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[PikeBadger]

Rodgers targeted Tonyan 67 times last season. That's actually more than enough for an average tight end at best.



I fully expect the Vikings to win more games than the Packers next season if Rodgers is traded.

Disagree.

 

[Jayzee1981]

Rodgers targeted Tonyan 67 times last season. That's actually more than enough for an average tight end at best.



I fully expect the Vikings to win more games than the Packers next season if Rodgers is traded.

No

 

[XPack]

I fully expect the Vikings to win more games than the Packers next season if Rodgers is traded.

Agree. They are already shoring up their defense with Davenport and with a couple of intelligent even if low key buys, they'd be better.

Though if they trade Cook, the unsettle the kitchen!

 

[rmontro]

The Packers will be fine. The Vikings are the ones in full rebuild mode.

I'm more concerned about the Lions. As for the Packers, we may have to eat a season or two.

 

[PikeBadger]

I'm more concerned about the Lions. As for the Packers, we may have to eat a season or two.

We ate last year. I think we'll finish better than 8-9 next year. I fully expect to see LaFleur's offense next year which I believe will feature more focus on the running game.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Disagree.

No

We'll revisit that at the end of next season.

We ate last year. I think we'll finish better than 8-9 next year. I fully expect to see LaFleur's offense next year which I believe will feature more focus on the running game.

While that sounds great in theory it doesn't make much sense if the Packers average less than four yards a carry in seven games next season once again. I highly doubt they will win more games than in 2022 with Love starting.

 

[Schultz]

Plus, IMO it will be more difficult to run the ball with Love at QB than it was with AR.

 

[PikeBadger]

We'll revisit that at the end of next season.



While that sounds great in theory it doesn't make much sense if the Packers average less than four yards a carry in seven games next season once again. I highly doubt they will win more games than in 2022 with Love starting.

Disagree. I think we'll be better than many expect.

 

[MadCat]

We ate last year. I think we'll finish better than 8-9 next year. I fully expect to see LaFleur's offense next year which I believe will feature more focus on the running game.

They can focus on the run all they want, but the results will boil down to how well the OL plays, which will have to be better than last season for sure. And defenses will be keying on the run until Love can prove he is a threat.

 

[PikeBadger]

They can focus on the run all they want, but the results will boil down to how well the OL plays, which will have to be better than last season for sure. And defenses will be keying on the run until Love can prove he is a threat.

I fully expect that Bakhtiari and Jenkins will be consistently better than they played last year. Myers, Runyan, Nijman et al are still at points in their career that it is not unreasonable to expect incremental improvement as well. What we really need is stability on the o- line and some halfway decent luck on the injury front to that position group.

 

[gopkrs]

Plus, IMO it will be more difficult to run the ball with Love at QB than it was with AR.

I don't see why. For one thing Love will most of the time run the actual play. It will depend on our O line blocking. And the O line coach will have something to do with that also.

 

[Jayzee1981]

I don't see why. For one thing Love will most of the time run the actual play. It will depend on our O line blocking. And the O line coach will have something to do with that also.

Then if that’s the case then MLF is on the hot seat starting now. His offense can’t work, then he shouldn’t be here. Same goes for Gute. His baby don’t pan out, there’s the door.

 

[tynimiller]

Then if that’s the case then MLF is on the hot seat starting now. His offense can’t work, then he shouldn’t be here. Same goes for Gute. His baby don’t pan out, there’s the door.

I'm fairly certain there isn't a soul anywhere that believes Gute will retain his position for long if Love is an absolute failure. Gute will get 2023 and possibly 2024 season only...

 

[BrokenArrow]

Then if that’s the case then MLF is on the hot seat starting now. His offense can’t work, then he shouldn’t be here. Same goes for Gute. His baby don’t pan out, there’s the door.

MLF holds a 49-22 record. He is by no stretch of the imagination on anyone's hot seat. Yours doesn't count.

 

[OldSchool101]

We ate last year. I think we'll finish better than 8-9 next year. I fully expect to see LaFleur's offense next year which I believe will feature more focus on the running game.

With likely a few extra draft Picks, I wouldn’t mind seeing a mid rounder at RB that is also a YAC Monster.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

MLF holds a 49-22 record. He is by no stretch of the imagination on any hot seat.

Agree. I can see Gute being on somewhat of a medium-hotseat, mainly due to how he has handled Rodgers AND if Love doesn't look legit in his first 2 years, Gute could be gone. I am not going to list all of the positive things that Gute has done, but I see them outweighing the negatives at this point. Also, unlike a lot of Packer fans, I hope that the Packers don't use hindsight to say "Gute has to go, the Love pick had no basis and was a total failure." Those that want to say that, should revisit the rationale behind the pick AT THE TIME.

People should also remember a few other things.

- Firing and rehiring GM's and coaches, doesn't necessarily improve the team.

- The Packers finished 8-9 last season.

- In Rodgers first year as a starter (2008), the Packers went 6-10. The year before, 13-3.

I don't expect Love to instantly turn an 8-9 team around in 1 season. Matter of fact, I don't really know what to fully expect from Love and the Packers in 2023, but I don't expect all that much and definitely not a spot in the playoffs. The last 3 or 4 years have put the Packers behind the 8 ball in regards to the cap. It may take a few years to dig out of it.

 

[tynimiller]

Wouldn't shock me if a Love led team won only 3, lost only 3 or somewhere inbetween. A lot of it doesn't even depend on just Love...does Watson and Doubs take next steps like many suspect...will Stokes be his rookie version or sophomore before injury (not as good)....will Rasul play like 2021 or 2022...will Jaire be allowed to be what he is best or restricted and honestly not as good like in 2022.....and that doesn't even touch on Wyatt or Gary or Quay...and this hasn't even mentioned offense really besides the first note.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Wouldn't shock me if a Love led team won only 3, lost only 3 or somewhere inbetween. A lot of it doesn't even depend on just Love...does Watson and Doubs take next steps like many suspect...will Stokes be his rookie version or sophomore before injury (not as good)....will Rasul play like 2021 or 2022...will Jaire be allowed to be what he is best or restricted and honestly not as good like in 2022.....and that doesn't even touch on Wyatt or Gary or Quay...and this hasn't even mentioned offense really besides the first note.

I think your "lost only 3" is a bit too optimistic

But yeah, as you pointed out, the Packers have more question marks than just "Will Love be able to replace Aaron?" Due to cap restraints, I expect less depth than we saw over the last few seasons, so injuries will play a key role in what happens too. I expect a pretty green receiving corp. (TE's included). Love will definitely make some mistakes and it might be up to the defense to keep the Packers in games.

 

[Jayzee1981]

MLF holds a 49-22 record. He is by no stretch of the imagination on anyone's hot seat. Yours doesn't count.

No ****? I thought my seat counted. Aww shucks. Doug Peterson was fired 3 years after winning a Super Bowl. Regular season wins don’t mean **** these days. They’ve blown NFCCG 2 years in a row and built this offense around Loves talents basically. He fails, they fail, guess whose to blame. You?

 

[BrokenArrow]

No ****? I thought my seat counted. Aww shucks. Doug Peterson was fired 3 years after winning a Super Bowl. Regular season wins don’t mean **** these days. They’ve blown NFCCG 2 years in a row and built this offense around Loves talents basically. He fails, they fail, guess whose to blame. You?

And those two blown NFCC are exactly why it's well past time to move on from Rodgers. And what does "guess whose to blame" mean?

 

[OldSchool101]

Agree. I can see Gute being on somewhat of a medium-hotseat, mainly due to how he has handled Rodgers AND if Love doesn't look legit in his first 2 years, Gute could be gone. I am not going to list all of the positive things that Gute has done, but I see them outweighing the negatives at this point. Also, unlike a lot of Packer fans, I hope that the Packers don't use hindsight to say "Gute has to go, the Love pick had no basis and was a total failure." Those that want to say that, should revisit the rationale behind the pick AT THE TIME.

People should also remember a few other things.

- Firing and rehiring GM's and coaches, doesn't necessarily improve the team.

- The Packers finished 8-9 last season.

- In Rodgers first year as a starter (2008), the Packers went 6-10. The year before, 13-3.

I don't expect Love to instantly turn an 8-9 team around in 1 season. Matter of fact, I don't really know what to fully expect from Love and the Packers in 2023, but I don't expect all that much and definitely not a spot in the playoffs. The last 3 or 4 years have put the Packers behind the 8 ball in regards to the cap. It may take a few years to dig out of it.

I’m expecting a step backwards also. In the area of a 5-6 win season. If our Defense can get it together maybe for once, maybe 7-8 Wins. We should be picking in the top 10 next season, plus possibly extra draft picks which will give us a boost by 2025. I still think IF we hit our draft properly? We can be Wildcard like by 2024 and emerging.

We aren’t used to picking lots of earlier draft picks and that’s what we’ll be doing in 2023-2024. That part is Gutes strong suit. He’s not as good a GM as he is at player talent evaluation imo. With only $20mil at QB next season we should see our Cap straighten out pretty quickly.

 

[Jayzee1981]

And those two blown NFCC are exactly why it's well past time to move on from Rodgers. And what does "guess whose to blame" mean?

Those 2 NFCCG losses weren’t solely on Rodgers. Guess who’s to blame is just how it’s perceived. MLF already has been a bit questionable on his play calling, his loyalty to terrible DC, inability to adjust at halftime. Now his offense which is built around the running game and an athletic QB is at the forefront. Yes they will regress this year, and I’m not saying he should be fired for it, but if this kid don’t pan out and this offense that he’s implemented fails, Gute won’t be and shouldn’t be the only one fired. People have been fired with more recent success. Ask Doug Peterson. Regular season wins don’t mean **** bud.

 

[Magooch]

I suspect some of that will depend on how Rodgers does in NY as well honestly.

If we have a poor season and Love doesn't play that well I am sure it will put some pressure on LaFleur but I don't think he gets fired over it.

But if we have a poor season, Love struggles, AND Rodgers has a great season in NY...I can see that one being it for Gute.

 

[gopkrs]

No ****? I thought my seat counted. Aww shucks. Doug Peterson was fired 3 years after winning a Super Bowl. Regular season wins don’t mean **** these days. They’ve blown NFCCG 2 years in a row and built this offense around Loves talents basically. He fails, they fail, guess whose to blame. You?

I was shocked when they fired Peterson. He really coached up that team and had as much to do with the super bowl victory as anyone. Glad to see he has another chance and I think deserves it and will be a good coach for quite awhile.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Those 2 NFCCG losses weren’t solely on Rodgers. Guess who’s to blame is just how it’s perceived. MLF already has been a bit questionable on his play calling, his loyalty to terrible DC, inability to adjust at halftime.

The defense was actually pretty damn good after Thanksgiving. We gave up fewer points than anyone but the Ravens and we played against better offenses in that stretch than they did. As for play-calling criticisms, I haven't seen anyone complaining about that other than the resident forum experts. How do you know what plays he calls? Rodgers changed the play more often than not and often ignored the called plays completely.