Studs n duds Niners playoffs

[Pokerbrat2000]

Rodgers himself is a bit of an enigma, as are those of us that try to get behind him.

I am as guilty as the next Packer fan to have ridden the Rodgers Roller coaster from idolizing the guy to wanting him traded as quick as possible. However, there is one thing that has always stayed very clear for me, the guy is one of the best at his position and it will probably be a long time before Packer fans see someone even close to his talent at QB. That said, I often find it hard to muster up too much "this loss was all Rodgers fault, he's a bum and needs to go", even in the situations where he was just really off his game. Because I know the next 10 games, he will probably be on and do things we normally don't see done too often at the position. The final thing I am very clear on, was that the loss Saturday night wasn't due to Rodgers making a ton of mistakes, it was due to Special Teams. Could Rodgers have played better? Yes, but the 49'er defense couldn't have played much better after that first series.

 

[Krabs]

The biggest dud was me. I completely set my self up for disappointment and should have known better. What a gut wrenching loss. The Packers have actually invented ways to lose in the playoffs.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

The biggest dud was me. I completely set my self up for disappointment and should have known better. What a gut wrenching loss. The Packers have actually invented ways to lose in the playoffs.

Actually, the Special teams way of losing things was an old Packer trick that was used back in the NFCCG loss against the Seahawks during the 2014 season. First they give up a TD on a fake FG and later a totally botched fielding of an onside kick. I will always point to that fake FG as the catalyst to that loss. The Seahawks were down 16-0 with 4 or so minutes left in the 3rd Q and had done very little all day. So up until that point in the game, the Seahawks looked like they were ready to wave the white flag.

Seems the new Packer regime had forgotten just how special teams units can cost you games.

 

[longtimefan]

Stop trying to put words into my mouth ( not singling anyone out)

Ive said offense needed to better. Rodgers better pass..who cares if just that one.

Line needed to be better.

ST needed to be better

Def needed to stop the 9 yard run

Not sure Whats so hard to understand

 

[BrokenArrow]

I disagree he was trying to be the hero becas had he thrown it to Lazard it was gonna be just as big of a gainer as it was had Adams made the catch...he just missed it

How would a throw to Lazard be as big a gainer? Lazard was only 15 yards or so beyond the LOS. He might have picked up another 10 or 15 on the ground but that's about it. The throw he made went 50 yards or so in the air.

 

[sschind]

So are you saying other people stepped up to help??

ST we all know was main issue..but we cant just focus on one aspect.

Our offense was struggling. One play here or there may have been different out come.
A low throw to Adams should been higher and possiblly Adams scores.
TE doesnt drop, Other TE doesnt fumble. Jones runs out of bounds.
When all said and done,
Aaron needed better blocking. Matt needed to adjust better.
wr and te needed to be a notch better.
They needed some one to be at the next level. And it didnt happen

Just one different out come on offense and prob win this game

But it was all Brandon Bostick's fault


that's a joke.

 

[Mondio]

Stop trying to put words into my mouth ( not singling anyone out)

Ive said offense needed to better. Rodgers better pass..who cares if just that one.

Line needed to be better.

ST needed to be better

Def needed to stop the 9 yard run

Not sure Whats so hard to understand

none of it is hard to understand, i've said everyone of those things myself.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Stop trying to put words into my mouth ( not singling anyone out)

Ive said offense needed to better. Rodgers better pass..who cares if just that one.

Line needed to be better.

ST needed to be better

Def needed to stop the 9 yard run

Not sure Whats so hard to understand

Personally, I am not signaling you out, but I am pointing to a few here who are all of a sudden on the "Aaron Rodgers stinks train."

You could add 50 more things to your list. The whole team pretty much had a bad game, but credit also has to be given to the 49ers players and coaches.

What is kind of funny though, is the fact that Rodgers seems to get singled by some as the reason we lost. I haven't seen "Adams should have played better, Lazard didn't play well, had Gary strip sacked on this play, so and so had a sure interception and pick 6, etc." But yes, lets blame Rodgers, because he is the easy target. He's the loudmouth QB that some want to say "ah haaah Mr. my sh*t doesn't stink, we got ya now". Rodgers admitted he had a bad game.

Now if Rodgers throws a pick 6 or two, I get it. But the whole offense wasn't playing well, that includes, Rodgers, the OL and the receivers and I would toss in MLF too.

For me though, had the special teams done their job in an average way, even a slightly below average way, the Packers win the game.

 

[longtimefan]

Personally, I am not signaling you out, but I am pointing to a few here who are all of a sudden on the "Aaron Rodgers stinks train."

You could add 50 more things to your list. The whole team pretty much had a bad game, but credit also has to be given to the 49ers players and coaches.

What is kind of funny though, is the fact that Rodgers seems to get singled by some as the reason we lost. I haven't seen "Adams should have played better, Lazard didn't play well, had Gary strip sacked on this play, so and so had a sure interception and pick 6, etc." But yes, lets blame Rodgers, because he is the easy target. He's the loudmouth QB that some want to say "ah haaah Mr. my sh*t doesn't stink, we got ya now". Rodgers admitted he had a bad game.

Now if Rodgers throws a pick 6 or two, I get it. But the whole offense wasn't playing well, that includes, Rodgers, the OL and the receivers and I would toss in MLF too.

For me though, had the special teams done their job in an average way, even a slightly below average way, the Packers win the game.

I'd rather have Rodgers than anyone else. Anyone. I want him back..But he isnt above being criticized

Again. ST plays average they win. We all agree.

Do you agree with this statement?

if offense (offense as a whole not just one player) does what they are supposed to do (score points) they win.

 

[PackAttack12]

This has pretty much been his game since he broke his collarbone. He doesn't thread those needles anymore. Most of the throws he makes are to guys who are wide open and MLFs offense is designed to do just that, and Rodgers has benefited greatly.

This really makes me wonder how many actual games you watched out of the 17 that Rodgers played in this season. Because if you watch most of the games or most of the plays, you couldn't possibly come to this conclusion that Rodgers doesn't "thread those needles anymore". Does he benefit from LaFleur's offense? Of course. I've mentioned it many times. But the notion that he can't or HASN'T made great tight window throws is just flatly incorrect.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I did watch the other games. I saw wide open receivers on every play, Allen throwing to no names who's defenders fell down at the 10 yard line leaving them wide open in the endzone. I saw Mahomes toss to a wide open Hill with blockers in front and then a wide open Kelce. I saw Rodgers do that too, but then the chip shot kick was blocked in stead of made and our TE dropped the ball at mid field instead of making a catch like Kelce. I saw more open receivers in a series for those 2 teams than GB had in the entire game. They were exciting, but don't mistake them for really good football they were to completely different types of games.

I saw open receivers on at least two plays where Rodgers held the ball too long hoping #17 would get open. I saw Packer receivers wide open for easy throws on back-to-back plays that would have extended our last drive. I saw Aaron Rodgers ignore them and throw to two completely covered receivers on those two plays which had almost zero chance of being caught. And yet I see fans who continue to insist that Rodgers can do no wrong.

Oh, and no. You did not see wide open receivers on every single play in the other three games. That's just ridiculous. No team has wide open receivers every damn play.

 

[PackAttack12]

Personally, I am not signaling you out, but I am pointing to a few here who are all of a sudden on the "Aaron Rodgers stinks train."

You could add 50 more things to your list. The whole team pretty much had a bad game, but credit also has to be given to the 49ers players and coaches.

What is kind of funny though, is the fact that Rodgers seems to get singled by some as the reason we lost. I haven't seen "Adams should have played better, Lazard didn't play well, had Gary strip sacked on this play, so and so had a sure interception and pick 6, etc." But yes, lets blame Rodgers, because he is the easy target. He's the loudmouth QB that some want to say "ah haaah Mr. my sh*t doesn't stink, we got ya now". Rodgers admitted he had a bad game.

Now if Rodgers throws a pick 6 or two, I get it. But the whole offense wasn't playing well, that includes, Rodgers, the OL and the receivers and I would toss in MLF too.

For me though, had the special teams done their job in an average way, even a slightly below average way, the Packers win the game.

Some (not saying LTF) have been waiting for months to have the opportunity to **** on Rodgers just because of the offseason stuff. THAT is what you're saying from many. Not the more level minded ones, but from MANY, it's just because they finally have the opportunity.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I'd rather have Rodgers than anyone else. Anyone. I want him back..But he isnt above being criticized

The only way I would want him back is if Adams goes. He's too dependent on him when he gets rattled. That tunnel-vision was a major contributor to losing this game.

 

[BrokenArrow]

This really makes me wonder how many actual games you watched out of the 17 that Rodgers played in this season. Because if you watch most of the games or most of the plays, you couldn't possibly come to this conclusion that Rodgers doesn't "thread those needles anymore". Does he benefit from LaFleur's offense? Of course. I've mentioned it many times. But the notion that he can't or HASN'T made great tight window throws is just flatly incorrect.

I watched every snap of 15 out of the 17. I missed about half of the first Lions game and most of the Steelers game because of work. He does not throw into those tight windows with the same regularity he did before he got hurt. Yeah, he'll pull one out every once in a while, but not often.

 

[PackAttack12]

I watched every snap of 15 out of the 17. I missed about half of the first Lions game and most of the Steelers game because of work. He does not throw into those tight windows with the same regularity he did before he got hurt. Yeah, he'll pull one out every once in a while, but not often.

I agree they aren't as frequent as they used to be, but that's because it's not needed. Not because he can't.

 

[Half Empty]

Wasn't it needed Saturday night?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Do you agree with this statement?

if offense (offense as a whole not just one player) does what they are supposed to do (score points) they win.

That is a really hard question to answer definitively. Since how many points were they "supposed to score" against the 49'ers defense? Was the first TD a fluke and they should have only had 3 FG's? Or should they have had 2 more TD's?

Now, one could say "If the offense played better, they probably score more points and win the game." Again though, that means the 49'ers don't do things different too.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Some (not saying LTF) have been waiting for months to have the opportunity to **** on Rodgers just because of the offseason stuff. THAT is what you're saying from many. Not the more level minded ones, but from MANY, it's just because they finally have the opportunity.

Yes and I did all my pissing on Rodgers in the offseason. Besides the whole immunity crap, he was awesome in the regular season.

 

[pacmaniac]

But the notion that he can't or HASN'T made great tight window throws is just flatly incorrect.

That's why some of us are disappointed in his performance against SF. He showed during the regular season he can still do it. But he didn't do it at all against SF when it was needed to win.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That's why some of us are disappointed in his performance against SF. He showed during the regular season he can still do it. But he didn't do it at all against SF when it was needed to win.

This seems to be the first thing people point to when the Packers don't win; "Aaron Rodgers wasn't Aaron Rodgers, this loss is on him."

This isn't the first time in Rodgers career that he ran into a defense that just played him really well. Fans expecting him to be able to prevent that from happening in every game, are expecting too much.

If he was superman, the Packers would never lose a game. If he was playing 1 on 1 against another guy, he probably wins. But football is a team sport, he needs other guys to step up on occasion, who else did on offense? On special teams?

The offense and the defense did enough to win the Game, the special teams did not.

 

[longtimefan]

The offense and the defense did enough to win the Game

Some of us feel different and thats OK.

I can clearly see why some feel it was all ST to blame

But why cant you or others understand why we feel offense had a part?

Lets do this.

I bet most blame Love for losing the KC game, but he got a td right?

Cant have it both ways imo.

 

[pacmaniac]

This seems to be the first thing people point to when the Packers don't win; "Aaron Rodgers wasn't Aaron Rodgers, this loss is on him."

This isn't the first time in Rodgers career that he ran into a defense that just played him really well. Fans expecting him to be able to prevent that from happening in every game, are expecting too much.

If he was superman, the Packers would never lose a game. If he was playing 1 on 1 against another guy, he probably wins. But football is a team sport, he needs other guys to step up on occasion, who else did on offense? On special teams?

The offense and the defense did enough to win the Game, the special teams did not.

The defense played absolutely phenomenal. 6 points allowed is way better than anyone could ask for. But what if special teams didn't allow the FG and punt blocks? And the defense gave up 16 points instead of 6? That's still pretty good for a defense. Would you guys put the loss on Rodgers at that point? Or still blame the defense?

This isn't just about this one game, either. If Rodgers has one poor game, okay, it happens. But this is a pattern now for the past ELEVEN years. Can you just have a great game and carry the team for once and make up for the rest of the team's mistakes? If you can't do it just one time in 11 years, then you don't deserve to be called one of the greatest of all time.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I bet most blame Love for losing the KC game, but he got a td right?

Loves inexperience and level of play contributed greatly to the loss, correct...IMO.

Now I don't remember what the Special teams did, didn't they allow a blocked FG against the Chiefs?

The Team lost the playoff game, the defense played well enough to win, the offense while not playing as well as some wanted them to, still scored enough, that they win the game if the Special teams doesn't allow a blocked FG and a blocked punt for a TD.

How's that? lol

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

This isn't just about this one game, either. If Rodgers has one poor game, okay, it happens. But this is a pattern now for the past ELEVEN years. Can you just have a great game and carry the team for once and make up for the rest of the team's mistakes? If you can't do it just one time in 11 years, then you don't deserve to be called one of the greatest of all time.

Again, if Rodgers threw interceptions and fumbled the ball away, as well as made poor passes, you bet I blame him. This last game, I would put more blame on the offensive line, than I would directly on Rodgers. I don't get peoples desire to pin the loss directly on Rodgers. What would the score have been if Love was the QB?

 

[Mondio]

Some of us feel different and thats OK.

I can clearly see why some feel it was all ST to blame

But why cant you or others understand why we feel offense had a part?

Lets do this.

I bet most blame Love for losing the KC game, but he got a td right?

Cant have it both ways imo.

we all know the offense "could" have done better. Oline could have protected better, I think Rodgers would have been more comfortable and had more time to give some guys time to get open. We could have ran it more, we could have committed less penalties that stopped drives, etc. Yes, there are things the offense could have done better, or the defense for that matter, though they played brilliantly for almost an entire game. Could ask more of them, but wouldn't really be fair either at least on defense and we were facing the #3 defense in the league on a very cold night. The ball wasn't likely to be flying all over on offense, but yes it could have done better.

But then we have our special teams who gave up basically 10 points to another special teams unit that was almost as bad as our's all season long. These were no juggernauts on special teams, they were one of the worst in the league as well and it's not like we traded big returns or anything, we just gave them up, and allowed blocked kicks and punts and TD's to be scored with our's.