Studs n duds New Orleans

[RRyder]

I just wanted to talk about one dud play imo by Tonyon (who I am very happy to see getting involved). I was re-watching and on the first TD pass to Lazard; Lazard was going left to right in the middle of the end zone. And Tonyan was going out for a short pass in the right side of the field. Thing is, while Tonyon was going out for his pass...1. he was tightly covered but 2. There was a New Orleans linebacker coming in to rush Rodgers, a free run at him. Well Tonyon did not know Lazard was open, but he did know the rusher had a free run at ARod and that he would not be open, and still he sidestepped the pass rusher and just let him go. If Lazard had not been wide open; the linebacker could have sacked him. Tonyon imo should have broke off his route which was covered anyway, and blocked the guy. Then Rodgers would have had a lot of time. Just an example of when a receiver should cut off his route as called and do something that significantly could affect the play. All in all loved the way the TEs played. It looks like all three have good hands.

That free rusher is by design. The idea is that the free rusher will bite on the RB and crash the line playing the run while Tonyan takes a free release into the flat. That didn't happen on the play but thats not Tonyans fault. (In fact Tonyan was looking to chip when the guy didn't bite but the LB side stepped and he then went into his route)

Really even had he given up on the route altogether he still doesn't really alter the LBs angle to Rodgers and the LB covering Tonyan most likely sits in the exact area that Lazard got open in (You really need to watch that replay again if you think he wouldve been able to even get in position to possibly block him)

 

[thequick12]

Maybe because he has not mastered the LaFleur playbook, not an easy thing to do as we see in comparing last year to this. On an audible call he might not know what to do.

Also my guess is they don't trust him as a pass blocker and they don't want the defense to know it's a run because dillons in the game

 

[thequick12]

Apparently he can’t right now. I’m not a fan of the reason, but it is what it us I guess.

Wait, dude got banned or something? Don't know what happened but unless he threatened bodily harm...that's bogus. Hopefully he comes back he was a big part of this site but wouldn't be surprised if he didn't

 

[thequick12]

Was way way more than just disagree t
But you know all inner workings

Starting to attack each other personally...It was spilling into other threads with same mentality, was told to stop and ignore each other..

Dante did

Yet capt continued....capt has been warned for years to ignore and stop certain tactics.

It was enough this last time

There you have it. Agree or dont..

You can apply to be a mod to help enforce since we do such a horrible job

You used the word "argue". I believe the word you should have used is debate...he wouldn't stop debating so we banned him, and that just doesn't seem right. To me it seems debate is the name of the game for a site like this. The more the better...

 

[Mondio]

Also my guess is they don't trust him as a pass blocker and they don't want the defense to know it's a run because dillons in the game

I think the biggest reason, he's a rookie, probably has a lot to learn, but even more importantly has a lot to earn. There are 2 very good guys in front of him that are proven productive and dependable in every situation. He's going to really have to earn his snaps with those 2 and the offense performing like it is.

 

[PikeBadger]

Excellent TD catch by Lewis. Tonyan is going to turn into a fine TE. He knows the game and clearly has the physical tools. I suspect he has all the intangibles as well. He just looks like a player. Reminds me of Owen Daniels.

 

[PikeBadger]

You used the word "argue". I believe the word you should have used is debate...he wouldn't stop debating so we banned him, and that just doesn't seem right. To me it seems debate is the name of the game for a site like this. The more the better...

Capt I believe is a (European?) whose version of English usage is different than what we’re used to. That’s my take. May be wrong. I prefer to think he’s a decent chap that isn’t a jerk. I certainly don’t agree with his viewpoint on many topics but that doesn’t matter.

 

[gopkrs]

That free rusher is by design. The idea is that the free rusher will bite on the RB and crash the line playing the run while Tonyan takes a free release into the flat. That didn't happen on the play but thats not Tonyans fault. (In fact Tonyan was looking to chip when the guy didn't bite but the LB side stepped and he then went into his route)

Really even had he given up on the route altogether he still doesn't really alter the LBs angle to Rodgers and the LB covering Tonyan most likely sits in the exact area that Lazard got open in (You really need to watch that replay again if you think he wouldve been able to even get in position to possibly block him)

Well, OK, I'll watch it again. Like you said the free rusher did not bite at all. A good point about the coverage LB maybe getting in Lazard's way if Tonyan does not go out for the pass at all. But since the free rusher was a good ways from Rodgers; there were actually two players in Tonyan's path. It looked to me like Tonyan could have easily blocked him and should have. But I'll try and look at it again.

 

[HardRightEdge]

The refs very rarely call uncatchable.

If a ref sees a ball to be uncatchable there is no call to be made. It's just incomplete.

There should be no doubt the PI call in question was a bad one and no doubt the calls went the Packers way in that NO game. There will in all likelihood be a game sometime this season where the calls go the other way.

Just say "thanks"; there will probably be a game to complain about later on. Saints fans will in all liklihood have their own opportunity to give thanks at some point while doth protesting too much.

 

[longtimefan]

You used the word "argue". I believe the word you should have used is debate...he wouldn't stop debating so we banned him, and that just doesn't seem right. To me it seems debate is the name of the game for a site like this. The more the better...

Again

Apply to be a mod...then you can be involved

I stand by my choice..

Let me again explain even tho I dont have to explain...

There have been numerous times in prev YEARS capt was told to stop and he was suspended once for the same.

I told both to stop and to ignore as their pretty ego trips were going on other threads....

Dante stopped capt didnt...

Im sorry you dont agree but we dont allow people to keep instigating


This is good time for everyone to re read rules

As always, mods are always available to resolve a conflict, but the mod will 1st recommend the ignore feature.

We are all adults and not babysitters. So do not be surprised if we start taking more drastic measures when posters can not seem to get along. That may mean a warning, or a complete suspension for one day or permanent. As so eloquently put by one of our posters: Ignore is my friend.

 

[longtimefan]

Capt I believe is a (European?) whose version of English usage is different than what we’re used to. That’s my take. May be wrong. I prefer to think he’s a decent chap that isn’t a jerk. I certainly don’t agree with his viewpoint on many topics but that doesn’t matter.

Capt knows the language very well

 

[gopkrs]

If a ref sees a ball to be uncatchable there is no call to be made. It's just incomplete.

There should be no doubt the PI call in question was a bad one and no doubt the calls went the Packers way in that NO game. There will in all likelihood be a game sometime this season where the calls go the other way.

Just say "thanks"; there will probably be a game to complain about later on. Saints fans will in all liklihood have their own opportunity to give thanks at some point while doth protesting too much.

I don't think my post was so long that you had to cherry pick it. Obviously I had said that they don't hardly ever call uncatchable on a pass interference call. In fact, I can't remember the last time I saw it.

 

[longtimefan]

You used the word "argue". I believe the word you should have used is debate...he wouldn't stop debating so we banned him, and that just doesn't seem right. To me it seems debate is the name of the game for a site like this. The more the better...

Argue.
give reasons or cite evidence in support of an idea, action, or theory, typically with the aim of persuading others to share one's view.


Yup they were arguing


Debate

a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.


Nope wasnt a debate because weren't formal

 

[HardRightEdge]

I don't think my post was so long that you had to cherry pick it. Obviously I had said that they don't hardly ever call uncatchable on a pass interference call. In fact, I can't remember the last time I saw it.

I still cannot make sense of that and can't elaborate any further.

 

[PackerDNA]

Argue.
give reasons or cite evidence in support of an idea, action, or theory, typically with the aim of persuading others to share one's view.


Yup they were arguing


Debate

a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.


Nope wasnt a debate because weren't formal

Is the Captain's ban permanent?

 

[HardRightEdge]

Argue.
give reasons or cite evidence in support of an idea, action, or theory, typically with the aim of persuading others to share one's view.


Yup they were arguing


Debate

a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.


Nope wasnt a debate because weren't formal

"It takes two to tango."

Both parties involved in a situation or argument are responsible for it.

 

[longtimefan]

"It takes two to tango."

Both parties involved in a situation or argument are responsible for it.

One party stopped when asked
One party continued when asked to stop

 

[longtimefan]

Is the Captain's ban permanent?

My.op to him when this happened is all there

 

[thequick12]

I think the biggest reason, he's a rookie, probably has a lot to learn, but even more importantly has a lot to earn. There are 2 very good guys in front of him that are proven productive and dependable in every situation. He's going to really have to earn his snaps with those 2 and the offense performing like it is.

I'd agree, but I also think we should expect dillon to start taking some of williams snaps as the season progresses. So that by the playoffs dillon is a contributor. It's a trajectory we've seen many other promising Packers draft picks take...if that doesn't happen it will definitely be a sign for concern. As yes jones is that good but williams has proven to be a very solid role player. I assume everyone hopes dillon is more than that

 

[Mondio]

I do expect his snap counts to change later in the season, but he's really going to have to earn them

 

[HardRightEdge]

One party stopped when asked
One party continued when asked to stop

I frequently stuggle to understand your logic in such matters. Anyway, I see your warning but cannot search on the Captain's posts. Evidently the site prevents that when a guy is suspended (or booted permanently?).

There were others who ignored your warning in the posts right after yours. Were they warned or suspended?

That said, "my way or the highway" is certainly within your prerogatives.

 

[easyk83]

Explosive enough that NO kept shifting coverage to him despite Lazard going off for 140 yards and even though they were on there way to giving up 37 points decided not to change their coverage scheme...... Yep trouble

Exactly, it's like a pass rusher who draws help blockers on every passing play. The lack of production doesnt mean that he didnt positively affect the game.

 

[XPack]

Explosive enough that NO kept shifting coverage to him despite Lazard going off for 140 yards and even though they were on there way to giving up 37 points decided not to change their coverage scheme...... Yep trouble

Could be bad defensive coordinating!

 

[jon]

Another DUD is that there are too many easy receptions because we are playing too far off. Even on 3rd and short and bull *******, they get an easy first down because King played too far off or nobody was watching Kamara.

My dud vote goes to Pettine.
Brees cannot or will not throw down field yet he hit like 90% with someone open on every play. There was no adjustment. Maybe there was, I'm no expert, but it seemed as if GB didn't even challenge him to go downfield.

 

[gopkrs]

I still cannot make sense of that and can't elaborate any further.

I see quite a few pass interference penalties when the ball is uncatchable. They just don't call it very often. I think they have decided to always give the benefit of the doubt to the receiver. Or almost always.