Mike McCarthy Getting Unfairly Blamed For Injuries, Bad Kicking And Team Youth

[brandon2348]

Really? Those are your ONLY concerns? WOW.
No concern over general ST play?
No concerns on Oline? None???
No concerns at playcalling?
No concerns over lack of depth or talent at LB?
No issues with conditioning, playclocl management, or slow starts every week?

Maybe you should add "Sunshine" to your screen name.

Once again it's week 5 and the team is .500 and your hitting the "panic button" as if were 0-5.

Yes, there are things to work on. Nobody is saying MM is perfect and doesn't deserve some blame but to chop his head off at this point with everything that has happened and so much ball left to be played is ridiculous. The team is still in control of there own destiny is the big picture.

 

[swhitset]

There is no conversation here if you see :
A) the only issue with ST play this season (leaving out the last decade under MM) is Crosbys fluke game
B) OL being a non issue for almost every season in the last 4, all year
C) Playcalling being spot on, no issues. Not with vanilla gameplan, inflexibility, wasted TOs, challenge flag mismanagement, clock mismanagement...
D) nothing wrong with our LB core
E) Weekly slow starts going back for years.

If you are saying that you dont see anything above as being an issue, we can no longer have a rational conversation about this topic.This is like someone saying "water is made up of H2O" and the other person saying "water is made from Jesus tears".

We will just never be speaking the same language, so there is no conversation to be had here. Again... Agree to disagree and move on.

Why does it have to be all or nothing?.... of course there are inconsistencies in all of thos areas... and more. The question is how to improve them. I just happen to believe that it is all the fault of the head coach... or anyone else for that matter. Although Crosby has a lot to make up for after today lol.

 

[PackerDNA]

Once again it's week 5 and the team is .500 and your hitting the "panic button" as if were 0-5.

Yes, there are things to work on. Nobody is saying MM is perfect and doesn't deserve some blame but to chop his head off at this point with everything that has happened and so much ball left to be played is ridiculous. The team is still in control of there own destiny is the big picture.

It's week 5 of a **** show. This is a mediocre team and won't get much better. We do this every year. Quit looking at a turd and thinking it's gonna turn into a diamond.

 

[sjb12681]

Im not saying it is all his fault. But some believe it is never his fault.
Its:
"AR held the ball too long"
"Crosby missed too many kicks"
"D didnt show up"
"Clay didnt adjust to the new rules"
"CBs were out of position all day"
"We stopped running the ball"
"We KEPT running the ball"
"such and such is injury prone"
Etc. Etc. ETC.

These are all under his control as the head coach. Everything that happens on that field is his responsibility. I am not saying we cut AR because he had a bad game, but if he had 3 SEASONs of subpar QB play, I would say he should be moved on from as well. Ultimately, the buck stops with him.

 

[sjb12681]

And for the record, I called for TT for the same reasons: Accountability.

Right or wrong, if you stop producing in the NFL, there should be accountability. There is a short term memory. TT outlasted his productiveness for at LEAST 3 seasons. MM has shown over multiple seasons now an inability to fix the things his first ballot HOF QB(s) ( 2 of them!) spend their Sundays covering for him. He BANKS on them being good enough to counter his poor effectiveness and and deficient rosters, through either poor roster selection or not being able to push (through coaching) for elevation in talent.

He is a product of his QBs. Thats it. If you give him an average QB, on par with an Alex Smith, or even someone like Flacco or Mariota... He would be out in a year, dramatically.

He has shown he cannot or will not adapt. And personally, I think he lost his locker room several seasons ago, and has NEVER gotten it back. His message and his approach are stale.

And its showing on Sundays.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

There is no conversation here if you see :
A) the only issue with ST play this season (leaving out the last decade under MM) is Crosbys fluke game
B) OL being a non issue for almost every season in the last 4, all year
C) Playcalling being spot on, no issues. Not with vanilla gameplan, inflexibility, wasted TOs, challenge flag mismanagement, clock mismanagement...
D) nothing wrong with our LB core
E) Weekly slow starts going back for years.

If you are saying that you dont see anything above as being an issue, we can no longer have a rational conversation about this topic.This is like someone saying "water is made up of H2O" and the other person saying "water is made from Jesus tears".

We will just never be speaking the same language, so there is no conversation to be had here. Again... Agree to disagree and move on.

No, I just don't live in an alternate universe like you do to be making such a stupid statement

 

[brandon2348]

It's week 5 of a **** show. This is a mediocre team and won't get much better. We do this every year. Quit looking at a turd and thinking it's gonna turn into a diamond.

It was a horrible game for sure but it wasn't like we got beat up by the Lions and were inferior from a talent stand point and that's not always been the case. We beat ourselves and the problems are things that can be worked out.

I still have a lot of hope for this team.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

And for the record, I called for TT for the same reasons: Accountability.

Right or wrong, if you stop producing in the NFL, there should be accountability. There is a short term memory. TT outlasted his productiveness for at LEAST 3 seasons. MM has shown over multiple seasons now an inability to fix the things his first ballot HOF QB(s) ( 2 of them!) spend their Sundays covering for him. He BANKS on them being good enough to counter his poor effectiveness and and deficient rosters, through either poor roster selection or not being able to push (through coaching) for elevation in talent.

He is a product of his QBs. Thats it. If you give him an average QB, on par with an Alex Smith, or even someone like Flacco or Mariota... He would be out in a year, dramatically.

He has shown he cannot or will not adapt. And personally, I think he lost his locker room several seasons ago, and has NEVER gotten it back. His message and his approach are stale.

And its showing on Sundays.

Posts like this are why you anti McCarthy clowns cannot be taken seriously

 

[sjb12681]

No, I just don't live in an alternate universe like you do to be making such a stupid statement

Thats completely fine. Its zero skin off my back. Its an internet message board. You arent obliged to reply if you feel that way. The ignore button is right over there <<<<

 

[PackerDNA]

It was a horrible game for sure but it wasn't like we got beat up by the Lions and were inferior from a talent stand point and that's not always been the case. We beat ourselves and the problems are things that can be worked out.

I still have a lot of hope for this team.

Hope for what?

 

[sjb12681]

Posts like this are why you anti McCarthy clowns cannot be taken seriously

ok, so instead of lobbing another insult (one of several you have sent my way now bc I dont agree with your rosy disposition), what about accountability, outside of your strident and full throated support of MM, says otherwise? We both root for the Packers to win, and at the end of the day, I am looking for someone who can put us in the best possible position to do it. I dont think MM is that person. You do. I have said why. You have now called my statements "stupid" and called me a "Clown". Why is your opinion of this team and its state of affairs any better than mine?

Im actually really curious on this. Or.. you know, just fire another X at me. Seems to be your go to.

 

[brandon2348]

Hope for what?

They might be another good draft away from being the dominant team we all want but this current team can be good enough to compete with anyone. They finally have some talent in the secondary and the young receivers are showing early.

I've seen Packer teams with less talent be in bigger holes then now and come real close to the promise land.

Remember 2014? Our OL got waxed that game to Detroit's pass rush to start 0-2 only to make it to champ game that year. I feel better right now then at the beginning of 2014.

 

[PackerDNA]

They haven't been able to last a half with a the Redskins or lions. Haven't looked too good besides that either.

 

[sjb12681]

They might be another good draft away from being the dominant team we all want but this current team can be good enough to compete with anyone. They finally have some talent in the secondary and the young receivers are showing early.

I've seen Packer teams with less talent be in bigger holes then now and come real close to the promise land.

Remember 2014? Our OL got waxed that game to Detroit's pass rush to start 0-2 only to make it to champ game that year. I feel better right now then at the beginning of 2014.

There is always hope for a W with AR under center. There is no disputing that. The question is how do we give him (again, right or wrong) the best player on our team, and one of the best QBs in history... the tools to more easily get that W? Thats the question here... Why do we always have to rely on AR to do it, vs holding accountable the coaches to help him be his best and get the best out of those around him. We just EXPECT our QB to bring out the best of our team, and "will" them to be better. Lucky us, he does this a LOT.

He shouldnt have to. Thats the point I am making.

 

[brandon2348]

There is always hope for a W with AR under center. There is no disputing that. The question is how do we give him (again, right or wrong) the best player on our team, and one of the best QBs in history... the tools to more easily get that W? Thats the question here... Why do we always have to rely on AR to do it, vs holding accountable the coaches to help him be his best and get the best out of those around him. We just EXPECT our QB to bring out the best of our team, and "will" them to be better. Lucky us, he does this a LOT.

He shouldnt have to. Thats the point I am making.

Because we're still dealing with the "backlash" of Ted Thompson moves. It's hard to turn 3 years of bad personnel moves around in one offseason.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Im not saying it is all his fault. But some believe it is never his fault.
Its:
"AR held the ball too long"
"Crosby missed too many kicks"
"D didnt show up"
"Clay didnt adjust to the new rules"
"CBs were out of position all day"
"We stopped running the ball"
"We KEPT running the ball"
"such and such is injury prone"
Etc. Etc. ETC.

These are all under his control as the head coach. Everything that happens on that field is his responsibility. I am not saying we cut AR because he had a bad game, but if he had 3 SEASONs of subpar QB play, I would say he should be moved on from as well. Ultimately, the buck stops with him.

1. Yes you are, you're scapegoating him

2. Again, as I've repeated over and over, MM doesn't have a remote control telling Rodgers when to release the football

 

[Mondio]

This team isn’t just AR. And today he’s a big reason we lost. You can’t turn the ball over in scoring position for the other team multiple times in a single game and get away with it.

There are a lot of other guys on this team doing good things. Every week it seems it’s somthimg, that’s frustrating, but not seeing the potential, well that’s you’re take I guess.

And on the topic of losing the locker room? When I see this team quit maybe I’ll give some credence to that, but for now it has been and still is garbage

 

[sjb12681]

Because we're still dealing with the "backlash" of Ted Thompson moves. It's hard to turn 3 years of bad personnel moves around in one offseason.

You are correct. Im not saying this is an overnight fix. But TT cannot be blamed for the other things that fall directly into the coaches discretion: Playcalls, Timeouts, challenges, etc. Those are the things that... combined with the issues, should be held accountable at MM feet.

 

[Mike McCarthy]

Thompson certainly stunk up the place before he was demoted. Really bad case of the walking farts.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

There is always hope for a W with AR under center. There is no disputing that.

Yes because MM put him there and gave him an offense tailored to his strengths

 

[sjb12681]

1. Yes you are, you're scapegoating him

2. Again, as I've repeated over and over, MM doesn't have a remote control telling Rodgers when to release the football

So... based on that logic, how did MM fix AR when he came into the league? Was he responsible for coaching up AR back in the mid 2000s when he was holding the ball too long, had a funky "Tedford" release out of Cal? Or did AR just magically change his entire mechanics when he got drafted and become SB winning/ MVP Aaron?

He cant get credit for being a QB "guru" responsible for cultivating AR, and then go the other way when it goes against him. He either can coach AR, or he cant. He can either lead the team as the Head Coach, or he cant. He doesnt get credit for the good , without blame for the bad. We cant say he is a good coach if he isnt responsible for anything he "coaches" or any of the coaches he has working for him.

 

[sjb12681]

Yes because MM put him there and gave him an offense tailored to his strengths

So, if I understand you, he is responsible and worth praise when his QB does good, but not when he does bad? Thats interesting accountability. So, he shouldnt be the reason when AR does bad, but he IS the reason when he does well?

Got it.

 

[sjb12681]

So, if I understand you, he is responsible and worth praise when his QB does good, but not when he does bad? Thats interesting accountability. So, he shouldnt be the reason when AR does bad, but he IS the reason when he does well?

Got it.

By extension, if the team does well, its bc McCarthy is a great coach, who coached them up to perform at their best, but when they struggle, its their fault, and MM cant be held accountable for their shortcomings? Am I understanding this correctly?

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

By extension, if the team does well, its bc McCarthy is a great coach, who coached them up to perform at their best, but when they struggle, its their fault, and MM cant be held accountable for their shortcomings? Am I understanding this correctly?

No, he's as human as the rest of any coaches out there, and sure he'll have games like today where he'll look back and probably say he could have done this or that better.

But I bought up that point about him putting Rodgers in the offense he has to shoot a hole in that whole riding his coattails thing which his critics constantly use to detract from his previous winning records.

There are no such things as head coaches who ride QBs coattails to success.

 

[FaninColorado]

Yes because MM put him there and gave him an offense tailored to his strengths

That is fine and dandy... but MM can't have it both ways in that argument. He sure and hell didn't make any changes to tailor an offense around Hundley last year. He just expected him to become ARod2. No other coach except for Bill Walsh has been blessed with back to back HoF QB's. The whole MM built the offense is incorrect... He should get credit yes... but to say that MM hasn't been riding the coat tails of Favre and ARod over the past 2 decades is just not wanting to admit the truth behind the situation here.