cold. and yes, Jones should have run out of bounds saving a Time out. Still he got us to FG range. KC makes it, GB lets a guy run right thru and catch the kick in his gut.

my point was Brady didn't elevate his play and make a comeback possible. THe Rams litterally handed them opportunity after opportunity and guys made themselves open targets, something Rodgers didn't have. Yes he could have made more plays, but none of those other guys were making plays that weren't there to be made. I take that back, Mahomes had some crazy ones in there, but still someone was open to flip it too. We didn't have that luxury all game long.

Had they given us Adams 1 on 1 on the outside at a crucial moment and Rodgers flat out missed him, I'd put more onus on Rodgers like so many want to do today. The Rams gave Tampa that opportunity, did the 9er's?