Mike McCarthy Getting Unfairly Blamed For Injuries, Bad Kicking And Team Youth

[PackerfaninCarolina]

That is fine and dandy... but MM can't have it both ways in that argument. He sure and hell didn't make any changes to tailor an offense around Hundley last year. He just expected him to become ARod2. No other coach except for Bill Walsh has been blessed with back to back HoF QB's. The whole MM built the offense is incorrect... He should get credit yes... but to say that MM hasn't been riding the coat tails of Favre and ARod over the past 2 decades is just not wanting to admit the truth behind the situation here.

Doesn't matter what offense you put Hundley in, he's a dud plain and simple. Take it to the bank that in the highly unlikely event he sees the field in Seattle he will stink there too and have beer dumped on his head on his way out the tunnel by angry Seahawk fans.

There is no such thing as head coaches riding QBs to winning seasons and no concrete examples of it ever happening.

 

[FaninColorado]

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Doesn't matter what offense you put Hundley in, he's a dud plain and simple. Take it to the bank that in the highly unlikely event he sees the field in Seattle he will stink there too and have beer dumped on his head on his way out the tunnel by angry Seahawk fans.

I'm not saying that Hundley is/was/will be good, but MM basically threw him into an offense that was tailored to ARod and not fixed even a little to be tailored towards Hundley. He put Hundley into a position of no possible success and only for failure. If that is what he believed... then they should have kept Taysom Hill on the roster and cut Hundley last year.

There is no such thing as head coaches riding QBs to winning seasons and no concrete examples of it ever happening.

That isn't true... because you just don't want to admit that you are watching it right now!!!!

 

[FaninColorado]

Doesn't matter what offense you put Hundley in, he's a dud plain and simple. Take it to the bank that in the highly unlikely event he sees the field in Seattle he will stink there too and have beer dumped on his head on his way out the tunnel by angry Seahawk fans.

There is no such thing as head coaches riding QBs to winning seasons and no concrete examples of it ever happening.

The good thing about loving the same team is we can have differing opinions and still want the same thing. I don't think MM is a bad coach, I just think that he has become similar to Capers in his approach to an every changing NFL. His play calling is stale (and unfortunately that isn't all his fault... TT stunted the growth of the offense because of all those horrible failed draft picks on the defensive side) and seems to have a please ARod make this play be successful mode in it.

 

[XPack]

so it’s not possible that Rodgers is part of the problem?

AR is a tactical drop in form. MM is a strategic drawback which affects AR too. Our offense is predictable and uninspired.

 

[XPack]

No other head coach in the league (aside from maybe Jason Garrett) gets blamed like McCarthy does around here.

We can't judge MM by how other coaches get treated. We can only judge him by how our own offense performs, so don't really see a point in your post. His job is to ensure we perform well and as of now seems he's not doing a great job. Many call are dubious and he seems to have lost the knack of when to push and when to fold.

 

[Mavster]

Doesn't matter what offense you put Hundley in, he's a dud plain and simple. Take it to the bank that in the highly unlikely event he sees the field in Seattle he will stink there too and have beer dumped on his head on his way out the tunnel by angry Seahawk fans.

There is no such thing as head coaches riding QBs to winning seasons and no concrete examples of it ever happening.

Yea but McCarthy is the head coach and if Hundley was such a "plain dud" without a chance in any offense like you say then it's quite an indictment that MM couldn't recognize that fact in the 3(?) years Hundley was learning under his wing.

As for you second point, please see Peyton manning in Denver with John Fox. Definite coat tail riding any way you slice it.

 

[Jerellh528]

When we do ever get a new hc, I hope he’s a young guy who brings innovation and energy.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Yea but McCarthy is the head coach and if Hundley was such a "plain dud" without a chance in any offense like you say then it's quite an indictment that MM couldn't recognize that fact in the 3(?) years Hundley was learning under his wing.

As for you second point, please see Peyton manning in Denver with John Fox. Definite coat tail riding any way you slice it.

1. Ted Thompson's fault for not getting him another QB to compete with Hundley for Rodgers backup spot

2. And I guess he also rode Delhomme's coattails to that Superbowl too right or rode Tebow's coattails to that 2011 playoff win

 

[Sunshinepacker]

3. Ridiculous, play calling was a non-issue today, enough of this stupid play call criticism

So, the fact that Aaron Jones is the team's best RB, carried the ball 7 times in the first half and then didn't touch the ball in the second half. Before people start spouting off on "24-0 means you have to abandon the run!!!" 30 minutes is plenty of time to not abandon the run, especially when the team is relying extensively on rookie wide receivers.

Additionally, do the numerous plays where Rodgers held the ball for 3+ seconds without finding an open receiver not seem to indicate an issue with play calling? I mean, yes, some of those were on Rodgers missing the open guy, but are you implying that every play that didn't work was solely on the players? That maybe the coach should understand his players' capabilities and design plays around those abilities? The Packers in this game wasted a pretty good effort by the defense to be honest; the score wouldn't indicate that but that's mainly because the offense kept sticking them in terrible situations. Giving up only 264 total yards for the entire game on the road really isn't that bad.

 

[Ken smith]

MM post game interview ‘we’ve got work to do’. He’s been saying that each week a long time now. Of course they have work to do. Preparing and playing is their freaking job! Tomorrow when I go to work, I’ll have work to do. Doubt anyone will hand me a big check and say “aw, kick back, take a nap, r-e-l-a-x everything is fine and taking care of itself. Can’t get the rocket off the pad unless somebody remembered to fill it up with rocket fuel before launch day. If ya don’t it’s.. “3...2...1... nuthin’”

 

[Mavster]

1. Ted Thompson's fault for not getting him another QB to compete with Hundley for Rodgers backup spot

2. And I guess he also rode Delhomme's coattails to that Superbowl too right or rode Tebow's coattails to that 2011 playoff win

1.) MM is the coach not Ted. Jeez dude, at least act like the coach has some responsibility.

2.) That Tebow team was 8-8 and didn't deserve any playoff berth as evidence by them getting annihilated by NE that year but sure great coaching by Fox. Lol. He had 3 seasons with double digit wins in Carolina in a 9 year span. With Denver and Manning he went 3/3. Spot the difference??

 

[Mike McCarthy]

Doesn't matter what offense you put Hundley in, he's a dud plain and simple. Take it to the bank that in the highly unlikely event he sees the field in Seattle he will stink there too and have beer dumped on his head on his way out the tunnel by angry Seahawk fans.

There is no such thing as head coaches riding QBs to winning seasons and no concrete examples of it ever happening.

i thought hundley was our guy? I must of missed the “hundley is a dud” email

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

1.) MM is the coach not Ted. Jeez dude, at least act like the coach has some responsibility.

Not for roster control. That is the GM's job ... PERIOD!!!

 

[Mavster]

Not for roster control. That is the GM's job ... PERIOD!!!

The GM and coach obviously work together on that. Good grief

 

[rodell330]

My positive spin on today is that despite a slow start and awful FG and extra point kicking, our young guys in MVS and E. St. Brown started gellinh a little with A-Rod, and this despite his limited practice time. Yeah I know the offense was slow out the gate, but they also got jobbed by a bad call by the refs saying King touched a ball that Brennaman and Spielman pointed out he didn't.

Basically, MM and Rodgers having that plus Crosby's awful kicking going against them were up against it all game. Not to mention some of our OL whiffing on assignments.

There is no QB vs HC tension going on here, just simply a team with growing pains with young offensive players going on. And obviously Crosby needs to start getting out of his funk.

But MM is not to blame for Cobb being injured and Adams hobbled. And nor can he kick Crosby's field goals for him.

All he needs to do is fire Joe Whitt and have LeRoy Butler come coach the DBs. Maybe ask Gute to dump HHCD and get a better FS as well.

But at 2-2-1 and only week 5, itsi ridiculous to call for MM to get fired. Absolutely ridiculous. Enough of this.

I’m sorry, man.... but I disagree that MM is being unfairly blamed. This is his staff therefore this is his mess. McCarthy is the same guy who kept both Slocum and Capers on staff when they should’ve both been fired yrs before they were.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I’m sorry, man.... but I disagree that MM is being unfairly blamed. This is his staff therefore this is his mess. McCarthy is the same guy who kept both Slocum and Capers on staff when they should’ve both been fired yrs before they were.

He is unfairly blamed on a regular around here and it's old hat.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

The GM and coach obviously work together on that. Good grief

The GM is the roster controller and head of scouting PERIOD. Nuff said.

 

[Mavster]

The GM is the roster controller and head of scouting PERIOD. Nuff said.

You think our HEAD COACH has zero input in roster control. It all makes sense now lol

We're done here. Absolutely ridiculous notion to say the coach doesn't have a say in roster control.

 

[Guacamole]

This is true but Rodgers has gotten into a habit of holding on to the ball too long.

Partially because the wr's can not get open. What do you expect when our highly successful coach, keeps the rb's on the bench when Jones and Williams were averaging over 5ypc.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Maybe ask Gute to dump HHCD and get a better FS as well.

The Packers won't be able to find an upgrade over Clinton-Dix at this point of the season.

I watched the Pats march up and down the field throwing passes in 1.5 sec average (no joking here).

It took Brady an average of 2.41 seconds to throw the ball against the Colts this week.

So... Your take is that this team is closer to a 3-2 than a 1-4? Someone has spiked your kool-aid friend. Optimistic to the end.

The Packers should have won against the Vikings if not for incompetent officiating.

Green Bay: 2-2-1
Points For: 115
Points Against: 114

Cleveland: 2-2-1
Points For: 114
Points Against: 113

Philadelphia: 2-3
Points For: 103
Points Against: 104

Minnesota: 2-2-1
Poibts For: 113
Points against: 131

There is always hope for a W with AR under center. There is no disputing that. The question is how do we give him (again, right or wrong) the best player on our team, and one of the best QBs in history... the tools to more easily get that W? Thats the question here... Why do we always have to rely on AR to do it, vs holding accountable the coaches to help him be his best and get the best out of those around him. We just EXPECT our QB to bring out the best of our team, and "will" them to be better. Lucky us, he does this a LOT.

He shouldnt have to. Thats the point I am making.

The Packers are paying Rodgers $30+ million per season, there should definitely be an expectation of him being able to carry the team.

You are correct. Im not saying this is an overnight fix. But TT cannot be blamed for the other things that fall directly into the coaches discretion: Playcalls, Timeouts, challenges, etc. Those are the things that... combined with the issues, should be held accountable at MM feet.

McCarthy is actually one of the most successful coaches in the league regarding challenges.

That is fine and dandy... but MM can't have it both ways in that argument. He sure and hell didn't make any changes to tailor an offense around Hundley last year. He just expected him to become ARod2.

In my opinion McCarthy changed the offense way too much with Hundley starting, playing it conservative for the majority of those games.

Yea but McCarthy is the head coach and if Hundley was such a "plain dud" without a chance in any offense like you say then it's quite an indictment that MM couldn't recognize that fact in the 3(?) years Hundley was learning under his wing.

Unfortunately Thompson didn't provide McCarthy with an upgrade at backup quarterback.

Don't get me wrong, McCarthy deserves some of the blame for yesterday's loss but to solely put it on him is ludicrous.

 

[brandon2348]

Partially be
cause the wr's can not get open. What do you expect when our highly successful coach, keeps the rb's on the bench when Jones and Williams were averaging over 5ypc.

I just dont believe we lost that game because MM didn't run William's and Jones more.

Once again because of special teams follies they were forced to play catch up.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Partially because the wr's can not get open. What do you expect when our highly successful coach, keeps the rb's on the bench when Jones and Williams were averaging over 5ypc.

The main problem yesterday was that between that punt return muff/bad call play, Mason missing his first of four, and the subsequent big pass plus TD and deep hole early, I believe Rodgers was looking for a spark and he started holding the ball a bit long trying to get some big plays going.

Personally, I can understand some of his frustration with the offense because it's just not put together a complete game yet. Give it a little patience and it will.

I'd personally like to see Jones be the featured back more with Montgomery used only as a Theo Rid**** pass catcher, but it would have made no difference on the outcome yesterday.

What we need to do is make sure once Cobb and GMo are back that MVS and ESB are still worked into the game plan. These guys got some real speed to work with and can do some big things after the catch.

Get these things clicking and this offense will go on a real tear, as long as Rodgers is kept upright. It's only week 5 so get these two rookies going along with Graham and we'll be striking fear into defenses big time. I will take that to the bank.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Unfortunately Thompson didn't provide McCarthy with an upgrade at backup quarterback.

Why people don't understand this is beyond me. McCarthy can only work with the backup QBs his GM gives him, and if the GM fails to do that, that's on the GM.

 

[Mavster]

Unfortunately Thompson didn't provide McCarthy with an upgrade at backup quarterback.

Don't get me wrong, McCarthy deserves some of the blame for yesterday's loss but to solely put it on him is ludicrous.

I'm not blaming MM for yesterday's loss at all. He does share some blame in another slow start though but he can't control his kicker going to crap

I'm simply arguing against someone who's trying to say the coach doesn't have any say in roster control, which tbh is one of the more hilarious things I've read as it makes absolutely no sense. Hundley was with the team for multiple years, practicing and learning under MM so that failure is on everyone top to bottom then imo. But that's in the past and doesn't have anything to do with the current roster. I'm just saying it's laughable to say MM doesn't have any say in roster control.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I'm not blaming MM for yesterday's loss at all. He does share some blame in another slow start though but he can't control his kicker going to crap

I'm simply arguing against someone who's trying to say the coach doesn't have any say in roster control, which tbh is one of the more hilarious things I've read as it makes absolutely no sense. Hundley was with the team for multiple years, practicing and learning under MM so that failure is on everyone top to bottom then imo. But that's in the past and doesn't have anything to do with the current roster. I'm just saying it's laughable to say MM doesn't have any say in roster control.

He can certainly offer his input to the GM and tell him if he likes or doesn't like certain players. But it's the GM's job to go finding QBs and other players who fit his system and put together scouting teams to find the right ones.

Thompson did a pretty good job of this in his early years but went bad in his later ones.