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noun
  1. the capacity to gain an accurate and deep intuitive understanding of a person or thing.
    "this paper is alive with sympathetic insight into Shakespeare"

I think he nailed it the first time calling it a gripe. There isn't anything insightful in your post at all.
 

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I think he nailed it the first time calling it a gripe. There isn't anything insightful in your post at all.

My post, my opinion. Period....

What you choose to call it, or how you categorize it is entirely your problem...

And let me repeat, I'm not convinced about MLF.
Yes he has a winning record so far; but he's also not convinced, IMO....

Not in the least!
 

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My post, my opinion. Period....

What you choose to call it, or how you categorize it is entirely your problem...

And let me repeat, I'm not convinced about MLF.
Yes he has a winning record so far; but he's also not convinced, IMO....

Not in the least!
ok. I was just trying to help you. If you don't want it, that is entirely your problem.

Insight would be telling us why you feel that way. Examples, something in his fortitude you're aware of that makes you feel this way. what is your intimate knowledge of our head coach that makes you think he's just a lightweight? can't do a keg stand? drinks appletinis?

What you did was Gripe and complain. You don't come here to give insight. there's a difference. Then you tried to be a smart *** to someone and ended up looking like a ********. I'm here to help you.
 

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Studs
Z. Smith
Clark

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Rodgers -- poor decision making. Strip sack was a killer. Almost had two. Didn't throw guys open. Didn't look engaged. Wasted too much time.

D. Adams -- penalty early on was a killer. Stupid. Was it a weak call? Yes. But why take the chance? Act like a professional.

King -- totally blew coverage on Kittle TD. Embarrassing. Packers tied up so many draft picks on DBs and this is a starting corner? Better sign more free agents.

R. Gary -- is he still on the team? I didn't like the selection at the time and still don't. I wanted Montez Sweat. I haven't checked Sweat's production lately but it can't be worse than Gary. Packers seldom draft that high; can't afford a bust. That's on Gute.

Martinez -- cannot cover anybody. Can't do it. Give up. Need at least one ILB who can cover, or just play more safeties.

Scott -- WTF happened to this guy?

Special teams -- abysmal. Negative yardage after receiving a punt that should have been either fair caught or left alone? That's mental breakdown/bad coaching.

Biggest dud: MLF. Two weeks to prepare and laid a major egg on the West Coast. Again. And made no meaningful halftime adjustments. Had one series involving trickery, misdirection, motion -- the reverse to Lazard was nice. That series actually moved the chains. The we go back to Aaron standing there waiting to be sacked. Also: do not run up the middle against SF defensive front. They are actually good at their jobs. Stupid. I felt sorry for A. Jones getting sent into that wood chipper repeatedly.

MLF is a young coach. He's 8-3 and has been a refreshing change from stale McCarthy. But I hope this was a big learning experience for him.

Packers have one more tough game. SF has several. Packers, believe it or not, could still get the number one NFC seed. Win out at I think they will likely get 1 or 2 seed. That would be a great turnaround from last year.

Have to take care of business against weaker teams and then go into Minnesota ready to play and take no prisoners.
 

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ok. I was just trying to help you. If you don't want it, that is entirely your problem.

Insight would be telling us why you feel that way. Examples, something in his fortitude you're aware of that makes you feel this way. what is your intimate knowledge of our head coach that makes you think he's just a lightweight? can't do a keg stand? drinks appletinis?

What you did was Gripe and complain. You don't come here to give insight. there's a difference. Then you tried to be a smart *** to someone and ended up looking like a ********. I'm here to help you.

Thanks for the help. But didn't ask for it; don't need it...

Its my opinion about MLF from watching the games. I don't have to offer anyone any deeper thoughts than that, if I choose not to. What's so difficult to understand about that?

And yes, I'm complaining b/c I'm just not convinced about his team, in spite of the record.
Hopefully I'm proven wrong...
 

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One area where I think MLF has to give in, is his apparent total abandonment of the no huddle or hurry up offense. I realize with young WR's, this isn't an easy thing to ask, but it might be time to at least try it and see what happens.

The offense showed no urgency last night, despite being down by 23 and then 22 in the second half. Still huddling, still slowly walking back to the huddle and #12 taking the play clock down under 5. Unleash the beast in Rodgers, allow him to beat a defense that isn't quite ready on every single snap! Stick with 11 players, stop allowing the defense to substitute, stay fresh and stare down the Packer offense, figuring out what they are doing.
 
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Dud: I’m at a loss for words due to a deeply yet gently suppressed mild Packer depression.

Stud: However! The light in me brought to my attention the truth, God is still just fine n dandy! He spoke to me through the words of Dennis Green “They are who we thought they were”
I’m probably wrong but I also remembered it “and we aren’t who we thought we were!”?
never give up! GPG
“The secret is to start from scratch and keep on scratching”
 
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I thought Aaron Rodgers played his worst game of the season. I understand that he was under constant duress, and that at times guys couldn't get open, but there were several occasions he just made some really lousy throws. And poor decisions.

The defense held up about as well as you could expect especially early on.

What's really troubling to me is that, in games like the Chargers and 49ers, LaFleur has shown an inability to adjust to what's happening right in front of him. Why didn't we go more hurry up to negate their pass rush? Why the weak 4th and 1 handoff? He had absolutely no answers and made zero adjustments throughout the game. That's troubling.

Just like the Chargers game, the energy and 'juice' as Rodgers likes to call it just wasn't there. And that's a dangerous thing that seems to be turning into a trend.

Rodgers last night just didn't have that laser focus. He didn't have that killer instinct, or that 'look in his eye' for lack of a better way of putting it. I want to see the assassin. I want to see the guy that said 'r-e-l-a-x'. I want to see the guy that basically said damnit we're going to run the table, and play like the guy who's the best MFing quarterback in the NFL.

Last night, I just didn't see it.

He and LaFleur need to figure this thing out. Because in my opinion, they are the two most culpable for last night. There were a lot of issues, but it's nothing that a few adjustments, and more focus/leadership couldn't have fixed to at least make the game more competitive.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: That`s all I`m gonna say !
 

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Thanks for the help. But didn't ask for it; don't need it...

Its my opinion about MLF from watching the games. I don't have to offer anyone any deeper thoughts than that, if I choose not to. What's so difficult to understand about that?

And yes, I'm complaining b/c I'm just not convinced about his team, in spite of the record.
Hopefully I'm proven wrong...
well, you did need it. you see, you called it insight, despite it just being a gripe and complaint. you told someone to google it. now you know the difference.

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth :laugh:
 

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The Packers have been able to pick up chunk plays when Rodgers has had time to scan and locate options down the field, as well as off of play action when the running game is working.

The early fumble and quick SF score put them down quickly and made it harder to stick to and establish the run. And without the running game, the PA game was not as effective. The pass rush of the 49ers made it extremely difficult to find downfield options. Sometimes Rodgers had no time, sometimes he had time and no one opened up, sometimes people came open and he missed them.

Thus the Packers had to rely on the quick passing game. But that plays into the weakness of Green Bay's personnel. We have very few players who are threats to create after the catch. Aaron Jones can, but that's about it. Adams is OK, but it's not his strength. Allison, Graham, MVS, Lazard, Kumerow... none of them are what you would call explosive in a short area. They're all either striders or just plain slow.

So the game script and opponent forced the team into an approach that plays against their strengths, and the results were predictable.

I think this was illustrated most vividly in the play that Collinsworth pointed out of the 49ers ignoring Graham. Graham ran out to the flat at the beginning of a running play. In theory, this is supposed to draw off attention in the case of an RPO or play action pass. He was totally ignored. Because Jimmy Graham catching the ball in the flat, even if he's wide open, is probably an 8 yard play at most. So who cares?
 

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well, you did need it. you see, you called it insight, despite it just being a gripe and complaint. you told someone to google it. now you know the difference.

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth :laugh:

The only thing I stated was my opinion. Never called it insight. Why is this so hard to accept?

Perhaps you shouldn't put words to my mouth:laugh:

Just not convinced about MLF.

Hopefully time will change this....
 
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I don't have to post my views to actually hold those views, hence they are called insights.

Perhaps you should first google the word rather than search for my posts...
You don't have history to show your insight. So how do we believe you? We don't.
 
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I don't have to post my views to actually hold those views, hence they are called insights.

Perhaps you should first google the word rather than search for my posts...
Insights you said it
 

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The only thing I stated was my opinion. Never called it insight. Why is this so hard to accept?

Perhaps you shouldn't put words to my mouth:laugh:

Just not convinced about MLF.

Hopefully time will change this....
Maybe you didn't.


I don't have to post my views to actually hold those views, hence they are called insights.

Perhaps you should first google the word rather than search for my posts...
 

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I thought Aaron Rodgers played his worst game of the season. I understand that he was under constant duress, and that at times guys couldn't get open, but there were several occasions he just made some really lousy throws. And poor decisions.

The defense held up about as well as you could expect especially early on.

What's really troubling to me is that, in games like the Chargers and 49ers, LaFleur has shown an inability to adjust to what's happening right in front of him. Why didn't we go more hurry up to negate their pass rush? Why the weak 4th and 1 handoff? He had absolutely no answers and made zero adjustments throughout the game. That's troubling.

Just like the Chargers game, the energy and 'juice' as Rodgers likes to call it just wasn't there. And that's a dangerous thing that seems to be turning into a trend.

Rodgers last night just didn't have that laser focus. He didn't have that killer instinct, or that 'look in his eye' for lack of a better way of putting it. I want to see the assassin. I want to see the guy that said 'r-e-l-a-x'. I want to see the guy that basically said damnit we're going to run the table, and play like the guy who's the best MFing quarterback in the NFL.

Last night, I just didn't see it.

He and LaFleur need to figure this thing out. Because in my opinion, they are the two most culpable for last night. There were a lot of issues, but it's nothing that a few adjustments, and more focus/leadership couldn't have fixed to at least make the game more competitive.

Add the Eagles game to that...
 

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We are lucky to be playing teams like the Giants and Redskins the coming weeks to keep us in the play for the playoffs. But at this point I see all the other NFC teams with the big records as better then us (Niners, Seahawks, Saint, Vikings).

I have said it all season, we have not had any consistency, especially on offense. Our secondary and pass rush is nice, but nothing more than that. We are a strong WR, TE and DL, LB away of fielding a championship caliber team, and especially the fact that we miss a WR has been very clear. I am extremely disappointed that we did not address this position during the draft or before trade deadline, we had options.

Of our remaining 5 games, I at most see us lose 2, which will probably still get us into the playoffs. But unfortunately we wont be getting too far. That being said, considering where we were last year we can be very happy, as Gute and MLF have put us in prime position to compete in the nearby future.

PS: Do you guys think that we FO cut Daniels in order to see what Clark really is made of and potentially depress the value of his new contract? We would have probably signed him to a monster deal if Daniels would still be lined up next to him this season.

I think the FO cut Daniels because of his performance on the field. He is playing poorly for Detroit this year. We need to upgrade Lowry and Lancaster for sure, however. Clark is great but he can't do it all by himself.
 

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Dud, the biggest dud: Rodgers.

There were receivers who were open enough. The pass rush was tremendous, but AR needs to take that into account. He can't move around as he once did.

But the biggest dud on him is after the failed 4th down in the first half and he looks over at MLF with a scowl and a 'see I told you so' look on his face. I expect that kind of leadership from Cutler.

It is hard to throw to open receivers when you are running for your life.

I have a feeling if they put a camera on MFL he was scowling too. The HAVE to scrap that play in that situation. It has failed big time 2 games in a row. We got away with it against Carolina because their D isn't as good as SF's. If you are gonna try to run for the line to gain like that put a FB back there to lead block. Not taking the points and getting stuffed at the LOS there gave SF more momentum than they already had. :tdown:
 

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I think Rogers panics when he is being rushed. I feel the team focus is on his wellbeing. The focus is on not getting hurt. Holding onto the ball is a close 2nd focus, so the ball comes out. He looks worried on most plays. I'm for drafting someone like him or Favre in 2020. He is still the best, just a lot slower, banged up and longevity is his focus.

All QBs get flustered when they have pass rushers in their lap- including Brady.
 

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Overall, this feels like our 15-1 season after the superbowl, albeit we won't be 15-1. Lots of talk prior to this game about our success and how great the team CAN be, but then we see a dud like this. I think we'll roll over our next few opponents and get smoked by someone in the playoffs. Maybe we win one home game if we get the division. But this team has serious flaws.

ILB - this needs retooling like how our OLB's were retooled.
WR - we need a serious influx of talented receivers, or we need a free agent.
O-line - we need more protection for Rodgers. Bulaga is held together by band-aids.

I think our next draft should be HEAVILY in favor of the above positions.
 

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The defense came to play, but wore down with the constant punting from the offense. King seriously blew it on the long touchdown.

They demonstrated in flashes that they could move the ball on SF, but they needed to stay on schedule and avoid the 3rd and longs. Bad passes, dropped passes, penalties, and bad calls/non-calls prevented that from happening.

Ugly, ugly game. But 8-3 nonetheless, with a nice slate of games coming up in which they can get right.

We can thank TT for drafting King instead of TJ Watt. :( I saw King on one of those local football shows a few weeks ago and King doesn't appear to be the smartest bulb in the knife drawer.
 

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