KC Chiefs Studs Duds

[greengold]

Studs:

Rodgers - this is the type of win he will stamp his ticket to the hof on. absolute mastery.

Jones - enough has been said, he is a weapon anywhere on the field and his motor is impressive once he breaks.

Williams - whod have thunk it? I honestly didnt see him coming into his own like this..reminds me of the Levens/Bennett era

Jenkins - this guy is going to be special, real special...wouldnt be surprised if he moved to tackle, he is that versatile and road grates through on the run.

LaFleur - he has this young team jacked and ready. you have to hand him kudos after taking one in kc.

Z Smith - the man is playing and is nicked up...big respect.


Duds:

Pettine - zone never worked and never will when you give a qb time to pick apart the defense, it doesnt really matter who is under center, here and there w zone is a good thing, but 2 quarters of it? nope

Menninga - special teams coach needs to figure out an adequate squad on coverage and returns...he is not getting it done at all, and it will rear its ugly head sooner or later.

MVS - he flashes and then disappears. really confused as to why he cannot get open and doesnt improvise when needed.


All in all, this was an excellent w and I'm happy, but improvements need to be made as this young team continues to grow, but make no mistake, this squad is on the right path to success.

Nice Lambeaulambo. Menninga really does need to get it together. No question on returns & coverage.

Pettine, FWIW seems to be playing his guys about as vanilla as it gets. I was really turned off by what looked like lackluster efforts by our DL in Q2-3. But, I realized they were all bend-don’t-break after a time, and it worked. Amazing. This Packers team is winning with multiple looks, multiple contributors, customized fairly well to their opponents. Also, you can tell they are saving a lot of looks for later in the season.

Good to see, along with their adjustments. Not putting a ton on film for other teams to pick apart, through half a season. I was initially critical of Pettine for that quarter and a half, but, gotta give him props for being positioned to close it out as he did scheme it to be.

I do wish they would run with their RBs even more to save Aaron Rodgers from relentless pass rush.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Studs: Packers and coaches I knew KC would step their game up after a mini break and 2 home losses, yet the coaches adjusted during the game and got the win!

duds: McCarthy for not recognizing Jones talent and using it!
NBC for showing Mahomes after every play!!!

Yeah, let`s bad mouth coach McCarthy again. He`s gone, and for a good few years served us well. Seems some like to forget it.

 

[gbgary]

I’m sure that’s how it must seem in your fantasy world.

those looking through green and gold glasses, spouting unrealistic expectations, cheerleading with their fingers crossed the whole time, are the ones in a fantasy world...and that's cool. fans like me just balance it out some.

 

[PackAttack12]

those looking through green and gold glasses, spouting unrealistic expectations, cheerleading with their fingers crossed the whole time, are the ones in a fantasy world...and that's cool. fans like me just balance it out some.

Please. You take swipes at AR every chance you get. I do hate it for you, given that there isn't much to criticize this season.

Comment after the Cowboys game (paraphrasing) studs: Rodgers, even though he almost get Allison killed over the middle.

But...carry on.

 

[Mondio]

and putting a ball where only his guy can make a play is "throwing up prayers". It was a lucky catch and outcome of the play to a large degree, but it was also a crazy throw to put it there in the first place considering the circumstances. Backhanded compliments litter this web board when it comes from some and Rodgers.

 

[gopkrs]

I sure thought he was throwing it where there might be a chance for Graham. Don't think he even thought about Williams. jmo

 

[Mondio]

I sure thought he was throwing it where there might be a chance for Graham. Don't think he even thought about Williams. jmo

I had the same thought, it's why I think the outcome was "lucky", but that pass was not. He didn't throw up a jump ball for grabs and his prayer was answered. He put it somewhere being hit that was as pretty of a ball as you'll find coming out of the hand of a QB, where only his guy could get it, or nothing.

From a lesser QB, that ball is a duck that is up for grabs.

 

[gbgary]

and putting a ball where only his guy can make a play is "throwing up prayers". It was a lucky catch and outcome of the play to a large degree...

it was and he admitted it. it wasn't a shot at him. it was a terrific play and i said so.

Please. You take swipes at AR every chance you get.... studs: Rodgers, even though he almost got Allison killed over the middle.
But...carry on.

that was humor.

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don't be such snowflakes. i love the guy and the Packers have been more than fortunate to have him. he isn't faultless though. neither is the organization. they mismanaged the club in the last six or seven years under thompson. they didn't support him the way they should have. they've done much to turn that around, and i hope the team i love gets another SB with rodgers, but i have think it's too late. his best years are behind him. that's why i was hoping he'd totally buy-in in MLF's system. it seems he's doing so more in the last 4 or 5 games with the ball control running/passing.

 

[Mondio]

Oh boy, here come the snowflake comments. and here you are with your "buy in" again, or maybe it just takes that long for everyone to get almost on the same page running a new offense. You know, like normal in this league.

I look forward to more backhanded compliments and backtracking from you in the future. Winters coming, look out for snowflakes LOL

 

[PackAttack12]

Oh boy, here come the snowflake comments. and here you are with your "buy in" again, or maybe it just takes that long for everyone to get almost on the same page running a new offense. You know, like normal in this league.

You didn't know that new offensive systems were supposed to click on all cylinders in Week 1 when the starting quarterback gets zero preseason reps? I thought everyone knew this.

 

[Mondio]

You didn't know that new offensive systems were supposed to click on all cylinders in Week 1 when the starting quarterback gets zero preseason reps? I thought everyone knew this.

In addition to being of delicate disposition and having a fragile psyche (not from Italy) I am also dumber than ****. So I was not aware, thanks for telling me, but I’m not sure I’ll remember anyway.

 

[PikeBadger]

it was and he admitted it. it wasn't a shot at him. it was a terrific play and i said so.

that was humor.

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don't be such snowflakes. i love the guy and the Packers have been more than fortunate to have him. he isn't faultless though. neither is the organization. they mismanaged the club in the last six or seven years under thompson. they didn't support him the way they should have. they've done much to turn that around, and i hope the team i love gets another SB with rodgers, but i have think it's too late. his best years are behind him. that's why i was hoping he'd totally buy-in in MLF's system. it seems he's doing so more in the last 4 or 5 games with the ball control running/passing.

Rodgers looks to me like he’s really enjoying this experience and that can only be good news for us.

 

[gbgary]

Rodgers looks to me like he’s really enjoying this experience and that can only be good news for us.

yup. i agree. but no one can say he didn't resist the entire MLF offense as a whole. it's been a mish mash of MLF's and mccarthy's offense from the get go. thankfully some of mc's offense has fallen away in the last month. next year they may be running the full MLF O. i wouldn't bet on it but who knows?

 

[gbgary]

You didn't know that new offensive systems were supposed to click on all cylinders in Week 1 when the starting quarterback gets zero preseason reps? I thought everyone knew this.

i'm not implying that at all.

 

[RRyder]

and putting a ball where only his guy can make a play is "throwing up prayers". It was a lucky catch and outcome of the play to a large degree, but it was also a crazy throw to put it there in the first place considering the circumstances. Backhanded compliments litter this web board when it comes from some and Rodgers.

Heres the disconnect. Personally it might just be a matter of you guys arguing semantics. It can be lucky and great at the same time and its definitely both in this instance. Me personally I land on the side it was more a great catch and more a lucky throw. That's not discrediting the throw imo cause while it does take some great arm talent to get it there to have a chance in that scenario there's was obviously a bit of luck with the placement. (I mean even Rodgers said it was a bit of a lucky throw)

For basketball fans we can simply make a comparison between that Rodgers throw and say the walk off game winner Kawhi had against the 76ers. Yes it was an amazing shot and took a ton of skill but at the same time that shot isnt falling 9/10 other times and as such can also be defined as lucky

 

[gbgary]

Oh boy, here come the snowflake comments.

it's humor again sir.

 

[Mondio]

i'm not implying that at all.

you didn't imply, you outright said many times the offense wasn't working because Rodgers needed to buy into MLF's scheme.

 

[Mondio]

Heres the disconnect. Personally it might just be a matter of you guys arguing semantics. It can be lucky and great at the same time and its definitely both in this instance. Me personally I land on the side it was more a great catch and more a lucky throw. That's not discrediting the throw imo cause while it does take some great arm talent to get it there to have a chance in that scenario there's was obviously a bit of luck with the placement. (I mean even Rodgers said it was a bit of a lucky throw)

For basketball fans we can simply make a comparison between that Rodgers throw and say the walk off game winner Kawhi had against the 76ers. Yes it was an amazing shot and took a ton of skill but at the same time that shot isnt falling 9/10 other times and as such can also be defined as lucky

I worded that poorly, the catch was great. I meant more along the lines that the outcome of that play was lucky.

 

[PackAttack12]

you didn't imply, you outright said many times the offense wasn't working because Rodgers needed to buy into MLF's scheme.

Yep.

 

[gbgary]

you didn't imply, you outright said many times the offense wasn't working because Rodgers needed to buy into MLF's scheme.

i said he wasn't buying-in fully. they've both acknowledge it. they've both made compromises and tweaked and adjusted and what you see now is the result. it's still a mish mash but not at the extent it was early on. there's more shotgun and spread than MLF would like but he's making progress.

 

[El Guapo]

How’s this for scheme? I loved the formation and play call. Aaron Jones and Vitale stacked on the left in an inverted wishbone over MVS, with Jamal Williams next to Rodgers. Vitale pulled right and got just enough of a block on the end to open the hole for Williams to score.

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[AmishMafia]

Okay, for those who didn't see the AR interview after the game, he stated he threw it high for Graham. He knew Williams was back there and knew he had a shot as well.

AR was falling backwards with a guy tackling him. It is still an amazing throw. It was also an amazing catch. It was an amazing play.

Rodgers as not played well through much of the first games. He as played better the last few games. I think he nor the offense as a whole has peaked just yet. I think it will continue to evolve even to the Superbowl.

 

[Mondio]

i said he wasn't buying-in fully. they've both acknowledge it. they've both made compromises and tweaked and adjusted and what you see now is the result. it's still a mish mash but not at the extent it was early on. there's more shotgun and spread than MLF would like but he's making progress.

In your mind, I'm sure they have. It's all about perspective man, most of us knew you can't just take a 10+ year vet and jam him into a new offense without a learning curve and make the offense go. He had stuff to learn, he has experience to draw from, there would be and will be mistakes and growing pains along the way.

Most of us knew you can't just take a 1st year head coach and come out week 1 with a super bowl contender. Most of us knew it would take a lot of learning on his part about his players, including his QB, their strengths, their weaknesses and how it fits into his vision. We also knew there are always compromises. What is transpiring is completely normal to most of us watching.

But to you? Rodgers needed to buy in LOL

You don't see your slant, but it's rather obvious to the rest.

 

[greengold]

How’s this for scheme? I loved the formation and play call. Aaron Jones and Vitale stacked on the left in an inverted wishbone over MVS, with Jamal Williams next to Rodgers. Vitale pulled right and got just enough of a block on the end to open the hole for Williams to score.

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Not sure if I would say he pulled... more like he was shot out of a canon. Damn, that was a F'ing great block.

 

[PackAttack12]

In your mind, I'm sure they have. It's all about perspective man, most of us knew you can't just take a 10+ year vet and jam him into a new offense without a learning curve and make the offense go. He had stuff to learn, he has experience to draw from, there would be and will be mistakes and growing pains along the way.

Most of us knew you can't just take a 1st year head coach and come out week 1 with a super bowl contender. Most of us knew it would take a lot of learning on his part about his players, including his QB, their strengths, their weaknesses and how it fits into his vision. We also knew there are always compromises. What is transpiring is completely normal to most of us watching.

But to you? Rodgers needed to buy in LOL

You don't see your slant, but it's rather obvious to the rest.

He sees it, he's just not going to acknowledge it.