Mike McCarthy Getting Unfairly Blamed For Injuries, Bad Kicking And Team Youth

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The thing is, they've looked very bad on the road, and not very good at home. We only have beat a rookie QB and a second year QB. Right now this team does not look like a playoff team, regardless of their record. Thankfully, it's still early, they need to address the issues get worse. The only issues I really see, are on the offensive side. The playcalling is bad, they need to be on the same page. I will never forget how MM stated he had 3 years "investment" in BH. He was a really, really bad QB. Any free agent probably would have been better. AR is the only answer going forward. MM has to own up to his missteps, or he will be gone, period. This year is playoffs or bust, and if there's a bad playoff loss, he'll be out of a job.
 

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MM will get the rest of the season, no doubt. But if this team, as a whole, continues to put up performances like this, it's time for a change. It's as simple as that, fair or unfair.
 

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People are making this way more complex then it is. Lose the turnover battle 0-3 on the road and have disasterous special teams play and your not gonna win many games.

If anyone should be gone after this game its Zook.
Very well put Brandon.
The dang penalties in all 3 phases of the game is ruinous as well. We are almost the most heavily penalized team in the league, and the wasted time outs is ridiculous as well. This team just looks like a pile of sloppy execution, poorly disciplined, non thinking garbage right now. At the moment, coaching and on field leadership from our most experienced players is just a hot mess.
 
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MM will get the rest of the season, no doubt. But if this team, as a whole, continues to put up performances like this, it's time for a change. It's as simple as that, fair or unfair.

Well, thing is all of his baggers would want him fired even if the offense started clicking and got to the SB.

Personally, I sometimes wish he would get a coach for life contract just to rub it in to certain so called fans.
 

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Well, thing is all of his baggers would want him fired even if the offense started clicking and got to the SB.

Personally, I sometimes wish he would get a coach for life contract just to rub it in to certain so called fans.

I highly doubt this. And I highly doubt we get to the Super Bowl. But this is why we let it play out, really no going back right now, starting from scratch and wasting the season. Let it play out, but so far not good.
 

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Well, thing is all of his baggers would want him fired even if the offense started clicking and got to the SB.

Personally, I sometimes wish he would get a coach for life contract just to rub it in to certain so called fans.
Why would you wish that on this team? You enjoy that 30 % winning percentage without Rodgers?
 
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I don’t know. Some definite problems that even non football analysts can spot seem to keep occurring week after week and now season after season. Seems that not resolving problems or finding alternatives is a coaching thing. Got two weeks of solid defense, and a five hundred yard offensive production week, and the balls not pushed through long field goal range? Somethings wrong there. And even with the crazy early routine bad start, they still allowed two touchdowns from the remaining measly 125 yards of lions offensive production.
I’m thinking MM has iflimbardihadkeptcoachingitis. Hey, those power sweeps won me two Super Bowls, they’ll work now in 1980. Just a thought.

Is this post even serious?
 

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it's not like a coaching change is going to make any difference. everything is already tuned for Rodgers abilities and he can change any play he wants to at the line. a coaching change this late in Rodgers' career would be counter productive imo. you think a new coach is going to go in there and tell Rodgers the way it's going to be? only Rodgers himself can change his game/mindset. it's talent and execution. they don't have enough talent, or the guts to get it, and their execution is trending downward...including Rodgers'. they'll continue to waddle around in the 9-10 win zone as Rodgers gets ever closer to 40...if they're lucky.

that said...Go Pack! ;)
 
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Ignore my point on the tension between MM and AR? Predictable.

5 games is not all year long?? How many damn games do you think the team has played? Yes. It’s been all year long. All we can speak to is what has happened up until this point. The team has played 5 games and has absolutely looked unprepared and/or not ready to play early on in the game.

You can dance around it all you want to, but THAT MUCH is a responsibility of the head coach. I get that you are a MM supporter, but it’s tiring that you aren’t capable of being even the slightest bit objective in giving him even the slightest bit of blame for the struggles of the Packers.

I’m as big a AR fan as they come, but he cost his team today big time with some of his play. See how that works?
The difference between MM and AR is that MM plays not to lose and AR always, always plays to win. That will cause friction. As for the team coming out flat, I’ve seen it all year. It was really disappointing in the opener against Chicago. I mean, how hard is it to motivate a team starting the franchise’s 100th season? I’m not happy with MM, and he’s been made to look good by having a generational QB on his side. MM said the playbook was rewritten. If so, I don’t see any differences. Yes the team needs to step up, and when they don’t, the HC has to own that. All MM owns is stubbornness.
 
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People are making this way more complex then it is. Lose the turnover battle 0-3 on the road and have disasterous special teams play and your not gonna win many games.

I agree with that. I have mostly been a supporter of MM. but facts are facts and this team has very poor discipline. Poor discipline just doesn’t stop at the door of committing fouls.

Turnovers and Penalty yardage are the Kiss of Death in this league. If things don’t improve markedly soon, then it’s time to start holding someone accountable until we see a marked improvement. This is the time of year NFL teams should be settling in and seeing a reduction in fouls not increase.

An increase in committed fouls are a glaring defect that we have obviously not addressed. Over the last 3 weeks, GB (32nd) has 13.5% worse penalty yardage than the next worst 31st ranked. Also a hand in hand stat, GB holds the record for most fouls in the league. Pittsburgh is obviously addressing their weakness lately, we have ignored this sloppiness and pretend like it’s going to go away.

I don’t have the metric but I would be willing to bet that the loss of momentum created by 100+ penalty yardage = several more turnovers per game.

Keep in mind this has nothing whatsoever to do with talent, but everything to do with the fundamentals of coaching. Hire a team of referees if that’s what it takes to clean this mess up.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/penalty-yards-per-game
 
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This has kinda been the theme for MM coached teams of late. Start of the season slow and get on a roll mid season and onwards. I look for a drastic improvement and Aaron Jones starting, getting lots of carries post the bye week. I’m not concerned with the team at this moment. Though if a young talented and innovative coach presents himself in the offseason, I think we have to seriously consider replacing MM unless we win a super bowl.
 
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I'm not blaming MM for yesterday's loss at all. He does share some blame in another slow start though but he can't control his kicker going to crap

I'm simply arguing against someone who's trying to say the coach doesn't have any say in roster control, which tbh is one of the more hilarious things I've read as it makes absolutely no sense. Hundley was with the team for multiple years, practicing and learning under MM so that failure is on everyone top to bottom then imo. But that's in the past and doesn't have anything to do with the current roster. I'm just saying it's laughable to say MM doesn't have any say in roster control.

I agree the coach definitely has an input on roster decisions but ultimately they're made by the general manager.

it's not like a coaching change is going to make any difference. everything is already tuned for Rodgers abilities and he can change any play he wants to at the line. a coaching change this late in Rodgers' career would be counter productive imo. you think a new coach is going to go in there and tell Rodgers the way it's going to be? only Rodgers himself can change his game/mindset. it's talent and execution. they don't have enough talent, or the guts to get it, and their execution is trending downward...including Rodgers'. they'll continue to waddle around in the 9-10 win zone as Rodgers gets ever closer to 40...if they're lucky.

Rodgers can audible to a predetermined play at the LOS but definitely can't change it to whatever he likes. It's possible #12 could benefit from a coaching change just like Favre did once McCarthy took over.
 

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Well, thing is all of his baggers would want him fired even if the offense started clicking and got to the SB.

I'm sorry, but it's petulant, utterly childish posts like this one that make it difficult to believe you're genuinely serious. That's just a ridiculous thing to say. Why on Earth do you suppose that grown, emotionally healthy men and women would so blindly hate a stranger that we would want him fired even if he was winning championships?


1. Yes you are, you're scapegoating him

2. Again, as I've repeated over and over, MM doesn't have a remote control telling Rodgers when to release the football

You keep saying things like this, making me wonder if you've ever played football yourself. Or any 0ther sport, for that matter. You don't seem to have any grasp of what coaches do and don't do, or what the roles are of the various individual players on the team - how they work together, how they're supposed to work with the coaches, etc.

Let me ask you a question.... I doubt you'll answer it (I imagine you'll just pitch a fit and insult me, or change the subject), but it's worth a shot.

What do you think the duties and obligations of a head coach are? Of a position coach? Of a teams coach? And what is the role of the player, relative to the coaches? What is the player's responsibility and obligation to the coaches?


The GM is the roster controller and head of scouting PERIOD. Nuff said.

Again - where is your football theory from? Madden? Where do you get these ideas of how a team is built, and all the parts work together? According to you, head coaches don't have any control at all over what players make the team, they don't have any control at all over what the players do once they're on the field, they don't have any responsibility for how their assistant coaches do their jobs.... apparently they're just powerless.


Is this post even serious?

Of course it was - it just sailed light years over your head, so you clearly did not get the point of it. I've seen at least 3 or 4 other posts like that in this thread, too - someone makes a point that's pretty clear, but you're too busy losing your temper and flipping out at them to understand what they said. Dude, you gotta relax a little and get over this obsession with McCarthy - what is he, going steady with you or something?



See this the problem. MM gets blamed for EVERYTHING, and I mean literally everything that goes wrong.

Injuries ... Yup must be MM's fault

Rodgers plays a little less than elite ... Yup must be MM's fault


Man, where is the blaming of Doug Pederson for the Eagles starting slow? How bout Kyle Shanahan looking like a fool for his red zone Bungles? How bout Mike Tomlin not getting his team back to the Superbowl with the best receiver in football, maybe the Steelers should blame him for all their struggles and dump him on the wayside.

No other head coach in the league (aside from maybe Jason Garrett) gets blamed like McCarthy does around here.

Gee.... wonder why that is! What's your theory - the fact that so many Packer fans are critical of McCarthy must obviously mean we're all being unfair with him? Seems to me that most logical people would look at all the criticism of McCarthy and say, "hmm, if all these people are down on the guy, I wonder if that means maybe there's some reason for it..." But no, not with you. Way it works with you is, the more people criticize him, the more that proves he's doing a terrific job.

Sorry, dude, but you gotta whole lotta messed up logic going on. I wish you the best of luck with that.
 
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IGee.... wonder why that is! What's your theory - the fact that so many Packer fans are critical of McCarthy must obviously mean we're all being unfair with him? Seems to me that most logical people would look at all the criticism of McCarthy and say, "hmm, if all these people are down on the guy, I wonder if that means maybe there's some reason for it..."

You make some valid points but a fan base being up in arms about a head coach is most likely not a perfect indicator of that criticism being justified ;)
 

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one only listen to some Packer radio after a loss to see that the majority of fans just fell off a barstool when they think they came up with a good idea.
 

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I'll just point out that Sean Payton found a way to get a lot of value out of Taysom Hill, a guy that MM couldn't figure out how to use apparently. But I'm sure it's only because Hill didn't exectute correctly on this team or dropped too many passes or something, right?
 

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Personally, I sometimes wish he would get a coach for life contract just to rub it in to certain so called fans.

True fan right there. I support a potentially underwhelming coach for life to the detriment of my team just so I can revel in my fellow fans' sadness as my supposed team disappoints.
 

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You make some valid points but a fan base being up in arms about a head coach is most likely not a perfect indicator of that criticism being justified ;)

Yes, I completely agree. It's only one data point, that can only be considered in the context of several others.

But... at the very least, I hope we can also agree that it's not at all a valid indicator that the criticism is not justified!
 
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I'm sorry, but it's petulant, utterly childish posts like this one that make it difficult to believe you're genuinely serious. That's just a ridiculous thing to say. Why on Earth do you suppose that grown, emotionally healthy men and women would so blindly hate a stranger that we would want him fired even if he was winning championships?




You keep saying things like this, making me wonder if you've ever played football yourself. Or any 0ther sport, for that matter. You don't seem to have any grasp of what coaches do and don't do, or what the roles are of the various individual players on the team - how they work together, how they're supposed to work with the coaches, etc.

Let me ask you a question.... I doubt you'll answer it (I imagine you'll just pitch a fit and insult me, or change the subject), but it's worth a shot.

What do you think the duties and obligations of a head coach are? Of a position coach? Of a teams coach? And what is the role of the player, relative to the coaches? What is the player's responsibility and obligation to the coaches?




Again - where is your football theory from? Madden? Where do you get these ideas of how a team is built, and all the parts work together? According to you, head coaches don't have any control at all over what players make the team, they don't have any control at all over what the players do once they're on the field, they don't have any responsibility for how their assistant coaches do their jobs.... apparently they're just powerless.




Of course it was - it just sailed light years over your head, so you clearly did not get the point of it. I've seen at least 3 or 4 other posts like that in this thread, too - someone makes a point that's pretty clear, but you're too busy losing your temper and flipping out at them to understand what they said. Dude, you gotta relax a little and get over this obsession with McCarthy - what is he, going steady with you or something?





Gee.... wonder why that is! What's your theory - the fact that so many Packer fans are critical of McCarthy must obviously mean we're all being unfair with him? Seems to me that most logical people would look at all the criticism of McCarthy and say, "hmm, if all these people are down on the guy, I wonder if that means maybe there's some reason for it..." But no, not with you. Way it works with you is, the more people criticize him, the more that proves he's doing a terrific job.

Sorry, dude, but you gotta whole lotta messed up logic going on. I wish you the best of luck with that.

Another bandwagon post, go figure
 
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This has kinda been the theme for MM coached teams of late. Start of the season slow and get on a roll mid season and onwards. I look for a drastic improvement and Aaron Jones starting, getting lots of carries post the bye week. I’m not concerned with the team at this moment. Though if a young talented and innovative coach presents himself in the offseason, I think we have to seriously consider replacing MM unless we win a super bowl.

Thank you, at least this post has some well thought out reason in it and isn't full of the usual fact-less kerfuffle.
 

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Lol at P̶a̶c̶k̶e̶r̶f̶a̶n̶i̶n̶c̶a̶r̶o̶l̶i̶n̶a̶ McCarthyFanInCarolina...

This dude is literally just going thread to thread "X"ing all my posts.

I think we are done here :tup::roflmao::roflmao:
 

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Another bandwagon post, go figure

Oh, look! We have a new word today, folks - "bandwagon!"

What does it mean?


Lol at P̶a̶c̶k̶e̶r̶f̶a̶n̶i̶n̶c̶a̶r̶o̶l̶i̶n̶a̶ McCarthyFanInCarolina...

This dude is literally just going thread to thread "X"ing all my posts.

I think we are done here :tup::roflmao::roflmao:

I think it must be some teenage Madden-kid or something. That's the way most of the posts read, anyway.
 

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