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crack? someone might be on it, but it's not De'Vondre. That's just ludicrous to suggest. His play has dropped some, but he's still a pretty quality player. I don't think it's been as dramatic a some make it out to be.

by every account he's a very upstanding person and player. People should be more careful with their words.
 

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crack? someone might be on it, but it's not De'Vondre. That's just ludicrous to suggest. His play has dropped some, but he's still a pretty quality player. I don't think it's been as dramatic a some make it out to be.

by every account he's a very upstanding person and player. People should be more careful with their words.
I agree. I don't mind harmless speculation, it's an opinion site after all. But the suggestions that Campbell was using crack just went too far IMO. Maybe Packerbacker will take the feedback and be more careful in the future.
 
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Good shots, I don't know why they didn't challenge it or allowed to

To be fair, in real time, it goes both ways....so hard to tell for sure

But agree, if the original call was a TD, you gotta let that stand and then challenge/review AGAINST it, which would prove that the call should stand as a TD
At worst, it should have been reviewed and it’s very clear that the booth officials were on a beer break.
It’s offsetting penalties. Replay Down. That’s the proper call there imo. No way do you slow motion that and not catch holding. They were either told to throw this game or they were grossly negligent. If there was any ejection it should’ve been on the NFL official who reviewed that
 

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It's not an accusation it's a speculation.
Don't act as if you haven't heard of athletes using performance enhancing drugs in professional sports before, especially where a lot of money is on the line as it was for Devondre getting his new big contract extention based on last year's performance.

You explain to me how a player can regress this far from 1 years to the next without some serious reason behind it.
Not good enough. You said it was either/or. That makes it accusatory, not speculation. Learn to word your posts properly if you want it to come across as speculation.
I'm deleting it.
 

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The left side of the offensive line was excellent blocking for the run but the right one not as much.



The Packers struggled to successfully run the ball in several games this season. It wouldn't have made any difference to run it just for the sake of doing it.



True, yet a lot of fans believe he doesn't understand when it's smart to run the ball.


It's not possible to challenge a pass inteference call.




It's true that Campbell doesn't perform at the same level as last season. But it's completely out of line to accuse him of being a drug addict because of it.
According to the numbers you provided the right side did block well. Running at 5.6 per is very good especially on 4 more runs than going in other directions. I don't remember if it was Tom or Runyan that played RG, but teamed with Nijman, the did a really good job run blocking.
 

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Accusing or even suggesting a guy is using something like crack is serious. I know this is an opinion forum and I'm all for free speech. But I'd like to see more support of your "speculation." It seems very careless.
You know what. All you young social justice warriors can go and kiss my ***.
I'm free to express whatever opinion I can concoct and you have the freedom not to agree.
 

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You know what. All you young social justice warriors can go and kiss my ***.
I'm free to express whatever opinion I can concoct and you have the freedom not to agree.

Say what you want but be able to actually have some credibility behind it goes a long way...especially when accusing someone of serious illegal activity.
 

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You know what. All you young social justice warriors can go and kiss my ***.
I'm free to express whatever opinion I can concoct and you have the freedom not to agree.
Thanks for calling me young. Nicest thing I've heard all day.

Your second statement is accurate. This is an opinion forum. I didn't like your post suggesting Campbell used crack, but I expressed my displeasure.

FWIW, I don't think your original post should have been deleted. That's censorship. Free speech goes pretty far. You can't yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater when there is no fire. You can suggest that someone is on crack. But we have mods for a reason and they have the right to delete or not delete whatever they want.

Now no one has to agree with you, and in this case, I don't think anyone does. But you have the right to say it.
 
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Thanks for calling me young. Nicest thing I've heard all day.

Your second statement is accurate. This is an opinion forum. I didn't like your post suggesting Campbell used crack, but I expressed my displeasure.

FWIW, I don't think your original post should have been deleted. That's censorship. Free speech goes pretty far. You can't yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater when there is no fire. You can suggest that someone is on crack. But we have mods for a reason and they have the right to delete or not delete whatever they want.

Now no one has to agree with you, and in this case, I don't think anyone does. But you have the right to say it.
I’ve made the mistake of questioning a players integrity before (but also that player never showed up for work) and been similarly jumped. However I had good sense to acknowledge it was probably not a fair insinuation (although I truthfully never intended it in a judgmental way, but others didn’t know that, so I can see where it can be misconstrued). I certainly wasn’t crass enough to double down on my relative stupidity though either! :roflmao:
 

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I’ve made the mistake of questioning a players integrity before and been similarly jumped. However I had good sense to acknowledge it was probably not a fair insinuation (although I truthfully never intended it in a judgmental way, but others didn’t know that, so I can see where it can be misconstrued). I certainly wasn’t crass enough to double down on my relative stupidity. We all say stupid stuff sometimes, luckily most of the time we learn from those mistakes.
That's a good, and subtle point OldSchool.

Don't double down on stupid. If most replies find a comment insulting, there's a good chance that's true. Then, it's time to either admit the mistake, apologize, and shut the **** up.
 

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Say what you want but be able to actually have some credibility behind it goes a long way...especially when accusing someone of serious illegal activity.
Instead of attacking me for sharing a valid opinion and a prabobility that actually makes sense as to why the ProBall alt from last year fell of the wagon right after he signed a 50 mil contact take the time to come up with a reason that makes sense and share with us. We want to know.
 

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You know what. All you young social justice warriors can go and kiss my ***.
I'm free to express whatever opinion I can concoct and you have the freedom not to agree.
Well if you are thinking crack is the drug choice for players going on new contracts; I think you don't know much about drugs.
 

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Well if you are thinking crack is the drug choice for players going on new contracts; I think you don't know much about drugs.
Well said gopkrs. Packerbacker has doubled and now tripled down on stupid. That's ok, it's still stupid and he has a right to express his stupidity on an opinion forum. But the idea that Campbell or any player on the Packers would use crack is actually - well it's beyond stupid.
 
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At worst, it should have been reviewed and it’s very clear that the booth officials were on a beer break.
It’s offsetting penalties. Replay Down. That’s the proper call there imo. No way do you slow motion that and not catch holding. They were either told to throw this game or they were grossly negligent. If there was any ejection it should’ve been on the NFL official who reviewed that

Once again, pass interference isn't a reviewable penalty.

According to the numbers you provided the right side did block well. Running at 5.6 per is very good especially on 4 more runs than going in other directions. I don't remember if it was Tom or Runyan that played RG, but teamed with Nijman, the did a really good job run blocking.

Jones had one run of 32 yards to the right side. Other than that the Packers gained only 46 yards on 13 attempts for an average of 3.5 yards to that side.

FYI it was Runyan playing right guard vs. the Bills.
 

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You know what. All you young social justice warriors can go and kiss my ***.
I'm free to express whatever opinion I can concoct and you have the freedom not to agree.
Word your posts properly, not libelously. If you word your posts properly you won't have any problems with mods with being "censored".
 

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Thanks for calling me young. Nicest thing I've heard all day.

Your second statement is accurate. This is an opinion forum. I didn't like your post suggesting Campbell used crack, but I expressed my displeasure.

FWIW, I don't think your original post should have been deleted. That's censorship. Free speech goes pretty far. You can't yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater when there is no fire. You can suggest that someone is on crack. But we have mods for a reason and they have the right to delete or not delete whatever they want.

Now no one has to agree with you, and in this case, I don't think anyone does. But you have the right to say it.
It wasn't "suggested". He clearly stated either/or and both involved illegal drug use. Libel is not free speech. People need to know how to read and write if they are going to participate in a forum.
 

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It wasn't "suggested". He clearly stated either/or and both involved illegal drug use. Libel is not free speech. People need to know how to read and write if they are going to participate in a forum.
This was the part of Packerbacker's post in question:

"Devondre was either juicing last year to lock in a contract extention (sp?) or he has a drug addiction issue, Crack maybe?."

That doesn't look like speculation or suggestion, I agree. It's an either/or statement, not "maybe". That said, I'll leave it up to a lawyer or judge to decide if someone is being libelous.

And either way, it was a stupid comment to make. And as I mentioned earlier, when he doubled and tripled down on it that just made it worse, if that's possible.

The real issue is the performance of the Packers' D - all of them. IMO they're poorly coached by Joe Barry.
 
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This was the part of Packerbacker's post in question:

"Devondre was either juicing last year to lock in a contract extention (sp?) or he has a drug addiction issue, Crack maybe?."

That doesn't look like speculation or suggestion, I agree. It's an either/or statement, not "maybe". That said, I'll leave it up to a lawyer or judge to decide if someone is being libelous.

And either way, it was a stupid comment to make. And as I mentioned earlier, when he doubled and tripled down on it that just made it worse, if that's possible.

The real issue is the performance of the Packers' D - all of them. IMO they're poorly coached by Joe Barry.
Just a funny or ironic thing I thought of

For last 10 years? It’s always the def coaches fault

We had numerous threads to fire each def coach
 

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Instead of attacking me for sharing a valid opinion and a prabobility that actually makes sense as to why the ProBall alt from last year fell of the wagon right after he signed a 50 mil contact take the time to come up with a reason that makes sense and share with us. We want to know.
Don't back down brother. I mean there has never been a major league hitter whose average dropped over 100 points from one season to the next or a pitcher whose ERA has gone up 2 runs from season to season or a goalie whose ..................... well you get the point. All of those type of guys must have been on roids and/ or took drugs the following year. Don't let these do gooders turn you into a sheep. Say it loud and proud, no need for any type of evidence, it is your opinion and you as an American citizen are entitled to it no matter how stupid (or not) it is. Now if you could just get a few others to repeat it over and over you could have a future in politics.
 
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Instead of attacking me for sharing a valid opinion and a prabobility that actually makes sense as to why the ProBall alt from last year fell of the wagon right after he signed a 50 mil contact take the time to come up with a reason that makes sense and share with us. We want to know.
He is old
 

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Just a funny or ironic thing I thought of

For last 10 years? It’s always the def coaches fault

We had numerous threads to fire each def coach
I don't know if it's a coach, or the players drafted, or if a coach or coaches simply "lose" a team or a unit. Joe Barry likely didn't have any other suitors coming off an 0-16 season with the Lions. Couldn't the Packers do better? What WAS so special about Barry? And I guess in the end coaches are easier to replace than players.

And coaches tend to stay for a long time at their positions in GB. Bart Starr was HC for 9 years, MM for 13 and Dom Capers DC - forever.
 
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