Niners stud and duds

[milani]

FYI Stokes has pretty much been replaced this season … he is only out there when they have no other choice.

When guys who were pressed to make the roster take your place you know the writing is on the wall.

 

[tynimiller]

When guys who were pressed to make the roster take your place you know the writing is on the wall.

Everyone knows this, even Stokes. Sadly injuries stole what appeared to be a young prospect that arguably had one of the best rookie cornerback years GB has seen.

Sucks.

 

[OldSchool101]

Duds:

Love: He's again reverted back to the 1st half of last season. If he's gonna play one half of a bad season every year AND get injured the salary is too big, and the decision to make him QB of the future is starting to look questionable.

Notice first I didn’t list Love as a Stud, so I didn’t want you to think I wholly disagree. Love probably should’ve had 1 INT, but he also should’ve had a 50 yard TD pass.
IMO we are seeing baby steps. Love wasn’t 100% until 2 weeks ago. Just like McCaffrey it takes 3-4 games to really get cranked up. Maybe more. This is the first Non INT game he’s had in a long time. I’d like to see him package 2-3 games together without an INT, then we can comfortably say he’s improving.

DBs: I don't care if we're on our 7th and 8th CBs playing against the Chiefs....with as often as Stokes and Alexander are injured our guys are playing enough that this BS play like we saw at times today should no longer be a problem. Unacceptable performance today.

What I figured out is we game planned to stop the Run. It did allow a few chunk plays, but at the cost of throwing in cold weather with a slippery ball. Those fumbles and dropped passes were 100% partly due to a cold ball with moisture. You could see flurries at one point. The air was saturated and very cold and you can’t properly grade Watson or Samuel’s or even a Wobbly pass by Love with confidence. In a Dome, several of those fumbles and drops and errant throws don’t happen imo and that’s including Allen and Love. Even the snap was slippery at times. The fumbles by both QB’s were aided by below average grip on the ball. That will occasionally show up on a stat line and idc if you’re Brock, there would’ve still been drops and throws slightly off target due to temp and moisture.

 

[gopkrs]

He saw a receiver underneath that appeared to have separated from the Packer defender and it instinctively caused him to look that way. And with a back up QB like Allen you sometimes think he cannot make that throw. But Kittle can catch even the bad throws.

I'd have to look at it again. All I saw was Kittle running right by him to be all alone in the back of the endzone. One other defender was kind of close but was not going to come over to defend and I think had his back to him. Didn't see Q looking for someone else short. But it seemed a real easy throw and catch to Kittle. Hope I can see the play again just to know better. I would think you should take the guy going to the back of the end zone all alone.

 

[gopkrs]

Everyone knows this, even Stokes. Sadly injuries stole what appeared to be a young prospect that arguably had one of the best rookie cornerback years GB has seen.

Sucks.

Honestly, I never thought that. He looked like a guy getting beat deep and being lucky to me that first year. Went for every double move.

 

[OldSchool101]

Stud:
The Referee that called holding on the 90 yard Return. I watched that play several times on replay. It was clear holding by hooking his fingers under his shoulder pads. The critical point of make is I believe it’s better than 50% chance that holding call directly affected the Return. At minimum it slows Samuel down or there is impact.

Most flags on ST do not directly affect the play. I can say with confidence that one did. SF Teams was holding much of the day. Sometimes all the way down the field. It cost them big time.

 

[OldSchool101]

But it seemed a real easy throw and catch to Kittle. Hope I can see the play again just to know better. I would think you should take the guy going to the back of the end zone all alone.

Yeah if it’s the TD I’m thinking of? I rewatched it last night and critical plays I like to rewatch studying 3-4 players individually. Particularly our OL to see who Won/Lost on Big plays or TD’s. While I might be a novice, I do watch enough film review of guys that are in the know. I have basics understanding of coverage and most plays really aren’t that intricate level.

That was on Safety Evan Williams. He missed the exchange as Kittle passed the LB heading deep into the Paint. Evan bit on a WR on the other side that was hooking outside just for a split second, but that WR was covered up and it was unnecessary. The Center Paint to the hoop was Evans area of responsibility to cover a layup. He did realize this at the last second and nearly made a play on him to knock the ball out. He was even shaking his head he knew he made a mistake.

In a weird way, I’m glad that TD happened in this game as it didn’t cost us anything than the pride of a 38-6 finish.

 

[tynimiller]

Honestly, I never thought that. He looked like a guy getting beat deep and being lucky to me that first year. Went for every double move.

Only early in that season was that the case. He excelled early only because his catch up speed allowed it, however that young man grew crazy fast that season and by the end of it wasn't relying solely on his speed to win routes.

For a rookie he excelled in everyway you can hope. Was he a guy that dominated as a rookie like say Sauce did his rookie year or Stingley no, but he for sure showed out.

 

[rmontro]

Love still has not played a great game. The team still has not played complete games up to their capabilities. And yet there's still 8-3. They're not far away from putting it all together. If so, they're going to be very dangerous in January

Not a great game, but another game with a passer rating over 100 (107.7). He has as many TD passes as Mahomes does. Things could be worse.

 

[Krabs]

Q did do some good things. But I could not believe he did not back up to defend that Kittle TD. I mean, he wasn't guarding anyone. Does Hafley tell him to just stay there no matter what?

I do think at some point one has to question his IQ. Does he have the football IQ to play in the middle. I don't think he does and that's fine. Move him to the outside where he can just use his physical gifts and rush the passer. Just my thoughts, but I did think he played and overall good game.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Jacobs was jacked, the fans were electric, the flyover was memorable and Santa was even in town!

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[tynimiller]

LOL the foot sticking out of the back of the car....LOL

 

[PikeBadger]

Notice first I didn’t list Love as a Stud, so I didn’t want you to think I wholly disagree. Love probably should’ve had 1 INT, but he also should’ve had a 50 yard TD pass.
IMO we are seeing baby steps. Love wasn’t 100% until 2 weeks ago. Just like McCaffrey it takes 3-4 games to really get cranked up. Maybe more. This is the first Non INT game he’s had in a long time. I’d like to see him package 2-3 games together without an INT, then we can comfortably say he’s improving.

What I figured out is we game planned to stop the Run. It did allow a few chunk plays, but at the cost of throwing in cold weather with a slippery ball. Those fumbles and dropped passes were 100% partly due to a cold ball with moisture. You could see flurries at one point. The air was saturated and very cold and you can’t properly grade Watson or Samuel’s or even a Wobbly pass by Love with confidence. In a Dome, several of those fumbles and drops and errant throws don’t happen imo and that’s including Allen and Love. Even the snap was slippery at times. The fumbles by both QB’s were aided by below average grip on the ball. That will occasionally show up on a stat line and idc if you’re Brock, there would’ve still been drops and throws slightly off target due to temp and moisture.

Imo, you're completely wrong on the weather being a factor on Watson's drop. Watch it again. Pure paddlehands. Look at the positioning of his hands on the ball's arrival. He couldn't have caught a watermelon with his hands in that position. Look at the movement of his head. Do you think you'd ever see Doubs react to the ball that way?

 

[Heyjoe4]

This is why I have nothing to do with the internet, or sites, including our own here, during games. I watch the game, and try to pick out the specific things that I need to be seeing on each play. I don't have time to whine and cry, or make snide comments about how a player is playing or how Le Fleur did something wrong, or hearing comments about "cut the guy, he's worthless."

YOU WATCH football, and learn from each play. You don't act like a rabid dog that needs to be put down. That's not being a fan, that's like being a child who's screaming to get their way. The problem is, most of those doing that screaming don't know squat about the game, how a game is called by coaches, or how players have assignments on every play, and it effects where they are when play events happen.

Anyhow, end of my rant.

Pretty good rant though V. Yeah I don't bother with in-game forums. I'm too busy watching the game.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Imo, you're completely wrong on the weather being a factor on Watson's drop. Watch it again. Pure paddlehands. Look at the positioning of his hands on the ball's arrival. He couldn't have caught a watermelon with his hands in that position. Look at the movement of his head. Do you think you'd ever see Doubs react to the ball that way?

Watson is a little baffling. At times he looks like he can catch anything. But on a pass WRs must dream about, in full stride with solid separation and the end zone right in front of him - he gets "paddle hands", good way to describe it.

And I'm with you - I don't want to ear excuses about the weather in GB. Gimme a break.

What I know for sure is that Watson won't ever get close to being a #1 WR until he makes those catches on a regular basis. That was a big play and he flat-out choked.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Love still has not played a great game. The team still has not played complete games up to their capabilities. And yet there's still 8-3. They're not far away from putting it all together. If so, they're going to be very dangerous in January

While you are right, Love hasn't completely taken a game over, but I think this offense has a better balance and feel to it, than those that Rodgers had in his final years in GB. The 3 RB's compliment each other well and Jacobs has made me a firm believer that as far as running the ball goes, he is better than AJ. The balance we have at WR is hard to top. Are any of them Top 10? No, but Reed is a solid #1, Doubs a solid #2 and the rest contribute as needed. I don't think Love is "afraid" to throw to any of them on any given play. Kraft is getting better and better at TE and the OL I think is doing a pretty solid job.


I think as you seem to be implying, if Love gets more comfortable in the pocket and plays a complete game, this offense has a chance to be very good.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Notice first I didn’t list Love as a Stud, so I didn’t want you to think I wholly disagree. Love probably should’ve had 1 INT, but he also should’ve had a 50 yard TD pass.
IMO we are seeing baby steps. Love wasn’t 100% until 2 weeks ago. Just like McCaffrey it takes 3-4 games to really get cranked up. Maybe more. This is the first Non INT game he’s had in a long time. I’d like to see him package 2-3 games together without an INT, then we can comfortably say he’s improving.

What I figured out is we game planned to stop the Run. It did allow a few chunk plays, but at the cost of throwing in cold weather with a slippery ball. Those fumbles and dropped passes were 100% partly due to a cold ball with moisture. You could see flurries at one point. The air was saturated and very cold and you can’t properly grade Watson or Samuel’s or even a Wobbly pass by Love with confidence. In a Dome, several of those fumbles and drops and errant throws don’t happen imo and that’s including Allen and Love. Even the snap was slippery at times. The fumbles by both QB’s were aided by below average grip on the ball. That will occasionally show up on a stat line and idc if you’re Brock, there would’ve still been drops and throws slightly off target due to temp and moisture.

Watson's pass was a full-on choke. I don't wanna hear excuses about the "saturated air" at Lambeau. Watson will never get close to being considered a #2 WR, much less a #1, if he continues to drop perfect passes on critical plays. That play marred an otherwise solid effort by the team.

Drops because of a "cold ball and moisture". Yikes even Pop Warner players are expected to catch passes in those conditions.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Watson is a little baffling. At times he looks like he can catch anything. But on a pass WRs must dream about, in full stride with solid separation and the end zone right in front of him - he gets "paddle hands", good way to describe it.

I haven't watched the game on TV yet, but did they say anything about Watson losing that one up in the lights? From the stands, it almost looked like he didn't track the ball well, "lost it in the lights".

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

LOL the foot sticking out of the back of the car....LOL

Saw that too, quite the "sleigh" the GB Santa drives!

 

[PikeBadger]

I haven't watched the game on TV yet, but did they say anything about Watson losing that one up in the lights? From the stands, it almost looked like he didn't track the ball well, "lost it in the lights".

He loses a lot of long passes in the lights then. He completely misjudged one by 6 feet or more a few weeks ago. He'd be a lousy outfielder if he played baseball.

 

[tynimiller]

He loses a lot of long passes in the lights then. He completely misjudged one by 6 feet or more a few weeks ago. He'd be a lousy outfielder if he played baseball.

Some of the best center fielders were awesome DBs or wide receivers when young

 

[El Guapo]

I say this sort of tongue-in-cheek, but with a plethora of WRs maybe the Packers should move Watson or Wicks to CB. It worked pretty well when Lombardi moved Adderley from RB to CB mid-season.

As they say, WRs with bad hands can make great CBs.

 

[Schultz]

I haven't watched the game on TV yet, but did they say anything about Watson losing that one up in the lights? From the stands, it almost looked like he didn't track the ball well, "lost it in the lights".

IMO when balls (baseball or football) are lost in the lights they don't usually hit the player in the hands. IMO.

 

[OldSchool101]

He couldn't have caught a watermelon with his hands in that position. Look at the movement of his head. Do you think you'd ever see Doubs react to the ball that way?

What I know for sure is that Watson won't ever get close to being a #1 WR until he makes those catches on a regular basis. That was a big play and he flat-out choked.

Drops because of a "cold ball and moisture". Yikes even Pop Warner players are expected to catch passes in those conditions.

Watson's pass was a full-on choke. I don't wanna hear excuses about the "saturated air" at Lambeau.

He loses a lot of long passes in the lights then. He completely misjudged one by 6 feet or more a few weeks ago. He'd be a lousy outfielder if he played baseball.

All this is the same or worse than anything I saw in the game thread. At least there it’s real time when emotions are running high.
I’m in live threads most weeks and handle it just fine. It’s Life deal with it! I actually get some pretty good camaraderie, even great food recipes!
Talk about a total overreaction of calling others out in a game thread. or piling on and agreeing to the overreaction and exercising the exact thing that you claim foul.

I guess no more rain delays! Weather no longer factors in sports! Good to know !

 

[Voyageur]

Watson does have a problem hanging on to the football. That will change though as he gains experience. If you watch, you'll see his hands aren't always in the right position to make the catches. That comes through coaching, and repetition. What he does do, and it's essential, is find ways to gain a step on defenders quite frequently, and that's something you either have, or don't have, based on speed, and ability to rotate your hips to change direction. When he solves the hands problem, he's going to be a load to contend with.

It's a lot like teaching a kid to play outfield in baseball. It's a matter of training yourself to have your hands and body properly positioned to make the catch. Judging trajectory is a key element, just like it is to a QB, when he throws the ball.

Until then, with the array of receiving talent we have on the roster, I'm not going to be too worried. I do think if it becomes a do or die situation for the team, Watson will more than likely make that catch, and if it's thrown to someone else, I hope it's Doubs, because he has the hands and body control to make it happen. He was injured on Sunday because he puts the catch first, and his body second. A lesser player would have protected himself, and forgotten about the importance of the catch, if possible.