Packer Receivers in 2024

[Calebs Revenge]

No you're ok. You explained why you asked the question and that cleared it up. We all do that here because all we have are words, and words are rarely enough. And as you say you follow the Bears and that makes your question a lot easier to understand. Bottom line is that MLF drew up two great game plans for Willis. He wasn't asked to throw much, and when he did they were high-percentage plays. All good.

Thnks bubby!

 

[Heyjoe4]

Thnks bubby!

LOL. I appreciated the explanation for your question. Words can be very limiting, especially written words.

 

[OldSchool101]

I like that this was labeled “Receivers” and not “WRs”. Opens up a broad topic that I think has resurfaced as worthy at the midway point.

 

[OldSchool101]

Going a little off topic here.

Those are all good points OS. As good as the WRs are as a group (and arguably Reed is the best), they don't have a clear #1 like Adams, Nelson, Jennings.

@Heyjoe4 True that and no we don’t. Although Reed has become very similar to AJ Brown. I’d call him a lower end WR1 production wise

In other words someone who can stretch the field and must be accounted for when on the field.

@milani.
I was hoping Watson was that guy but not thus far.

What I like most about having someone on the field at WR, who can stretch the field, is that it pretty much ties up one of the safeties, and essentially a CB too.

@Voyageur.
Yeah he was supposed to be that guy imo. Hes not living up to a #33 overall selection in year 3 though

 

[OldSchool101]

I’d also add that losing Musgrave for basically the season didn’t help. He may never be Jimmy Graham, but in the Passing game he has a legit opportunity to stay over 500+ yards per season be just being on the field. I still think his ceiling is higher as a Receiving threat. He’s really a bigger “pseudo WR” at 6’6”. Good hands, above average Route runner, deceptive long strider in the open field. They are still claiming he could be back before postseason, but at what condition idk.
Luke’s size and athletic profile is intriguing. He’s too fast for most LB’s and too Big/Tall for most DB’s. By the grace of God Tucker really stepped his game up in the meantime.

Doubs doesn’t jump out at me as one that will ever be a true WR1 type. However, he’s absolutely got great high point, good understanding of routes and concepts, and sticky hands. Which apparently is hard to teach.

Watson is either overvalued or he’s a slow riser. Injuries have hampered him, but he’s still not some “force to be reckoned with” either. He does give us credibility as a vertical threat when on the field. If you ignore him all game, he’ll punish you out of thin air with a big play. He has fantastic speed both short area and long ball speed. I’d like to see him used more in medium short crossers where he can use his momentum and afterburners. He’s seemingly too often just jumping up trying to high point instead of using his best weapon. elite Speed

 

[milani]

@Heyjoe4 True that and no we don’t. Although Reed has become very similar to AJ Brown. I’d call him a lower end WR1 production wise

@milani.
I was hoping Watson was that guy but not thus far.

@Voyageur.
Yeah he was supposed to be that guy imo. Hes not living up to a #33 overall selection in year 3 though

Yes, Watson was gifted with speed but just does not take advantage of it. You wonder why Donald Driver had such a solid career in Green Bay. Not the fastest, not the tallest, not the strongest. But he worked as hard or harder than any Packer in his tenure. And even after retirement he Danced with the Stars.

 

[Voyageur]

Yes, Watson was gifted with speed but just does not take advantage of it. You wonder why Donald Driver had such a solid career in Green Bay. Not the fastest, not the tallest, not the strongest. But he worked as hard or harder than any Packer in his tenure. And even after retirement he Danced with the Stars.

Doubs is quite a bit like Donald was. He plays the game between his ears as much as physically. When you constantly work to improve your game, good results can happen. I remember early in Driver's career a lot of people thinking he was never going to be a top receiver. He just sneaked up on everyone and made it happen. Ergo... Doubs.

Watson does have some speed, but like you said, is not really that good at exploiting it. It might change, until then, they have a couple of other candidates as well, who can turn on the jets fairly well.

What I like most about our receiving corps is the diversity of skills, and ability to read defenses. It makes them unpredictable. Funny how that works out. Sometimes it's good when a receiver misses their route, because it opens the play up later.

 

[OldSchool101]

Doubs is quite a bit like Donald was. He plays the game between his ears as much as physically. When you constantly work to improve your game, good results can happen. I remember early in Driver's career a lot of people thinking he was never going to be a top receiver. He just sneaked up on everyone and made it happen. Ergo... Doubs.

Wow. I’m so glad you brought up Driver again. I went back to relook at his career numbers and what really stood out to me (and I would’ve never guessed it) is that Donald really didn’t get going until Year 4. Matter of fact, his Sophomore season (2000) ran a 42.9% catch rate. 21/49 with 1 TD. However he did a really good job at 14.8 yards per catch so he made those count. Also he didn’t let that deter him. He came back over the next two seasons (2001-02) 56/83 combined or 67.5% catch rate. Donald Driver took his 4th season… but never looked back. Driver blew it up with over 100 targets and 1,062 yards and 9 TD’s with an amazing 15.2 per catch statline. He finished with over 10,000+ yards and respectable 60.2% completion rate and a very solid 13.6 per catch.

This reminds me a lot of Wicks because it’s similar to where Dontayvion is hovering also in his Sophomore season. Wicks was eerily similar 67.2% in his Rookie season on good sample or 39/58. Stands to reason that Wicks’ current slump of 37.2% 16/43 thus far can be corrected. I’d love to see them really get Wicks more focused on catching and securing the ball. It’s very obvious he’s one of the best at separation, which is harder to teach imo.

If we were to suddenly get that type Driver production from Wicks I would imagine this Offense would explode.

 

[Voyageur]

Wow. I’m so glad you brought up Driver again. I went back to relook at his career numbers and what really stood out to me (and I would’ve never guessed it) is that Donald really didn’t get going until Year 4. Matter of fact, his Sophomore season (2000) ran a 42.9% catch rate. 21/49 with 1 TD. However he did a really good job at 14.8 yards per catch so he made those count. Also he didn’t let that deter him. He came back over the next two seasons (2001-02) 56/83 combined or 67.5% catch rate. Donald Driver took his 4th season… but never looked back. Driver blew it up with over 100 targets and 1,062 yards and 9 TD’s with an amazing 15.2 per catch statline. He finished with over 10,000+ yards and respectable 60.2% completion rate and a very solid 13.6 per catch.

This reminds me a lot of Wicks because it’s similar to where Dontayvion is hovering also in his Sophomore season. Wicks was eerily similar 67.2% in his Rookie season on good sample or 39/58. Stands to reason that Wicks’ current slump of 37.2% 16/43 thus far can be corrected. I’d love to see them really get Wicks more focused on catching and securing the ball. It’s very obvious he’s one of the best at separation, which is harder to teach imo.

I saw it in Driver from the start. He reminded me of Fred Biletnikoff. He played the game between his ears, and that's what made him great. I've always been able to see special things in players who will make it. It's just "there," and not easy to describe. It's like when I saw James Jones, coming into camp, I knew he was going to put up numbers, because while running routes, his hip rotation was perfection. He did not have even the slightest hesitation in getting back to speed. When the hips came around, he was flat gone, and you weren't going to get that step back. One thing that both Driver and Doubs do, that I wish all receivers did. Their game included/includes getting your body between the defender and the ball in a way that they can't get to it, or make the INT. It's such a subtle thing out there, but you can see some players do it, others don't. Wicks will hopefully learn to do that. Until he does, I don't like the idea of throwing to him in the middle of the field too much. Watson, on the other hand, does it some of the time, and not at other times. I think it's the mental thing about getting injured that stops him at times. Reed probably has the best reach catch on the team, for a long ball. He gets those arms out and still maintains body control, and has good hands for grabbing the ball. His only problem is that he doesn't always go flat out after passing defenders. He isn't loafing, but he also isn't getting the separation he could, because I think he questions if anyone can throw it deep enough for his speed. It will develop more as time goes on.

To be honest, I have never been this up on a group of WRs being on the roster at one time in the past. This group is solid, and I don't think adding and subtracting from it is a good idea, except down at the lowest level on the team. You want that continuity, and knowledge and experience each brings to the table.

There's so much potential on this roster that it's sick. Now, if they can find some help on both sides of the LOS in the trenches, it's going to be several years of having the potential of getting another Lombardi or two.

 

[milani]

Wow. I’m so glad you brought up Driver again. I went back to relook at his career numbers and what really stood out to me (and I would’ve never guessed it) is that Donald really didn’t get going until Year 4. Matter of fact, his Sophomore season (2000) ran a 42.9% catch rate. 21/49 with 1 TD. However he did a really good job at 14.8 yards per catch so he made those count. Also he didn’t let that deter him. He came back over the next two seasons (2001-02) 56/83 combined or 67.5% catch rate. Donald Driver took his 4th season… but never looked back. Driver blew it up with over 100 targets and 1,062 yards and 9 TD’s with an amazing 15.2 per catch statline. He finished with over 10,000+ yards and respectable 60.2% completion rate and a very solid 13.6 per catch.

This reminds me a lot of Wicks because it’s similar to where Dontayvion is hovering also in his Sophomore season. Wicks was eerily similar 67.2% in his Rookie season on good sample or 39/58. Stands to reason that Wicks’ current slump of 37.2% 16/43 thus far can be corrected. I’d love to see them really get Wicks more focused on catching and securing the ball. It’s very obvious he’s one of the best at separation, which is harder to teach imo.

If we were to suddenly get that type Driver production from Wicks I would imagine this Offense would explode.

When Driver came on the scene Antonio Freeman was the premier receiver. Favre had a lot to do with Driver's acceleration because he gave him opportunity. Driver got better because of the incentive. When signing his second contract with the Packers Driver broke into tears because he had the money to provide for his mother and grandmother who raised him. And he delivered the rest of his career.

 

[tynimiller]

I hate to type this BUT,

This team is CLOSE. HOWEVER, as we all know CB is a dire need, as is serious help in the front 7 to push this group to truly special. That, said...I want Gute to make us better by using our deepest asset. With that in mind, I fully support Gute trading one WR named Doubs, Watson and Reed before next year.

I get it if you hate this concept or this idea. I DESPISE it BUT to take a big swing this team needs to make it happen and we are LOADED at WR with capable guys. Say you trade Doubs....you still have Watson, Reed, Wicks, Heath, Melton without even possibly drafting or adding an experienced FA this offseason. PLUS we should have a healthy Musgrave next year who is a psuedo WR/TE type guy.

GB needs to do some serious swinging at our limited holes and issue spots...imagine adding an additional Day2 draft equity or using one of these guys along with a third or second to get a second 1st round pick....

 

[Thirteen Below]

I get it if you hate this concept or this idea. I DESPISE it BUT to take a big swing this team needs to make it happen and we are LOADED at WR with capable guys. Say you trade Doubs....you still have Watson, Reed, Wicks, Heath, Melton without even possibly drafting or adding an experienced FA this offseason.

I sure don't hate it - I've been advocating it for a year, that we trade at least one receiver sometime this season to fill a hole or two. I'm totally for it.

After next season, we're going to start losing some of these guys for nothing but comp picks anyway, so this is the year we should identify which ones are most important to keep, and start thinning the herd.

 

[Schultz]

IMO I would prefer to trade (Watson) for an NFL current starter. I do not see much immediate help from rookies these past few seasons at the weak spots.

 

[tynimiller]

IMO I would prefer to trade (Watson) for an NFL current starter. I do not see much immediate help from rookies these past few seasons at the weak spots.

I’m most definitely not trading any of them for a WR. There are always solid depth first year guys that happen. I mean shoot this year alone Evan Williams has been phenomenal, Cooper when healthy a playmaker and Bullard is slowly showing why many think he’ll be a good one.

 

[milani]

I sure don't hate it - I've been advocating it for a year, that we trade at least one receiver sometime this season to fill a hole or two. I'm totally for it.

After next season, we're going to start losing some of these guys for nothing but comp picks anyway, so this is the year we should identify which ones are most important to keep, and start thinning the herd.

I am sure Gute will be looking at this.

 

[Thirteen Below]

I saw it in Driver from the start. He reminded me of Fred Biletnikoff. He played the game between his ears, and that's what made him great. I've always been able to see special things in players who will make it. It's just "there," and not easy to describe. It's like when I saw James Jones, coming into camp, I knew he was going to put up numbers...

This is an absolutely extraordinary post. In all honesty, I can't say I agree with every word of it, but the parts where I don't necessarily see it the same way are nowhere near enough to undermine my appreciation of it.

I guess the best way to put it is that my opinion of the topic differs a little from yours at some points, but my evaluation of the data does not. Thanks for all of that.

But....

To be honest, I have never been this up on a group of WRs being on the roster at one time in the past.

Totally onboard with that...

This group is solid, and I don't think adding and subtracting from it is a good idea, except down at the lowest level on the team. You want that continuity, and knowledge and experience each brings to the table.

But the problem I have with this part is that at some point in the next 1-2 years (and certainly within the next 2-3), this group is going to be subtracted from. We can't avoid it. We're going to have to make contract decisions, and some of these guys are going to have to leave as free agents because we're going to have to make payroll decisions.

And there are some in that group who we really don't have enough information to assess their top end. Because they just didn't get enough snaps to fully develop their potential.

Next year, we're going to have consider second contractys for last year's draft class. Green Bay is stingy on second contracts with players who haven't fully displayed their potential, and they're going to have limited options for how to spend their money. When it comes time to re-up next season, it's probable that guys like Heath and Melton won't have had enough opportunities to show that they deserve to get as much from Green Bay as they're probably going to be offered by other teams.

So by next year, we're going to be losing some of these guys to other teams. A shrewd asset managing GM would be making those decisions now, or at least starting to make them. Maybe trade one or two of our mid-tier WRs soon for a positional need, and create more space for Heath and Melton to step up.

I sometimes wonder if the Packers are sort of holding those two in reserve to some degree, expecting that as they get more snaps they will be able to step up and replace one or two of the guys who are gettiing more snaps in case we move those guys.

 

[Voyageur]

This is an absolutely extraordinary post. In all honesty, I can't say I agree with every word of it, but the parts where I don't necessarily see it the same way are nowhere near enough to undermine my appreciation of it.

I guess the best way to put it is that my opinion of the topic differs a little from yours at some points, but my evaluation of the data does not. Thanks for all of that.

But....



Totally onboard with that...



But the problem I have with this part is that at some point in the next 1-2 years (and certainly within the next 2-3), this group is going to be subtracted from. We can't avoid it. We're going to have to make contract decisions, and some of these guys are going to have to leave as free agents because we're going to have to make payroll decisions.

And there are some in that group who we really don't have enough information to assess their top end. Because they just didn't get enough snaps to fully develop their potential.

Next year, we're going to have consider second contractys for last year's draft class. Green Bay is stingy on second contracts with players who haven't fully displayed their potential, and they're going to have limited options for how to spend their money. When it comes time to re-up next season, it's probable that guys like Heath and Melton won't have had enough opportunities to show that they deserve to get as much from Green Bay as they're probably going to be offered by other teams.

So by next year, we're going to be losing some of these guys to other teams. A shrewd asset managing GM would be making those decisions now, or at least starting to make them. Maybe trade one or two of our mid-tier WRs soon for a positional need, and create more space for Heath and Melton to step up.

I sometimes wonder if the Packers are sort of holding those two in reserve to some degree, expecting that as they get more snaps they will be able to step up and replace one or two of the guys who are gettiing more snaps in case we move those guys.

I totally agree with that last part. Maybe they are holding guys like Melton & Heath back, to a degree, so they can give them a little more affordable 2nd contracts, and turn a couple of guys above them into draft assets? That would be shrewd asset management on the part of Gute. And, as you said, things will change in that room. It's inevitable.

I was actually thinking that I wouldn't change the room this year, but next year is a completely different situation. You need to use excess value in one position to turn it into a spendable asset to improve another position.

I hate to say this, but I don't think anyone is exempt from being on the trade block from that room. It will all be based on how much is offered for any one or more of them. But I think they limit the hit to two players. What we need to do is get extra assets to use for improvement on the OL and DL, plus need to find a way to add a CB and some help at LB.

Another area that I see trade potential from is the RB room. One of the 3 behind Josh needs to be turned into a draft asset.

It's going to be an interesting off season. Time to quit putting patches on positions, and fill them with talent. My two priorities are a shut down CB who can play man, and a center, who can hold his own out there.

 

[OldSchool101]

I hate to type this BUT,

This team is CLOSE. HOWEVER, as we all know CB is a dire need, as is serious help in the front 7 to push this group to truly special. That, said...I want Gute to make us better by using our deepest asset. With that in mind, I fully support Gute trading one WR named Doubs, Watson and Reed before next year.

I get it if you hate this concept or this idea. I DESPISE it BUT to take a big swing this team needs to make it happen and we are LOADED at WR with capable guys. Say you trade Doubs....you still have Watson, Reed, Wicks, Heath, Melton without even possibly drafting or adding an experienced FA this offseason. PLUS we should have a healthy Musgrave next year who is a psuedo WR/TE type guy.

GB needs to do some serious swinging at our limited holes and issue spots...imagine adding an additional Day2 draft equity or using one of these guys along with a third or second to get a second 1st round pick....

I was going to say the same thing. EXCEPT I’d keep Reed. I’d be open to trading 1 of either Watson or Doubs.

My twist on it? Let’s say you get a 4th/7th swap. I’d go after an upgrade at WR.
Rd1 DE (Preston replacement with better 4-3 fit)
Rd2 WR
Rd3 CB
RD4 LB
RD4 CB

Ideally sign a DT in FA who is a known quantity in that $10-15M annual that provides a boost inside.


I just feel like if we hit on a really dynamic Boundary WR? (George Pickens was a favorite of many of us that draft) We’d be really dynamic if we hit on a boundary WR like we did with Reed at Slot. We’d also have the position pipelined in as contracts come due. I’d even be ok with moving up slightly if we’re picking around 60ish (such as a Top 50 area guy) if an ideal fit is there.

Doubling Down on CB by Rd4 gives us a really good chance of a starting level player rising in that room. I’d part with Stoked that project is coming to a finish.

If we had Reed, then hit on a Pickens equivalent Draft pick, Watson and Wicks? Holding Melton in reserve to move up a spot? Then Musgrave and/or Kraft and Lloyd and Jacobs? That’s FULL grouping is Top3-5 quality.

 

[Thirteen Below]

What we need to do is get extra assets to use for improvement on the OL and DL, plus need to find a way to add a CB and some help at LB.

Maybe he can trade Heath to Buffalo for Rasul Douglas. He's having a pretty decent year. And Pittsburgh might give us one of their DL for Melton; someone like Preston Smith, maybe. Be nice to get some veteran leadership into the locker room. This "youngest team in the NFL" **** is getting pretty old as far as I'm concerned.

Another area that I see trade potential from is the RB room. One of the 3 behind Josh needs to be turned into a draft asset.

This is where Lloyd's injuries are hurting not just our running game, but our roster management. By this time in his rookie season, he should be a regular contributor, with 70-100 carries - instead of the 6 he does have.

On the one hand, it's creating more opportunities for Wilson and Brooks, but Green Bay had very high (and immediate) expectations of him. And at this point we really have no more idea what we have in him than we did in training camp - other than that he's injured a lot.

Do you think Brooks or Wilson have shown enough to have any significant trade value?

My two priorities are a shut down CB who can play man, and a center, who can hold his own out there.

CB is at the top of my list, too - probably 2 of them. Earlier this year, I would have prioritized LB over center, partly because there was a lot of buzz about what a steal Jacob Monk was going to turn out to be. But he's completely disappeared from the conversation; the only time I even see his name mentioned is when he's listed as a healthy scratch every week.

One of our goals going into the 2024 draft was to strengthen our O-line, and we appear to have come up completely empty. Jordan Morgan may still turn out to be a player, but he's getting off to an awfully poor start, and right now this team would be much better off with Cooper Dejean taking 50 snaps a game in our secondary than Jordan Morgan taking up two whole seats on the bench. Dejean is already a star in Philly, and a top candidate for DROY.

The linebacker group seemed like it was in good shape a few months ago, because Tyron Hopper was getting lots of positive press. And he seemed pretty impressive in the pre-season. But he's apparently been marooned on the same desert island as Jacob Monk, because he's been non-existent almost the entire season.

So from where we sit right now, it looks as though the first 2 days of the 2025 draft will be CB, OL, and LB, with OL and LB being interchangeable. And several of the early- to mid-round picks will be spent fixing mistakes from the 2024 draft, instead of strengthening an already reasonably strong roster.

 

[shockerx]

I was going to say the same thing. EXCEPT I’d keep Reed. I’d be open to trading 1 of either Watson or Doubs.

My twist on it? Let’s say you get a 4th/7th swap. I’d go after an upgrade at WR.
Rd1 DE (Preston replacement with better 4-3 fit)
Rd2 WR
Rd3 CB
RD4 LB
RD4 CB

Ideally sign a DT in FA who is a known quantity in that $10-15M annual that provides a boost inside.


I just feel like if we hit on a really dynamic Boundary WR? (George Pickens was a favorite of many of us that draft) We’d be really dynamic if we hit on a boundary WR like we did with Reed at Slot. We’d also have the position pipelined in as contracts come due. I’d even be ok with moving up slightly if we’re picking around 60ish (such as a Top 50 area guy) if an ideal fit is there.

Doubling Down on CB by Rd4 gives us a really good chance of a starting level player rising in that room. I’d part with Stoked that project is coming to a finish.

If we had Reed, then hit on a Pickens equivalent Draft pick, Watson and Wicks? Holding Melton in reserve to move up a spot? Then Musgrave and/or Kraft and Lloyd and Jacobs? That’s FULL grouping is Top3-5 quality.

I agree with most of that, maybe take the extra 4th plus the third and move up a little and get one CB you really like...and then the other via free agency..proven guy. Also I think Luke musgrave is real trade bait, with Kraft likely getting a second contract ...Musgrave wont due to same year contract..So maybe a team like the Chargers who are in real need of TE and WR would chance a late 2025 late 3rd for a potential 3rd year TE Musgrave... The near future our division gonna be black and blue with red bloody noses, we need to draft more guys like Kraft with that mindset.

 

[OldSchool101]

This is where Lloyd's injuries are hurting not just our running game, but our roster management. By this time in his rookie season, he should be a regular contributor, with 70-100 carries - instead of the 6 he does have.

I agree with that. Although as long as we qualify and he’s back he could easily be our version of 2010 James Starks. Starks was good, but Marshawn is better than Starks imo. You can call me out as wrong I don’t mind I feel strongly about him, he’s very dynamic. Like Wilson Turbo level. I’ve watched enough tape to say his basement is a shorter version of James Starks. Starks was more a TD machine in the MAC than Lloyd. But Lloyd on smaller sample rushed for 1.1 yards per carry more in the SEC and PAC-12. Two of the top Conferences. Lloyds Receiving capability? He nearly doubled Starks per catch. He’s a big play machine once he’s up and racing. I’m really hoping he plays against the Bears that means he’s full throttle Wildcard weekend. IMO if he just meets only expectations. The Packers will have a better RB duo than Detroit.

Tyron Hopper was getting lots of positive press. And he seemed pretty impressive in the pre-season. But he's apparently been marooned on the same desert island as Jacob Monk, because he's been non-existent almost the entire season.

It’s really hard as a first year LB to overcome McDuffie or Wilson. Both are playing pretty good overall. He’s a gem in the waiting though. 2nd Team All SEC player. In top 5 bidding for Nations best LB (who was likely Cooper). Still hard to pull McDuffie out they have similar skill sets but Isaiah is more experienced. Both lack some pass coverage ability though.

Musgrave wont due to same year contract..So maybe a team like the Chargers who are in real need of TE

I actually like the idea. Although we did Part with the 45th overall. It would need to be a substantial player. I think we can still get Musgrave ramped up for Playoffs this year. Waiting for an update on him. 10 days ago they said he was ahead of schedule whatever that means. They seem to be secretive in him and Lloyd. My guess is our early plan was to have them up and running by Playoffs.

 

[Schultz]

Ironic that you would mention that. After I finished that post last night, I immediately went back to edit another thought into it. But fell asleep before saving it...


I'd sure like to think Gute is smart enough to be doing that, but there are times I wonder.



Maybe he can trade Heath to Buffalo for Rasul Douglas. He's having a pretty decent year. And Pittsburgh might give us one of their DL for Melton; someone like Preston Smith, maybe. Be nice to get some veteran leadership into the locker room. This "youngest team in the NFL" **** is getting pretty old as far as I'm concerned.


This is where Lloyd's injuries are hurting not just our running game, but our roster management. By this time in his rookie season, he should be a regular contributor, with 70-100 carries - instead of the 6 he does have.

On the one hand, it's creating more opportunities for Wilson and Brooks, but Green Bay had very high (and immediate) expectations of him. And at this point we really have no more idea what we have in him than we did in training camp - other than that he's injured a lot.

Do you think Brooks or Wilson have shown enough to have any significant trade value?


CB is at the top of my list, too - probably 2 of them. Earlier this year, I would have prioritized LB over center, partly because there was a lot of buzz about what a steal Jacob Monk was going to turn out to be. But he's completely disappeared from the conversation; the only time I even see his name mentioned is when he's listed as a healthy scratch every week.

One of our goals going into the 2024 draft was to strengthen our O-line, and we appear to have come up completely empty. Jordan Morgan may still turn out to be a player, but he's getting off to an awfully poor start, and right now this team would be much better off with Cooper Dejean taking 50 snaps a game in our secondary than Jordan Morgan taking up two whole seats on the bench. Dejean is already a star in Philly, and a top candidate for DROY.

The linebacker group seemed like it was in good shape a few months ago, because Tyron Hopper was getting lots of positive press. And he seemed pretty impressive in the pre-season. But he's apparently been marooned on the same desert island as Jacob Monk, because he's been non-existent almost the entire season.

So from where we sit right now, it looks as though the first 2 days of the 2025 draft will be CB, OL, and LB, with OL and LB being interchangeable. And several of the early- to mid-round picks will be spent fixing mistakes from the 2024 draft, instead of strengthening an already reasonably strong roster.

Agree. That is why I would trade one of the WRs for a NFL starter at one of those holes you mentioned. Tyni pointed out guys that have helped as rookies. You pointed out guys that have not from this years draft, then add LVN, Wyatt, Rhyan, A. Rodgers, AJ Dillon & DeGuera. Before anyone jumps on me I am talking about their rookie year. I am pretty sure every guy I mentioned was a top 90 draft pick. I believe the Pack was a year ahead of schedule last year. This year was supposed to be the knocking on the door year and next year winner winner lobster dinner. You don't get any extra points or wins for being the youngest team or having the most 7th round picks. McKinney & Jacobs proves what an already good football player can do for a team. Trade a WR for a proven player and sign another one in FA then hopefully 1 of the draft picks turns out to be a plug and play guy and I will gladly put on the same green and gold colored glasses that some of you guys like to wear. GPG!

 

[OldSchool101]

I really think we missed Doubs at Ford Field. He’s arguably some of the best hands we’ve got and it just felt like guys were covered up. I think Doubs and Reed are our best intermediate distance production guys. Had we had a 2nd TE healthy like Musgrave that could’ve been another option in the quick passing game in the first half. Ideally we would’ve had Reed Doubs and Watson in this one. With Wicks rotating in as a 4th option.

 

[OldSchool101]

I’m about 99% that both Detroit and GB will have many different players added if they face each other in Divisional or NFC game.
Haf smartly committed to stop their RB duo. Which he did. D got an INT led to 7 Offensive points and Watson fumble led to 3 points. Thats at minimum 6-10 points credit to D. 24-28 points net isn’t that bad against a #1 rated O that’s
1. Healthy
2. At their Stadium
3. Getting + help from the Refs

Had this been a 35-28 Win and Watson block/referee missed call on PI which is clearly stated as allowed 1 yard pass LOS (5 yard line) none of us would still be dissecting this game including myself.
Im with James Jones on this one. Anyone that thinks GB can’t beat Detroit at Detroit after that didn’t watch that game. That was 2 even teams that imo whoever had the ball last with adequate time would win.

We have more film and a much better understanding at counter strategy if we see this again. We highly likely need 2 more Wins to highly likely qualify if my math is right, 3+Wins gives us a really good shot at a 5th or 6th seed.

 

[Magooch]

So...what has happened to Jayden Reed?

Before the bye week he was averaging:
5 targets, 4 receptions, 69 yards, and had 3 rec TD and a rush TD.

Since coming back from the bye?
3 targets, 2 receptions, 18 yards, but to be fair still 3 rec TD.