Mike McCarthy Getting Unfairly Blamed For Injuries, Bad Kicking And Team Youth

[swhitset]

AR has been the saving grace of this offense till now. With him I jured last season and off form this time, MM stinks up the place.

so it’s not possible that Rodgers is part of the problem?

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

At the end of the day, this team should be 1-4. Period.

Ridiculous, more like 3-2 if the refs don't screw up the Matthews call and the broken Mason doesn't blow that game winner.

Ridiculous post is ridiculous

 

[sjb12681]

Ridiculous, more like 3-2 if the refs don't screw up the Matthews call and the broken Mason doesn't blow that game winner.

Ridiculous post is ridiculous

So... Your take is that this team is closer to a 3-2 than a 1-4? Someone has spiked your kool-aid friend. Optimistic to the end.

You are kidding yourself. This team has shown itself over years to be deficient in multiple levels. Consistently.

 

[sjb12681]

I said it in shoutbox earlier... Good teams don't need hail Marys multiple time in a season. Or "things to bounce their way" every game. Good teams don't spot mediocre teams multiple tds regularly then need to climb back out of a hole.

This isn't a good team.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

AR has been the saving grace of this offense till now. With him I jured last season and off form this time, MM stinks up the place.

See this the problem. MM gets blamed for EVERYTHING, and I mean literally everything that goes wrong.

Injuries ... Yup must be MM's fault

Rodgers plays a little less than elite ... Yup must be MM's fault


Man, where is the blaming of Doug Pederson for the Eagles starting slow? How bout Kyle Shanahan looking like a fool for his red zone Bungles? How bout Mike Tomlin not getting his team back to the Superbowl with the best receiver in football, maybe the Steelers should blame him for all their struggles and dump him on the wayside.

No other head coach in the league (aside from maybe Jason Garrett) gets blamed like McCarthy does around here.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

So... Your take is that this team is closer to a 3-2 than a 1-4? Someone has spiked your kool-aid friend. Optimistic to the end.

You are kidding yourself. This team has shown itself over years to be deficient in multiple levels. Consistently.

And someone has spiked yours with a big old shot of hyperpessimism.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I said it in shoutbox earlier... Good teams don't need hail Marys multiple time in a season. Or "things to bounce their way" every game. Good teams don't spot mediocre teams multiple tds regularly then need to climb back out of a hole.

This isn't a good team.

Since when did we go needing (or attempting for that matter) multiple hail Marys this season?

 

[LambeauLombardi]

Green Bay: 2-2-1
Points For: 115
Points Against: 114

Cleveland: 2-2-1
Points For: 114
Points Against: 113

 

[brandon2348]

The reality is it's real tough to win in this league more then ever with all the parity. We dont have the luxury of having a QB on a rookie contract. Good teams get beaten every week in this league.

We've definitately had some tough blows with bad refs calls on Matthew's, dropped balls along with poor execution and most recently kicking woes.

Like I've posted it's a long season and to give up on this team is ridiculous. This team has a lot of young talent and will get Rodgers healthy and practicing consistently soon. Sure, it would of been nice to get off to a fast start and have inside track on HFA but it just wasn't in the cards.

With all that said I fully expect this team to be competing for the right to go to the Super Bowl in the end.

 

[sjb12681]

Since when did we go needing (or attempting for that matter) multiple hail Marys this season?

It's not this season alone. That's the point and why it isn't always someone else.

MM is ultimately responsible for having his teams prepared and positioned to win.
He is poor at doing so.

Your take that he shouldn't be blamed for anything is wholly incorrect. As head coach, the buck stops with him. His own words.

What you are doing is making excuses for every single thing that falls under his purveyance.

Installing mental fortitude to overcome things like the pubt turnover today: his job
Game planning to adjustments: his job

Making sure his team is coached up to limit mistakes: his job

Calling plays that force your qb to get rid of the ball: his job, or his job to ensure the OC is calling them

Holding players who underperforming accountable: his job.

I can keep going if you like, but after a game like today where the wheels fell off, it's gonna be a tough time convincing me it's everyone/anyone else's fault.

Again, not in a vacuum. These things we continue to see have been ongoing... For not a game/season... Multiple years going back half a decade (some issues MUCH longer).

He is the one accountable. Buck stops with MM.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Your take that he shouldn't be blamed for anything is wholly incorrect. As head coach, the buck stops with him. His own words.

Your whole post there was just whack, and right on par with the anti-McCarthy whackos and their propaganda.

But you just twisted my words there where I did not say he gets zero blame but gets 100℅ blame week in and week out for every damn loss. He really does and it gets stupid the way people try and pin stuff on him.

As Brandon pointed out, it's too long a season and practically every team except the Chiefs and Rams have seen problems knocking them in the head one week or another.

If anything we've had things going against us thus far, and bringing up past hail Mary games from 3 years ago proves nothing.

 

[sjb12681]

I guess we agree to disagree. I obviously see things you don't see or don't want to see. Fair enough.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

so it’s not possible that Rodgers is part of the problem?

If by part of the problem you mean not doing as much to cover up for flaws then yeah, I guess. But I don't think that's really what "part of the problem" should mean. Sure, he misses some throws but at this point he's dealt with an offense that doesn't create easy plays and relies on him to scramble and wait for things to break down. When the QB has been the driving force for this offense for years, and he's done it by scrambling and buying time for guys to get open, it's only natural that he's going to start scrambling earlier and earlier.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Your whole post there was just whack, and right on par with the anti-McCarthy whackos and their propaganda.

But you just twisted my words there where I did not say he gets zero blame but gets 100℅ blame week in and week out for every damn loss. He really does and it gets stupid the way people try and pin stuff on him.

As Brandon pointed out, it's too long a season and practically every team except the Chiefs and Rams have seen problems knocking them in the head one week or another.

If anything we've had things going against us thus far, and bringing up past hail Mary games from 3 years ago proves nothing.

So what exactly DO you think MM should get blamed for? So far as I can tell, in your opinion, the buy is basically a better Belichick. At some point the guy in charge needs to take some responsibility when performance has been subpar over an extended period of time.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

See this the problem. MM gets blamed for EVERYTHING, and I mean literally everything that goes wrong.

Injuries ... Yup must be MM's fault

Rodgers plays a little less than elite ... Yup must be MM's fault


Man, where is the blaming of Doug Pederson for the Eagles starting slow? How bout Kyle Shanahan looking like a fool for his red zone Bungles? How bout Mike Tomlin not getting his team back to the Superbowl with the best receiver in football, maybe the Steelers should blame him for all their struggles and dump him on the wayside.

No other head coach in the league (aside from maybe Jason Garrett) gets blamed like McCarthy does around here.

I missed your strident defense of Capers when injuries decimated the defense. And yeah, MM is given credit for being a QB-guru, if Rodgers play is off, then that is absolutely on MM.

Lots of coaches get blamed. MM is getting blamed because this team is underperforming. That's what happens to the guy in charge when things go wrong, they get some of the blame.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

so it’s not possible that Rodgers is part of the problem?

Well, I certainly think he had a little to blame, but given that he's had to work through that knee and limited practice time we have to allow him some slack. Plus his team at the beginning of the game plus Crosby missing FGs put the pressure even more on him to get more done.

I feel like the offense has the potential but just hasn't quite put together full games yet. They will though especially as ESB and MVS keep doing well.

Only part of this team I'm concerned about is Whitt's secondary and hopefully Crosby can stop the shanks.

 

[Mike McCarthy]

So what exactly DO you think MM should get blamed for? So far as I can tell, in your opinion, the buy is basically a better Belichick. At some point the guy in charge needs to take some responsibility when performance has been subpar over an extended period of time.

I’m starting to think he might be right in saying it’s all joe Whitt’s fault. Certainly can’t be the head coach....

 

[Poppa San]

I guess we agree to disagree. I obviously see things you don't see or don't want to see. Fair enough.

Why do you only show up to post about the game after the Packers lose? Your last previous posts to today were after week 3's game. A couple of player comments sprinkled in.

 

[sjb12681]

Well, I certainly think he had a little to blame, but given that he's had to work through that knee and limited practice time we have to allow him some slack. Plus his team at the beginning of the game plus Crosby missing FGs put the pressure even more on him to get more done.

I feel like the offense has the potential but just hasn't quite put together full games yet. They will though especially as ESB and MVS keep doing well.

Only part of this team I'm concerned about is Whitt's secondary and hopefully Crosby can stop the shanks.

Really? Those are your ONLY concerns? WOW.
No concern over general ST play?
No concerns on Oline? None???
No concerns at playcalling?
No concerns over lack of depth or talent at LB?
No issues with conditioning, playclocl management, or slow starts every week?

Maybe you should add "Sunshine" to your screen name.

 

[sjb12681]

Why do you only show up to post about the game after the Packers lose? Your last previous posts to today were after week 3's game. A couple of player comments sprinkled in.

I don't, but I mean we lose so many games I can see why it would look that way.

 

[swhitset]

Well, I certainly think he had a little to blame, but given that he's had to work through that knee and limited practice time we have to allow him some slack. Plus his team at the beginning of the game plus Crosby missing FGs put the pressure even more on him to get more done.

I feel like the offense has the potential but just hasn't quite put together full games yet. They will though especially as ESB and MVS keep doing well.

Only part of this team I'm concerned about is Whitt's secondary and hopefully Crosby can stop the shanks.

I never said I wanted to get rid of Rodgers... of course he deserves some slack especially considering his injury. However, I have thought for a long time that he would rather ignore the easy 5-7 yard gain in favor of waiting (sometimes too long) trying to find the big play. This is not always the wrong thing to do .... but sometimes I think he over does it.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Really? Those are your ONLY concerns? WOW.
No concern over general ST play?
No concerns on Oline? None???
No concerns at playcalling?
No concerns over lack of depth or talent at LB?
No issues with conditioning, playclocl management, or slow starts every week?

Maybe you should add "Sunshine" to your screen name.

1. Last I checked, placekicking IS general special teams play. Aside from that, I don't know what the damn gripe is.

2. OL, well that does need to improve but it'll stabilize as the season goes on

3. Ridiculous, play calling was a non-issue today, enough of this stupid play call criticism

4. Secondary as I already pointed out was the problem not the LBs

5. Aside from perhaps considering getting a new S&C coach, there are not slow starts every week or clock management problems.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I never said I wanted to get rid of Rodgers... of course he deserves some slack especially considering his injury. However, I have thought for a long time that he would rather ignore the easy 5-7 yard gain in favor of waiting (sometimes too long) trying to find the big play. This is not always the wrong thing to do .... but sometimes I think he over does it.

Yes that's fair, was just looking to let the crazy McCarthy haters know that defending MM is not taking pot shots at Rodgers like they seem to think.

Nor do I buy into this silly notion that the offense needs Rodgers to be flawless in order to operate at full speed. Hundley (when he was here) just made them think this.

 

[sjb12681]

There is no conversation here if you see :
A) the only issue with ST play this season (leaving out the last decade under MM) is Crosbys fluke game
B) OL being a non issue for almost every season in the last 4, all year
C) Playcalling being spot on, no issues. Not with vanilla gameplan, inflexibility, wasted TOs, challenge flag mismanagement, clock mismanagement...
D) nothing wrong with our LB core
E) Weekly slow starts going back for years.

If you are saying that you dont see anything above as being an issue, we can no longer have a rational conversation about this topic.This is like someone saying "water is made up of H2O" and the other person saying "water is made from Jesus tears".

We will just never be speaking the same language, so there is no conversation to be had here. Again... Agree to disagree and move on.

 

[melvin dangerr]

I don’t think the O’line did to bad today Rodgers kept leaving his pocket protection, trying to find receivers, that’s where turnovers happened...