"Realistic" WR Discussions...

[Pugger]

I'd love to have AJ Green, or Juiio Jones even..but it's not happening

https://bengalswire.usatoday.com/2019/10/27/nfl-trade-rumors-teams-calling-bengals-aj-green/

Guys that good are just not ever traded

I don't know about that. Who would have dreamed Oakland would deal Khalil Mack...

 

[greengold]

Glazer evidently did not ask himself the question, "Why in the world would Houston trade Hopkins?"

Houston is solidly in the playoff hunt. Hopkins is 27 years old. His contract is manageable and runs through 2022. Houston has $20 mil in the cap bank for a Watson extension if they are so inclined.

Of all the name WRs mentioned in this thread Hopkins is the last guy to be on the move.

That's funny and all, and I was not saying anything about viability, but, if the right offer were to be made, any player can be traded. Just shared the info HRE and Pokerbrat2000.

 

[Dantés]

I don't know if anyone is gonna want Jackson these days...

A defense like Seattle or San Francisco might have interest as a "buy low" guy.

 

[GleefulGary]

Glazer evidently did not ask himself the question, "Why in the world would Houston trade Hopkins?"

Houston is solidly in the playoff hunt. Hopkins is 27 years old. His contract is manageable and runs through 2022. Houston has $20 mil in the cap bank for a Watson extension if they are so inclined.

Of all the name WRs mentioned in this thread Hopkins is the last guy to be on the move.

Teams have contacted Houston about Hopkins /=/ Houston wants to trade Hopkins

Reading is fundamental.

 

[GleefulGary]

It won't happen, but I want Alex Erickson.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't know if anyone is gonna want Jackson these days...

Think it's going to have to be a team that plays a lot of zone or is willing to try and convert him to S.

Ha Ha, Randall and Rollins were all disappointments in Green Bay, but they at least were on the field playing and providing something at times. Jackson is out there somewhere, but almost invisible. Except for the Raider game, when he was given an opportunity to play CB for 5 snaps and gave up 2 receptions, including a TD.

The silver lining, we don't need Jackson. King has stayed healthy and for the most part the rest of the secondary is playing pretty well.

 

[greengold]

A defense like Seattle or San Francisco might have interest as a "buy low" guy.

Add to that, there is ALWAYS a coach who will say, "I can coach him up the right way, our way..." Never know how Josh Jackson was positioned on many other teams' draft boards. He has value.

 

[GleefulGary]

Alexander
King
Williams
Sully
Brown
Jackson

What a disappointment. Him and Burks. Hard to do well when you whiff on day 2 picks.

 

[AmishMafia]

Alexander
King
Williams
Sully
Brown
Jackson

What a disappointment. Him and Burks. Hard to do well when you whiff on day 2 picks.

Fire Gute!!!!

 

[AmishMafia]

Wow. I'm a bit proud of this entire forum. 19 pages of potential WR acquisitions and no mention of Dez Bryant. At least a search of Bryant turn up zero hits.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Wow. I'm a bit proud of this entire forum. 19 pages of potential WR acquisitions and no mention of Dez Bryant. At least a search of Bryant turn up zero hits.

Who is Dez Bryant?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It's also been awhile since we have heard this guy's name. Apparently, his Halloween Costume is a hot seller right now!

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[Scotland Yard]

guys. He made a couple big plays but just slow the hell down anointing him as the #2 or #3 WR.

Its the ultimate reactionary crazy fan mindset to think a guy should be in a starting role based on 4 catches.

I wouldve thought people wouldve learned after Janis.... I was wrong apparently

Lazard led all Packer WR's with 5 catches vs. KC. Allison & Scantling were almost total nonfactors. As PkrJones and I have written, Lazard needs to move up the depth chart, and that appears to be happening.

You comparing Lazard to Janis is what is truly crazy. Janis never had Lazard's size, hands and catch radius. Maybe you just aren't a good judge of talent. The part where you said "I was wrong apparently" does ring true, I'll give you that.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Teams have contacted Houston about Hopkins /=/ Houston wants to trade Hopkins

Reading is fundamental.

Houston wants to trade Hopkins? Where does it say that? D*mn right reading is fundamental and some understanding of how things work also helps.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Wow. I'm a bit proud of this entire forum. 19 pages of potential WR acquisitions and no mention of Dez Bryant. At least a search of Bryant turn up zero hits.

Terrell Owens and Randy Moss might have come up in the discussion.

 

[RRyder]

Lazard led all Packer WR's with 5 catches vs. KC. Allison & Scantling were almost total nonfactors. As PkrJones and I have written, Lazard needs to move up the depth chart, and that appears to be happening.

You comparing Lazard to Janis is what is truly crazy. Janis never had Lazard's size, hands and catch radius. Maybe you just aren't a good judge of talent. The part where you said "I was wrong apparently" does ring true, I'll give you that.

I'm not sure what point your trying to make bringing up a post from 3 weeks ago where we were going back and forth because you said 4 catches made him the #2 and my replies were he earned more playing time with those 4 catches let's see if he can keep it up before he rockets up the depth chart.

Based on snap count this past week it would appear hes right there with Allison and MVS in terms of seeing the field. 2 more snaps then Allison and 3 more then MVS. Great for him. Happy hes earning his playing time. (fyi none of that actually makes my statements wrong or you right). It will be curious to see how Adams return effects his playing time. Hes not going to steal either Adams or MVS snaps in the preferred lineup (MVS speed needs to be on the field) but I could see a time share program between Lazzard and Allison depending on whether Adams lines up in the slot or out wide being the deciding factor on who plays more

In any case the stance, when these posts were being made, that you had of considering him the #2 based on 4 catches is still just well... Let's just say silly and not tied to last night because as I repeatedly said a few weeks ago. Saying a guy should rocket up the depth chart due to a couple of catches is right is pretty much what happened with Janis. Never did I say if he continues to produce will he not be moved up.

But feel free to think you've won one here

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I would be equally shocked if the Packers sign Gordon, but still have to look at all factors if considering it.

The Packers won't end up with Gordon as one team ahead of them in the waiver order will take a chance on him.

So many possibilities have to be opening up. I mean, how many here wanted us to draft Andy Isabella? I would imagine, for the right price, there’s your instant slot/chain mover. What was he? an R2? Would he be worth an R2 and an R4 next year? Unproven in NFL, but a gifted small slot WR/KR with speed, precise route running and great hands. “Chain mover” was his draft calling card. Just one example where ARI might like to make such a move. Never know what opportunities may present.

Teams are interested in trading veterans that are preferably in the last year of their current contract at the deadline. They don't move on from players they have just drafted early several months ago though.

But guys that could help us would be like say AJ Green who is an athletic freak and is probably viable with say a 3rd or so

The Packers shouldn't be interested in trading for Green as he hasn't been able to stay healthy lately.

You realize that Woods will have to learn a new playbook right? Develop trust, timing, and the relationship with AR too

I think he'd be a slight upgrade over Kumerow and Lazard for sure, but "how much"

If we had got someone like Aj Green, Julio Jones or Sanders(traded already i know) then it's a no brainer.. those guys are just much better

Woods had 86 receptions for 1,219 yards last season. He would definitely be a significant upgrade over Lazard or Kumerow.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Looks like we can stop all the trade talks concerning WR's, if the Packers want the fastest man on earth, he is ready to sign! But damn, 33 is probably too old for a WR?

https://www.tmj4.com/sports/green-b...bolt-says-hes-open-to-playing-for-the-packers

 

[Poppa San]

Is Aaron Jones filling the slot receiver role @ the moment? If so, do we need a dedicated slot receiver? Would Shepherd be able to come out of the backfield akin to when Cobb did? I saw Graham line up in a fullback spot and catch a dump off in the flat for a first down after he bowled over the defender. Looks to me like all our skill players play interchangeable spots.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Is Aaron Jones filling the slot receiver role @ the moment? If so, do we need a dedicated slot receiver? Would Shepherd be able to come out of the backfield akin to when Cobb did? I saw Graham line up in a fullback spot and catch a dump off in the flat for a first down after he bowled over the defender. Looks to me like all our skill players play interchangeable spots.

Some very valid points and this possibly was one of the silver linings with Davante's injury, it somewhat forced MLF to find more creative ways to use all of his pass catchers. The success over the last 4 games with it, is probably going to lead Gute to not make a last minute trade for a WR as well.

With #12 at QB, as long as MLF and the Packers offense keeps mixing it up like they have and spreading the ball around, once Davante is back, they may find they really didn't need another high end WR on the roster. The big test will be against the better defenses. Ones that are able to cover Jones AND Davante and force the Packers to try and hurt them with the rest of their options.

Sunday nights game probably ended the ability to match Aaron Jones up with just an average coverage LB, the Chiefs kept doing it and kept getting burned. I doubt other defenses are going to make that same mistake.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Is Aaron Jones filling the slot receiver role @ the moment?

Yes and no.

The "no" is they've been splitting him wide looking for mismatches. In the KC game they got him isolated against a LB a few times. In previous games they split him wide more than slot. It's more like he's substituing for Adams' productivity from an opportunistic though not a schematic standpoint.

His two big plays against the Cheifs were a go route against a LB from motion to a wideout spot; the second a bubble screen from the wideout spot.

He's made some other nice routes and catches out of the backfield. That wheel-out-slant-in against the Chiefs was pretty nifty, again against a LB. But I wouldn't call that a slot substitution either. We're just not accustomed to having a RB in Green Bay who is productive in the passing games. I mean Starks, or even going back to Brandon Jackson, are guys not in this class. Those guys it could be argued were not even in Williams' class as a receiver. Again, this is opportunistic, not schematic, using talent where it is best applied.

The "yes" is there are teams in this league that throw to certain running backs a lot. There's only so much ball to go around. Those guys are usually substituting for TE or slot production in being featured this way in their scheme, whether they run out of the slot or not.

 

[OldSchool101]

In just his 3rd season, Aaron Jones has become the Universal Contemporary RB. He’s on a Davante Adams production level and possibly surpasses him from the respect of his being versatile in this style Offense. Jones is pacing 1642 yards from scrimmage by seasons end and 22 TDs. That’s just incredible production and we can now say with confidence “we’ve found a gem”. That emergence of Jones as a 2nd reliable dual threat RB (Williams has shown to be competent at both also) combined with flashes of productivity from WR Lazard and Kumerow had to make Gutey feel more content at WR at yesterdays deadline.

We didn’t necessarily have a hand good enough to raise (without bluffing), but we absolutely have a good enough hand to stay in, build upon and give us a shot at winning.

In a weird way, the temporary loss of Davante was a blessing in disguise. It forced us to both get creative and to test our young RBs and WRs. Some stepped up and shined, 1 got found out (Shep). But that’s ok, it’s early and we have time to make adjustments.

If we can get Davante back healthy and a Tonyan/Sternberger more involved, we could be even more dynamic Offensively weeks 9-17 and on into the playoffs.

 

[rodell330]

I don't know if anyone is gonna want Jackson these days...

I legit forgot he was o the active roster smh.

 

[greengold]

Titans just cut WR/KR Darius Jennings, who led the NFL in KOR average last year....

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I would say that this is a good sign that Davante is getting close to coming back!

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