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I heard both David Whitehurst and Will Blackmon were asked to change their names because it was offensive. Crayola was going to Sue them because they didn’t promote color diversity.. and a whole rainbow of other reasons. This is true too as I heard it from Mr. Crayola himself. Then Mrs Crayola sued Mr Crayola for unfair wages. She also said she expected to be promoted and thought Secretary Treasurer was belittling. She doesn’t want to be anyone’s Secretary anymore. This is all true I swear on it in the name of the congressional meddling of honor.
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It's interesting to see how many Packer fans like the Cubs, or the Blackhawks, or the Bulls I'm sure. They were very popular in the Michael Jordan days. For me, it's hard to imagine rooting for a Chicago team. Although I was rooting for the White Sox the year they won the World Series, so never say never.
 

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They have played the New Years day game at least twice at Wrigley. We did a rooftop trip for the 1st one. It was awesome. When you got a little too cold you went inside and watched on the big screen. Food and beer included. The best part, my ticket was free.
The next time they do that outdoor game in Chicago, I'm definitely gonna go. It's on my bucket list because that just looks fantastic and outdoor hockey game in the winter this is the stuff that makes life worth living!!!!!
 

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Happiness is five different crayons.

It's interesting to see how many Packer fans like the Cubs, or the Blackhawks, or the Bulls I'm sure. They were very popular in the Michael Jordan days. For me, it's hard to imagine rooting for a Chicago team. Although I was rooting for the White Sox the year they won the World Series, so never say never.
Because it sure is shiite ain't watching the Bears. Hahahahahahaha
 

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They will not. I could be mistaken, but I believe they have the backing of the actual Blackhawk tribe and they fully support using the logo as it is in no way meant to disparage their culture at all. It is a celebration of it.

You are mistaken on many levels. People are free to have their opinions on this, for sure. However, I am not willing to let misinformation like this course through the internet, especially not courtesy of a Bears fan on our board.

There is no "Blackhawk" tribe. Black Hawk was a man -- a Sac (Sauk) war leader who was captured, tortured, and paraded around the country by the US Army. As Wikipedia puts it (with five linked citations), "The National Congress of American Indians, the American Indian Center of Chicago, The Chi-Nations Youth Council, and over 1,500 Native organizations and advocates from over 150 federally recognized tribes across the country, including members of the Sac and Fox Nation, support changing the team name and logo." It is only the team ownership that declines to change the name.

Take that as you will, and do or don't let it influence your opinion, but don't just make **** up.
 

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You are mistaken on many levels. People are free to have their opinions on this, for sure. However, I am not willing to let misinformation like this course through the internet, especially not courtesy of a Bears fan on our board.

There is no "Blackhawk" tribe. Black Hawk was a man -- a Sac (Sauk) war leader who was captured, tortured, and paraded around the country by the US Army. As Wikipedia puts it (with five linked citations), "The National Congress of American Indians, the American Indian Center of Chicago, The Chi-Nations Youth Council, and over 1,500 Native organizations and advocates from over 150 federally recognized tribes across the country, including members of the Sac and Fox Nation, support changing the team name and logo." It is only the team ownership that declines to change the name.

Take that as you will, and do or don't let it influence your opinion, but don't just make **** up.
It was not that he was making it up. It was folklore which you know develops at some point in history and eventually becomes legend and then urban myth. You probably know that so much of George Custer that became part of our culture simply was more myth than it was fact. Ice hockey was regarded as a Canadian game and not given as much attention in the States for eons although it was played here. There were only 6 NHL teams until 1967 when expansion began. So no one whether in media or in pop culture really cared how the logo originated simply because there were so many of them both in college, high school, and pro sports. To most sports fans it was just another " Indian. " But it happened to be the best one. Fans called them the " Hawks. " And to many people who did not SEE actual hockey it was though to be a BIRD. As much dismay as it can cause it does no good to reprimand generations of fans for that. But it is good to re-educate them. We all can appreciate that.
 

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You are mistaken on many levels. People are free to have their opinions on this, for sure. However, I am not willing to let misinformation like this course through the internet, especially not courtesy of a Bears fan on our board.

There is no "Blackhawk" tribe. Black Hawk was a man -- a Sac (Sauk) war leader who was captured, tortured, and paraded around the country by the US Army. As Wikipedia puts it (with five linked citations), "The National Congress of American Indians, the American Indian Center of Chicago, The Chi-Nations Youth Council, and over 1,500 Native organizations and advocates from over 150 federally recognized tribes across the country, including members of the Sac and Fox Nation, support changing the team name and logo." It is only the team ownership that declines to change the name.

Take that as you will, and do or don't let it influence your opinion, but don't just make **** up.
Didn't the original franchise owner name the team after his WWI unit called " Blackhawks "which itself was named after Black Hawk?
 

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You are mistaken on many levels. People are free to have their opinions on this, for sure. However, I am not willing to let misinformation like this course through the internet, especially not courtesy of a Bears fan on our board.

There is no "Blackhawk" tribe. Black Hawk was a man -- a Sac (Sauk) war leader who was captured, tortured, and paraded around the country by the US Army. As Wikipedia puts it (with five linked citations), "The National Congress of American Indians, the American Indian Center of Chicago, The Chi-Nations Youth Council, and over 1,500 Native organizations and advocates from over 150 federally recognized tribes across the country, including members of the Sac and Fox Nation, support changing the team name and logo." It is only the team ownership that declines to change the name.

Take that as you will, and do or don't let it influence your opinion, but don't just make **** up.
I'll look into it bro, but you're acting like the second sentence of my statement wasnt "I could be wrong"so I'll look into it.

Regardless to what happened to the War Chief(I will look into who he was and the full story, and if he died horribly, he will not be the first nor the last in history to do so. When you live by the sword, you die by the sword )
99% of fans revere and honor our Teams name and logo and because of that, as you can see in the article I've linked, the Teams donations and interaction with the Sauk Tribe have continued to grow and they have embraced the Logo and name. Right or wrong.....anything that's helps sustain a beautiful culture is a good thing for the Native Americans as a whole but especially this tribe.
I recognize that many Native Americans would be against the logo and even members of the South tribe would be against it, but at the end of the day, it's just a logo and people should move on with their lives. If I'm descended from a pirate, am I allowed to sue the Pittsburgh baseball team to make them stop using that as a logo because it offends me anybody can be offended by anything and at some point you just gotta keep it moving. so even if it's offensive to some people it's ended up doing good for many people today. I don't see anything wrong with that......but way to be a dik bro.
And as far as me trying to spread misinformation again, my second sentence was, I don't know if this is true, which is the signal to anyone reading it that you should not be a lazy POS and do your own dam research into a certain topic or situation I wasn't trying to mislead or lie to anyone sir......but again....way to be a dik bro.
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This is all pretty accurate. My best guess is much of our secondary woes have to do with our CB1 missing substantial amount of time. Couple that with players learning new roles that 1st half season. I’m surprised we’re still #10 rated on D it feels like we’re #20 rated some days.

Still I would imagine if you went around the NFL and pulled their CB1 the bulk of teams would drop in rankings. JA is 10 snaps last week shy of playing in 6 of 10 contests. I’m also not sure he’s been healthy in those 6. I’d argue not all of them.

So yes our CB room is not deep. But couple it with we’re dealt with injuries also and I’m surprised we’re not worse. Stokes hasn’t helped in 5 of 10 games he has 1 Tackle or 0 tackles, he has
0 FF
0 TFL
O INT
O PD
O QB hits
0 Sacks

He’s so invisible.. I can’t even get him to draw a holding or PI call!


How is that even possible? Eric had 14 Pass Defensed in his Rookie season. In the 22 games since he has…
1 TFL
0 INT
0 Sacks
0 FF/FR
0 QB hits
O PD

It’s like he’s not on the field statistically. It’s almost dumbfounding how he’s disappeared
A combination of nagging injuries, along with rookies, and guys who are just trying to find their roles in the new defense, I can understand where it's still a work in progress. They could use some upgrade help there, but I think we need to evaluate the depth on our front seven on defense, and offensive line for where to spend draft picks. I think that's probably what the front office is already looking at, along with getting their guys who they're concerned about losing, under contract for the future.

At times, it will look like a guy isn't doing his job out there in the secondary, because his stats aren't on the charts. That doesn't mean he's not doing well. Often it means that the opposition isn't challenging him.
 

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In spite of the ownership, Chicago has actually got some talented players. Yes they need a new HC. But as long as the family is still running the show, Chicago won't be a prime coaching destination.
The culture for winning just isn't there. Like you said, new ownership is needed. It's a lot like the Washington Commanders. Under new ownership, they're turning into a winner. It's one of those unseen things that is there, and has to be addressed. The days of George Halas, and yes, even Vince Lombardi are in the rear view mirror. In today's game, the players would revolt against them as coaches, and as front office managers.
 

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I'll look into it bro, but you're acting like the second sentence of my statement wasnt "I could be wrong"so I'll look into it.

Regardless to what happened to the War Chief(I will look into who he was and the full story, and if he died horribly, he will not be the first nor the last in history to do so. When you live by the sword, you die by the sword )
99% of fans revere and honor our Teams name and logo and because of that, as you can see in the article I've linked, the Teams donations and interaction with the Sauk Tribe have continued to grow and they have embraced the Logo and name. Right or wrong.....anything that's helps sustain a beautiful culture is a good thing for the Native Americans as a whole but especially this tribe.
I recognize that many Native Americans would be against the logo and even members of the South tribe would be against it, but at the end of the day, it's just a logo and people should move on with their lives. If I'm descended from a pirate, am I allowed to sue the Pittsburgh baseball team to make them stop using that as a logo because it offends me anybody can be offended by anything and at some point you just gotta keep it moving. so even if it's offensive to some people it's ended up doing good for many people today. I don't see anything wrong with that......but way to be a dik bro.
And as far as me trying to spread misinformation again, my second sentence was, I don't know if this is true, which is the signal to anyone reading it that you should not be a lazy POS and do your own dam research into a certain topic or situation I wasn't trying to mislead or lie to anyone sir......but again....way to be a dik bro.
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Just outside of Oregon, IL, by the Rock River, is a memorial statue of Chief Blackhawk. I used to see it quite often, living in the area, and studied the history of him and the Sauk tribe. The Sauk people were killed by the US military, and the few that escaped found refuge in Wisconsin with the Ho Chunk tribe. Eventually, Blackhawk surrendered to the American government, to insure that the handful of his followers could survive.
 

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:(You are mistaken on many levels. People are free to have their opinions on this, for sure. However, I am not willing to let misinformation like this course through the internet, especially not courtesy of a Bears fan on our board.

There is no "Blackhawk" tribe. Black Hawk was a man -- a Sac (Sauk) war leader who was captured, tortured, and paraded around the country by the US Army. As Wikipedia puts it (with five linked citations), "The National Congress of American Indians, the American Indian Center of Chicago, The Chi-Nations Youth Council, and over 1,500 Native organizations and advocates from over 150 federally recognized tribes across the country, including members of the Sac and Fox Nation, support changing the team name and logo." It is only the team ownership that declines to change the name.

Take that as you will, and do or don't let it influence your opinion, but don't just make **** up.
Good stuff and thanks for the history lesson. It is amazing the **** people make up.

I grew up in Madison and played a lot of Golf at Blackhawk C.C. Which sits on tribal land. As does a lot of UW owned land in that area. There was a recent petition to do the right thing and have the Country Club change it's name. So far....hasn't happened.

There's actually a collapsed cave along the shoreline of Lake Mendota on that land. It was said to have been a hiding place for Black Hawk and others. My dad used to drive the boat up to the small opening that still is visible today. Oh the stories he'd conjure up and scare us with, telling us that "Indians may still be hiding in it and might come out any second". :eek:


 

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I recognize that many Native Americans would be against the logo and even members of the South tribe would be against it, but at the end of the day, it's just a logo and people should move on with their lives. If I'm descended from a pirate, am I allowed to sue the Pittsburgh baseball team to make them stop using that as a logo because it offends me anybody can be offended by anything and at some point you just gotta keep it moving. so even if it's offensive to some people it's ended up doing good for many people today. I don't see anything wrong with that......but way to be a dik bro.
And as far as me trying to spread misinformation again, my second sentence was, I don't know if this is true, which is the signal to anyone reading it that you should not be a lazy POS and do your own dam research into a certain topic or situation I wasn't trying to mislead or lie to anyone sir......but again....way to be a dik bro.
I think the only "Dik" here is youself...
"Bro".

Way to be a condescending one at that.

Your "Hey I said it might not be true" doesn't excuse you for pushing B.S. and then trying to play the victim when called on it.

BTW ..."Bro"....your thinking that the "logo" is the problem and that "people should just move on", tells me just how shallow and uninformed you are.
 
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Happiness is five different crayons.

It's interesting to see how many Packer fans like the Cubs, or the Blackhawks, or the Bulls I'm sure. They were very popular in the Michael Jordan days. For me, it's hard to imagine rooting for a Chicago team. Although I was rooting for the White Sox the year they won the World Series, so never say never.
The Cubs were me StepGrandmother Dodie’s favorite team. When I was a teenager in the 80’s me and my StepBro would go to her house regular as she lived 2 blocks away. She always had the Cubs on her console tv. She also always stocked donuts and Cookies on the kitchen table so maybe the sugar high and Harry Caray was like some combustion high. Lol
We were way overdue to put it to the Niners for a change. I think the last time we beat them by a lopsided score was the 1996 playoffs 35-14 in the mud.
Interesting. I also saw someone reference 1960.1961. Or maybe it was ‘59-60
 

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I'll look into it bro, but you're acting like the second sentence of my statement wasnt "I could be wrong"so I'll look into it.

Regardless to what happened to the War Chief(I will look into who he was and the full story, and if he died horribly, he will not be the first nor the last in history to do so. When you live by the sword, you die by the sword )
99% of fans revere and honor our Teams name and logo and because of that, as you can see in the article I've linked, the Teams donations and interaction with the Sauk Tribe have continued to grow and they have embraced the Logo and name. Right or wrong.....anything that's helps sustain a beautiful culture is a good thing for the Native Americans as a whole but especially this tribe.
I recognize that many Native Americans would be against the logo and even members of the South tribe would be against it, but at the end of the day, it's just a logo and people should move on with their lives. If I'm descended from a pirate, am I allowed to sue the Pittsburgh baseball team to make them stop using that as a logo because it offends me anybody can be offended by anything and at some point you just gotta keep it moving. so even if it's offensive to some people it's ended up doing good for many people today. I don't see anything wrong with that......but way to be a dik bro.
And as far as me trying to spread misinformation again, my second sentence was, I don't know if this is true, which is the signal to anyone reading it that you should not be a lazy POS and do your own dam research into a certain topic or situation I wasn't trying to mislead or lie to anyone sir......but again....way to be a dik bro.
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Naming a team Blackhawks and naming them Redskins are two different things. I do not think the intention of the initial franchise owner was to mock anyone but to pay tribute. I grew up with a small Motorola TV that was filled every night with Cowboys and Indians on 3 networks in the 50s and 60s. So does anyone think we should destroy all the old black and white reruns? It is nonsensical.
 
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Naming a team Blackhawks and naming them Redskins are two different things. I do not think the intention of the initial franchise owner was to mock anyone but to pay tribute. I grew up with a small Motorola TV that was filled every night with Cowboys and Indians on 3 networks in the 50s and 60s. So does anyone think we should destroy all the old black and white reruns? It is nonsensical.
Funny Caleb’s reference basically pointed to the fact that the Tribe was totally ok as long as they got more $$. I guess even integrity can be bought. It’s all about the coins.
 

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The Cubs were me StepGrandmother Dodie’s favorite team. When I was a teenager in the 80’s me and my StepBro would go to her house regular as she lived 2 blocks away. She always had the Cubs on her console tv. She also always stocked donuts and Cookies on the kitchen table so maybe the sugar high and Harry Caray was like some combustion high. Lol

Interesting. I also saw someone reference 1960.1961. Or maybe it was ‘59-60
In 1960 we ran over the 9ers 41-14 in the first of 2 games.
I met Harry a few times. Back in the early 70s I was in the box seats and he cut through from his pregame interview to get upstairs. Gave him a business card. He was promoting Falstaff Beer at the time but I was wearing a yellow shirt that said Schlitz. He actually would sip beer during his broadcast.
 

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Just outside of Oregon, IL, by the Rock River, is a memorial statue of Chief Blackhawk. I used to see it quite often, living in the area, and studied the history of him and the Sauk tribe. The Sauk people were killed by the US military, and the few that escaped found refuge in Wisconsin with the Ho Chunk tribe. Eventually, Blackhawk surrendered to the American government, to insure that the handful of his followers could survive.
Thank you for good info like a gentleman sir.
 
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In 1960 we ran over the 9ers 41-14 in the first of 2 games.
I met Harry a few times. Back in the early 70s I was in the box seats and he cut through from his pregame interview to get upstairs. Gave him a business card. He was promoting Falstaff Beer at the time but I was wearing a yellow shirt that said Schlitz. He actually would sip beer during his broadcast.
Thats a neat memory. I just know him good enough to remember him to Chicago was like Howard Cosell to Muhammad Ali or Frick was to Frack
 

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I think the only "Dik" here is youself...
"Bro".

Way to be a condescending one at that.

Your "Hey I said it might not be true" doesn't excuse you for pushing B.S. and then trying to play the victim when called on it.

BTW ..."Bro"....your thinking that the "logo" is the problem and that "people should just move on", tells me just how shallow and uninformed you are.
Yaaaaaaaaawwwwwnnnnn
Lmk when y'all find a new cause to get your underwear in a twist. Unreal. Y'all can take a conversation about how much we love hockey and what a great sport. It is into this BS. Y'all need wives or hobbies or to just get a effin life.
 

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The culture for winning just isn't there. Like you said, new ownership is needed. It's a lot like the Washington Commanders. Under new ownership, they're turning into a winner. It's one of those unseen things that is there, and has to be addressed. The days of George Halas, and yes, even Vince Lombardi are in the rear view mirror. In today's game, the players would revolt against them as coaches, and as front office managers.
The family is definitely a problem, but it's also just being stuck in a defensive mindset and not actually wanting a high-powered New Age offense but we have the most important piece a good quarterback so with that foundation hopefully next we can get a great head coach and then everything falls into place after that.
But yes. The McFailskays have been atrocious owners.
 

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