KC Chiefs Studs Duds

[greengold]

Last play of the game: Is Jimmy Graham just a big dumb guy? If he and Ward were getting into it during the game and he was looking for a last shot, then as usual he couldn't get much of a shot on him which is a good thing.

I didn’t see a “shot,” just what would normally be considered a block. I mean, not unlike any other jam at the line.

 

[GleefulGary]

Sadly, I have to agree. I had high hopes for him, but, it is clear we need another WR who knows how to get separation and move the chains.

Off the top of my head -
Studs:
Aaron Rodgers
Aaron Jones
Jamaal Williams
Jake Kumerow
Alan Lazard
Bakhtiari
Jenkins
Linsley
Turner
Bulaga
Light
Vitale
Z
Preston
Lancaster
Amos
Sullivan
Savage
Fackrell
JK-47
Crosby

Duds:
Shepherd
Pettine
Our return & coverage units on STs

What, pray tell, did you want Pettine to do?

Vitale was a stud? Kumerow? JK SCOTT?!

 

[Poppa San]

Incidental contact to the helmet is not roughing.

It was last week.

 

[greengold]

Kind of.

The Chiefs have far better skill players.

They were running screens, getting the ball out in space to guys like Hill, Hardeman, Watkins. We were doing that with guys like Graham, Lazard, and MVS.

Andy Reid, scheme wise, out coaches almost everybody. That's nothing uncommon. Brilliant playcaller/schemer.

The Packers offense took a half to figure out what KC was doing defensively. We outcoached them in the second, imo.

I thought our DL performed poorly. Almost zero pass rush the first half. Second half wasn't much better. Pettine didn't want to blitz, because that's how you give up big plays to the Chiefs. They're just so explosive. They've matched the talent to the scheme well there. Hope we can do the same.

Definitely wanted to see more urgency from our DL in Q2, and beyond. They did some great work later in the game.

 

[Mondio]

It was last week.

and it was much, much less. That one on Gary against Dallas when Dak pulled it down to start running, what a joke. Today he practically pulled his helmet off from the front and no flag. I can live with it though if it happens when tackling. I don't like the inconsistency though.

 

[GleefulGary]

We flat out don't have a WR outside of Adams that can get open against man coverage.

The throw to Kumerow was outstanding, and a great catch of course, but he wasn't exactly open.

So Kumerow can't get open. MVS can't get open. Lazard can't. And I'm talking consistently, not guys who are schemed open with a pick play or crossing. I'm talking getting open against man to man coverage. We don't have that except with Adams, and Aaron Jones. It's why Rodgers couldn't beat the blitz first half. He had nobody he could trust to get open.

 

[greengold]

What, pray tell, did you want Pettine to do?

Vitale was a stud? Kumerow? JK SCOTT?!

Dude, maybe you missed Vitale’s block on Williams’ score? Simply stellar. Or Kumerow’s stellar reception? Scott punting from our end zone?

Oh, yeah... and on Pettine, sure would have liked to have had his D more ready in the first half. We looked awful. How about another option for covering the middle of the field, other than Martinez, who can’t cover, period...? Have your guys ready to take the field of play and win their individual battles.

THREE backup OL??? We couldn’t do **** against them. Yeah, Pettine.

I do give him credit for making better adjustments in the 2nd half.

 

[Mondio]

It's why Rodgers couldn't beat the blitz first half. He had nobody he could trust to get open.

Rodgers can't beat the blitz because he's no longer elite. At least that's what someone tried telling me a few weeks ago.

 

[greengold]

We flat out don't have a WR outside of Adams that can get open against man coverage.

The throw to Kumerow was outstanding, and a great catch of course, but he wasn't exactly open.

So Kumerow can't get open. MVS can't get open. Lazard can't. And I'm talking consistently, not guys who are schemed open with a pick play or crossing. I'm talking getting open against man to man coverage. We don't have that except with Adams, and Aaron Jones. It's why Rodgers couldn't beat the blitz first half. He had nobody he could trust to get open.

Huh. Maybe you just have a different perception on that. I happen to think that sometimes, Rodgers is too much of a perfectionist for his own good, and that he should trust his WRs a little more to make a play on a ball, even if it is not perfect.

Maybe that’s why he’s hanging onto the ball too long? I think it is a possibility.

Saying Lazard can’t get open, to me, is just wrong.

 

[red4tribe]

Petals deserves credit for how he has handled the lack of reliable WRs while Adams has been out. He's schemed Jones and Williams into the passing game really effectively. I mean, look at the numbers tonight- Jones and Williams combined 10 receptions, 173 yards and 3 Tds. The WRs combined for 9 receptions for 101 yards. It's not a long term solution, but it's working for now.

 

[GleefulGary]

Dude, maybe you missed Vitale’s block on Williams’ score? Simply stellar. Or Kumerow’s stellar reception? Scott punting from our end zone?

Great. Fullbacks are supposed to block. I'm glad he did he job. A stud? No.

Kumerow had a great reception, because of an incredible throw, and then never got open again the rest of the game. Hell, he wasn't even open on his great catch. Stud? No. He's mediocre.

Scott averaged 35 yards a punt. He had a 25 yard punt!! Stud? Hell no.

Not everyone is a stud. Good grief. One good play a game does not make a stud.

 

[GleefulGary]

Huh. Maybe you just have a different perception on that. I happen to think that sometimes, Rodgers is too much of a perfectionist for his own good, and that he should trust his WRs a little more to make a play on a ball, even if it is not perfect.

Maybe that’s why he’s hanging onto the ball too long? I think it is a possibility.

I saw play after play of Rodgers getting blitzed and having nowhere to go with the ball.

Did he miss a few "open" guys. By his standards, yes. But the majority of the time, it would have taken a perfect pass. If it's not, turnover, and we probably lose the game. I'll take him having standards.

 

[greengold]

Great. Fullbacks are supposed to block. I'm glad he did he job. A stud? No.

Kumerow had a great reception, because of an incredible throw, and then never got open again the rest of the game. Hell, he wasn't even open on his great catch. Stud? No. He's mediocre.

Scott averaged 35 yards a punt. He had a 25 yard punt!! Stud? Hell no.

Not everyone is a stud. Good grief. One good play a game does not make a stud.

Whatever.

 

[greengold]

Scott averaged 35 yards a punt. He had a 25 yard punt!! Stud? Hell no.

Not everyone is a stud. Good grief. One good play a game does not make a stud.

Um, you think our coverage units might have had anything to do with those numbers?

 

[greengold]

I saw play after play of Rodgers getting blitzed and having nowhere to go with the ball.

Did he miss a few "open" guys. By his standards, yes. But the majority of the time, it would have taken a perfect pass. If it's not, turnover, and we probably lose the game. I'll take him having standards.

It’s MY opinion. You don’t like it. You asked. Just pointing it out that it might be something other than what you were implying, GleefulGary.

Man, I can see there are times when we had receivers who couldn’t get open, but to say that “can’t” no matter what is plain wrong.

I do want us to add a better talent in trade at WR before the deadline, if that’s your narrative. I’d agree. But, I want us to trade for a REALLY good receiver. I mean, spend some draft capital to add a top talent, if possible. We’ll soon see what they decide to do there.

 

[GleefulGary]

Um, you think our coverage units might have had anything to do with those numbers?

The 25 yard punt that rolled out of bounds? Nope.

The 38 yarder that went out of bounds? Nope.

The 43 yarder out of our own end zone...that was gross yardage. It was returned 18, for a net of 25.

His GROSS average was 35, net was 29.

So no, I don't think the punt coverage had anything to do with his gross average.

 

[GleefulGary]

It’s MY opinion. You don’t like it. You asked. Just pointing it out that it might be something other than what you were implying, GleefulGary.

Man, I can see there are times when we had receivers who couldn’t get open, but to say that “can’t” no matter what is plain wrong.

I do want us to add a better talent in trade at WR before the deadline, if that’s your narrative. I’d agree. But, I want us to trade for a REALLY good receiver. I mean, spend some draft capital to add a top talent, if possible. We’ll soon see what they decide to do there.

Can't get open consistently against man coverage /=/ can't get open.

There is, obviously, a difference between the two.

 

[greengold]

The 25 yard punt that rolled out of bounds? Nope.

The 38 yarder that went out of bounds? Nope.

The 43 yarder out of our own end zone...that was gross yardage. It was returned 18, for a net of 25.

His GROSS average was 35, net was 29.

So no, I don't think the punt coverage had anything to do with his gross average.

Whatever man! I clearly said “just off the top of my head!” Jesus H. This is supposed to be fun conversation about our team, or... what?

 

[GleefulGary]

Whatever man! I clearly said “just off the top of my head!” Jesus H. This is supposed to be fun conversation about our team, or... what?

You said it, I disagreed and explained why. Not my fault you were wrong, and then doubled down on it.

It's kinda how message boards work. Unless you just want me to agree with you all the time. I can do that, for a fee.

 

[GleefulGary]

Studs:
Rodgers
Jones
Adrian Amos
Elgton Jenkins
Jamaal Williams

Duds:
Shep
JK Scott
ILB's
Who ever decided the camera needed to go to Mahomes every minute
ST's was really, really, bad.

 

[greengold]

You said it, I disagreed and explained why. Not my fault you were wrong, and then doubled down on it.

It's kinda how message boards work. Unless you just want me to agree with you all the time. I can do that, for a fee.

Oh give me a F’ing break. Congratulations for pointing out something I got wrong. Again. Thank you. Much appreciated.

Sue me for really liking how our year 2 punter busted that last kick out of our own end zone under what was some big heat.

 

[GleefulGary]

Oh give me a F’ing break. Congratulations for pointing out something I got wrong. Again. Thank you. Much appreciated.

Sue me for really liking how our year 2 punter busted that last kick out of our own end zone under what was some big heat.

You're welcome!

 

[OldSchool101]

We got no shortage of comedians in here

 

[BrokenArrow]

You said it, I disagreed and explained why. Not my fault you were wrong, and then doubled down on it.

It's kinda how message boards work. Unless you just want me to agree with you all the time. I can do that, for a fee.

Yes. That's exactly how message boards work. Two hard-headed geniuses started crowing back and forth about how stupid the other is and the rest of us sit back and eat popcorn.

 

[Favre>Rodgers259]

WHEW!!!! That drive back to the house nearly killed me!!!!

Studs
Rodgers - Duh
Jones - Duh
J. Williams - Duh
LeFleur - I've realized that with him, he has a plan. You can't live and die with him on every play. Every play isn't going to work in the NFL anyway. However, he's done excellent scheming around our issues with the WR position, and the run game is a legit threat every play.
Light - He was excellent when called up after Bulaga went down.
Graham - He's healthy and catching balls.

Duds
Special Teams - Duh
MVS - Chiefs' secondary isn't trash, but not world beaters either; he should have came away with something.
Martinez - Let's be honest, if he has a pulse he HAS to play, but running 67% out there isn't going to cut it. Either that club needs to be thicker or we gotta find someone who will run full speed.
M. Adams - I think he's just a guy, he doesn't add anything to this defense. Lowry and Clark need help out there.


Observations

I think I understand Pettine's MO now. It's happened in three straight games roughly. He starts in zone, and I believe he wants to stay in zone but the LB position is holding him back. When crunch time happens, he switches to man and dials up a blitz based on what he's tasked both safeties to do. If we still had Greene, or when we get back Campbell, this should work a lot better....key word is "should".

Hats off to the entire secondary, they bent alot but didn't break. I think Moore took maybe 2 shots downfield total? They didn't allow but one huge play and that was the Kelce TD which was again the problematic zone. You have to give KC their props they have some speedsters out there, but the secondary contained it.

JK Scott gets an alibi, the wind was wicked all night, I saw his punts lose their gusto as soon as they hit their high point. But he only punted three times all game. When you only punt three times in a game, that usually means your offense is clicking.