KC Chiefs Studs Duds

[greengold]

You're not kidding Mondio.

It was ALL bend but don't break last night. KC's skill position players are dynamic as F. You could readily tell King's job was to keep Hill in front of him. Allow for the short gains, but don't give up the explosive plays.

My only thing knocking Pettine last night, personally, was the lack of pass rush in the 2nd Quarter and some into Q3, and the insistence of keeping Martinez in when he clearly was not the right man for the job.

 

[PackAttack12]

It figures a lot people will use last night as a reason to hate Pettine and bag on King like usual. it should be a testament to a coach using the resources he has in a way to beat the opponent in front of them. The same guys that *****ed for years about Thompson wanting to pound square pegs into round holes with guys like Perry (never mind it was injury that limited him, not ability) are the same ones screaming that King gives Tyreek Hill too much cushion 1 on 1 in a 3rd and 6 with absolutely zero help over the top. They don't even get the irony of their position

They also don't have much in the way of big picture vision either. outside of a couple busted plays early, the defense did exactly what they had planned to do and when the offense got back to moving the ball it proved to be a winning formula.

Precisely.

And if Pettine would have went press man and Hill beat us over the top a couple of times, the same knuckleheads would be screaming "WHY PLAY PRESS MAN ON TYREKE HILL".

The Packers knew they would move the ball on the Chiefs. Best thing to do is bend but don't break and limit their possessions. It was a very sound strategy that worked.

 

[GleefulGary]

You're not kidding Mondio.

It was ALL bend but don't break last night. KC's skill position players are dynamic as F. You could readily tell King's job was to keep Hill in front of him. Allow for the short gains, but don't give up the explosive plays.

My only thing knocking Pettine last night, personally, was the lack of pass rush in the 2nd Quarter and some into Q3, and the insistence of keeping Martinez in when he clearly was not the right man for the job.

Pettine can't make his guys win on the line. That's their job. He could have blitzed, but that increases the chances of an explosive play. I'm not going to knock Pettine bc the Smith Bro's weren't getting pressure.

 

[greengold]

Gary, I'm done. There are other factors involved, and it is a pretty minimal gripe I had there, and mentioned as such. Sometimes a coach can inspire his players to play with more urgency. I did not see that during those portions of the game. Sorry.

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

STUD: The great timing on the William's TD where Vitale and Williams crossed paths a split second apart in order for Vitale to lay down that goal line block.

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

And with the weapons KC has it dont matter if Mahomes is out there. Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Swayze, or Patrick Star. Wouldn't have mattered. I could have played with the weapons KC has.

 

[Mondio]

And with the weapons KC has it dont matter if Mahomes is out there. Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Swayze, or Patrick Star. Wouldn't have mattered. I could have played with the weapons KC has.

It's a thought I have had too. Sure, Mahomes is really good and we likely would have had to play them a little bit differently, but at the end of the day it's about getting the ball in playmakers hands. Their back up got the ball to the open guy and we were able to limit the damage.

Mahomes may have extended plays and maybe there was no where to go down field because of how we were playing or maybe he just takes the underneath stuff we were giving and the results aren't much different?

I kept saying, it's not like the chiefs were playing with Hundley and Geronimo Allison.

 

[greengold]

And with the weapons KC has it dont matter if Mahomes is out there. Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Swayze, or Patrick Star. Wouldn't have mattered. I could have played with the weapons KC has.

Thank you for noticing that! To me, it was as ROCK STAR a goal line block and play as just about any since the Ice Bowl.

 

[GleefulGary]

Gary, I'm done. There are other factors involved, and it is a pretty minimal gripe I had there, and mentioned as such. Sometimes a coach can inspire his players to play with more urgency. I did not see that during those portions of the game. Sorry.

You don't have to be sorry, it's a discussion. I just don't agree with you.

There are different scheme things that can be done to generate pressure, but they have drawbacks too.

I don't think any of us can say that the DL didn't get pressure because Pettine wasn't motivating them enough. I'm not there, you're not there, we don't know that. If they aren't motivated enough in that game, then we've got really big issues. Really big.

 

[greengold]

Precisely.

And if Pettine would have went press man and Hill beat us over the top a couple of times, the same knuckleheads would be screaming "WHY PLAY PRESS MAN ON TYREKE HILL".

The Packers knew they would move the ball on the Chiefs. Best thing to do is bend but don't break and limit their possessions. It was a very sound strategy that worked.

It turned out to be a very sound strategy. No doubt. You could easily see that was their intent by the way King was playing his coverages. Purposefully backing off.

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

@AmishMafia what do you disagree on lol? That it was a bad block?

 

[LambeauLombardi]

I'm sure this is no surprise to most but Aaron Jones is really fast. The Kansas City defender looked like he had an angle on AJ. Also great blocking by the left side linemen on that.

 

[PackAttack12]

that wasn't a rope. he rainbowed it. he (admittedly) threw up a prayer and it was answered. great catch!

I'm illustrating the insane arm talent, and you're quibbling over the words I chose to use. It was undoubtedly a great catch by JWill, but if you cannot acknowledge how great of a throw that was, you're an even bigger hater than I already know you to be.

 

[greengold]

@AmishMafia what do you disagree on lol? That it was a bad block?

He must have meant to hit “Funny.”

 

[Cheese Headed Monster]

I'm illustrating the insane arm talent, and you're quibbling over the words I chose to use. It was undoubtedly a great catch by JWill, but if you cannot acknowledge how great of a throw that was, you're an even bigger hater than I already know you to be.

It was one of the best throws i have ever seen. I said that also about his throw to Jared Cook in Dallas and I said that about the hail mary against the Cardinals specifically. Those 3 throws are as great as it gets.

 

[Dayooper]

A win is a win and over all to get that win the team as a whole did what they needed to make that happen.

The defense however can't seem to stop the end runs and receivers running wide open all over the field. I am not sure what to think 7-1, I guess the system is working.

 

[OldSchool101]

LeFleur - I've realized that with him, he has a plan. You can't live and die with him on every play. Every play isn't going to work in the NFL anyway. However, he's done excellent scheming around our issues with the WR position, and the run game is a legit threat every play.

That’s a good point. While having Rodgers makes it all possible, MLF has done a really good job of mixing up the targets. It’s at a point where you have to cover 5 guys from 3 position groups who can all perform adequately.
Imagine if we had a little better talent/more experience at WR/TE position? Plus our RBs getting involved. 1 dynamic Slot receiver, 1 more above average pass catching TE and Davante Adams on the field and we could be putting up 2011 type #’s on O

kudus to PAckAttack. I read his similar, prior post just after this.

 

[Pugger]

I'm sure this is no surprise to most but Aaron Jones is really fast. The Kansas City defender looked like he had an angle on AJ. Also great blocking by the left side linemen on that.

I never realized how fast Jones is!

 

[OldSchool101]

It's a thought I have had too. Sure, Mahomes is really good and we likely would have had to play them a little bit differently, but at the end of the day it's about getting the ball in playmakers hands. Their back up got the ball to the open guy and we were able to limit the damage.

Mahomes may have extended plays and maybe there was no where to go down field because of how we were playing or maybe he just takes the underneath stuff we were giving and the results aren't much different?

I kept saying, it's not like the chiefs were playing with Hundley and Geronimo Allison.

After watching that game, I was thinking along that same theory as you and ChesseHeadedMonster.
I know Mahomes is better, but Moore played at a high level for a backup. Probably as good as many average starting QBs.

The game would’ve been close either way. Their fumble wasn’t the QB fault, our Running game wasn’t affected by their QB, etc.. etc.. The game might change slightly but nothing dramatic. The matchups were the matchups (or mismatches in this case).

 

[gbgary]

I'm illustrating the insane arm talent, and you're quibbling over the words I chose to use. It was undoubtedly a great catch by JWill, but if you cannot acknowledge how great of a throw that was, you're an even bigger hater than I already know you to be.

i'm not a hater. it was a great effort and a great catch.

 

[lambeaulambo]

Studs:

Rodgers - this is the type of win he will stamp his ticket to the hof on. absolute mastery.

Jones - enough has been said, he is a weapon anywhere on the field and his motor is impressive once he breaks.

Williams - whod have thunk it? I honestly didnt see him coming into his own like this..reminds me of the Levens/Bennett era

Jenkins - this guy is going to be special, real special...wouldnt be surprised if he moved to tackle, he is that versatile and road grates through on the run.

LaFleur - he has this young team jacked and ready. you have to hand him kudos after taking one in kc.

Z Smith - the man is playing and is nicked up...big respect.


Duds:

Pettine - zone never worked and never will when you give a qb time to pick apart the defense, it doesnt really matter who is under center, here and there w zone is a good thing, but 2 quarters of it? nope

Menninga - special teams coach needs to figure out an adequate squad on coverage and returns...he is not getting it done at all, and it will rear its ugly head sooner or later.

MVS - he flashes and then disappears. really confused as to why he cannot get open and doesnt improvise when needed.


All in all, this was an excellent w and I'm happy, but improvements need to be made as this young team continues to grow, but make no mistake, this squad is on the right path to success.

 

[Mondio]

i'm not a hater. it was a great effort and a great catch.

The words you choose repeatedly and on a regular basis say otherwise

 

[gbgary]

The words you choose repeatedly and on a regular basis say otherwise

i'm a realist. not a cheerleader.

 

[Mondio]

Sure thing

 

[PackAttack12]

i'm not a hater. it was a great effort and a great catch.

I’m sure that’s how it must seem in your fantasy world.