Improving the Defense for 2017....How and Who?

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think the DRC story was started by an article that Over the Cap floated out there. It didn't have any basis in anything other than their own speculation that his cap hit could lead to his release. They compile lists of players who could be cut. DRC was the last player on their corner list, and even they mentioned that it's unlikely. It would actually only save 4.5M against the cap. So I think it's just filler content.

How about a DRC for Matthews trade then? LOL

 

[Dantés]

How about a DRC for Matthews trade then? LOL

Well, the one is still playing at a high level with an 8.5M cap hit and the other is fading with a 15.2M cap hit... doesn't sound like a winner.

 

[Packer Brother]

What about Pacman Jones?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Well, the one is still playing at a high level with an 8.5M cap hit and the other is fading with a 15.2M cap hit... doesn't sound like a winner.

Was said tongue in cheek, but it would sound like a winner for the Packers.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

What about Pacman Jones?

This Pacman Jones? No thanks.

http://deadspin.com/adam-pacman-jones-to-police-suck-my-****-1791537594

 

[Packer Brother]

This Pacman Jones? No thanks.

http://deadspin.com/adam-pacman-jones-to-police-suck-my-****-1791537594

Packers could sign him on the cheap. Not sure if he will be suspended or not.

 

[Dantés]

Generally, the way you land good players via cap casuality is when totally cap strapped teams are forced to cut still useful players because of their financial constraints. Right now, the three cap strapped teams for next season are KC, DAL, and NYJ. Unfortunately, the only one with a corner whose release could help the team financially is the NY. And that player is Revis, who is washed up. So I wouldn't look for help in that direction.

I think the options, in order from least likely to most, are:

-You work out a trade for Joe Haden.
-You get lucky and land Gilmore on the open market.
-You roll the dice on a potential CB1 in Trumaine Johnson.
-You add lesser veteran help, like Amukamara or Claiborne.
-You turn to the draft (which should be used in combination with any of the above regardless).

 

[rodell330]

Generally, the way you land good players via cap casuality is when totally cap strapped teams are forced to cut still useful players because of their financial constraints. Right now, the three cap strapped teams for next season are KC, DAL, and NYJ. Unfortunately, the only one with a corner whose release could help the team financially is the NY. And that player is Revis, who is washed up. So I wouldn't look for help in that direction.

I think the options, in order from least likely to most, are:

-You work out a trade for Joe Haden.
-You get lucky and land Gilmore on the open market.
-You roll the dice on a potential CB1 in Trumaine Johnson.
-You add lesser veteran help, like Amukamara or Claiborne.
-You turn to the draft (which should be used in combination with any of the above regardless).

Amukamamra would be a solid pickup...but NO to Claiborne. Hes almost guaranteed to miss 4-5 games a year. There is no room for any more oft injured players. He's already got an issue with hamstring problems. No thanks

 

[Dantés]

Amukamamra would be a solid pickup...but NO to Claiborne. Hes almost guaranteed to miss 4-5 games a year. There is no room for any more oft injured players. He's already got an issue with hamstring problems. No thanks

Yeah, I'm really not married to the idea of any of the mid-level FA corner options, I just threw out some examples. My top two choices would be Gilmore and Johnson, but after that I haven't decided on anyone that I'm particular about. But can I ask why you're good with Amukamara but down on Claiborne? Prince ain't exactly durable.

 

[rodell330]

Yeah, I'm really not married to the idea of any of the mid-level FA corner options, I just threw out some examples. My top two choices would be Gilmore and Johnson, but after that I haven't decided on anyone that I'm particular about. But can I ask why you're good with Amukamara but down on Claiborne? Prince ain't exactly durable.

Because Amakamura is the overall better player of the two that's why.

 

[Dantés]

Because Amakamura is the overall better player of the two that's why.

I would say that their most recent play has been pretty comparable. If anything, Claiborne has been playing at a higher level. That bucks their reptuations, as Claiborne took forever to get it together after being drafted, but I think it's true.

 

[thisisnate]

I apologize that you missed the sarcasm and humor in that. The team was very thin at corner btw.

9 well-reasoned posts by you to defend a sarcastic joke? I see the humor in it, but I don't for 1 second believe you were being sarcastic at the time you posted it.

 

[sdh09e44]

I actually think I saw it on one of their message boards from one of the fans. I would think their fans would know more about the state of their team and players than us. If you saw it and Giants fans were talking about it...it's probably got a lot of truth to it. My main concern is some other team that has a need for a corner like Dallas or Seattle will throw more money his way than TT who doesn't even really like free agency anyways. But the Packers need to do whatever they can to get a guy like DRC if he does become available...because Corner is right at the top in terms of NEED for the defense who stinks. If he was to go to Seattle their secondary would be scary good.

The Packers truly need to take an entirely different approach to their defense. They need to start adding and drafting guys with edge and some nasty. This has got to be the softest defense in the NFL. But then again, theyvtake after the persona of their D.C. . New blood is needed.

That would be legit if DRC became available.

But let's see, TT AND CAPERS are returning. So................................this team is screwed

 

[sdh09e44]

I can't believe this team isn't making any changes. They just made it to the NFCCG on the back of ONE player. And sure, the WRS TEs and O line played a big role. The offense carried this team in every sense of the word.

But making it that far had NOTHING to do with the defense. It lacked talent big time. Even with Sam Shields, the secondary would've still had it's bad days.

I just don't understand how this team can afford another conservative off season. We are closer to an overall rebuild on defense than we are to turning into a defense that can contend.

 

[sdh09e44]

Generally, the way you land good players via cap casuality is when totally cap strapped teams are forced to cut still useful players because of their financial constraints. Right now, the three cap strapped teams for next season are KC, DAL, and NYJ. Unfortunately, the only one with a corner whose release could help the team financially is the NY. And that player is Revis, who is washed up. So I wouldn't look for help in that direction.

I think the options, in order from least likely to most, are:

-You work out a trade for Joe Haden.
-You get lucky and land Gilmore on the open market.
-You roll the dice on a potential CB1 in Trumaine Johnson.
-You add lesser veteran help, like Amukamara or Claiborne.
-You turn to the draft (which should be used in combination with any of the above regardless).

If this team has any REAL chance at winning the superbowl next year, they have to do two of the things you listed. Sign or trade for a potential number one CB, then draft one in round 1-2. That's the only reasonable way this team can have a reliable secondary next season. I am gonna lose it if they don't bring in any type of FA help, and go and draft some random CB. (basically what happened in 2015)

 

[rodell330]

If this team has any REAL chance at winning the superbowl next year, they have to do two of the things you listed. Sign or trade for a potential number one CB, then draft one in round 1-2. That's the only reasonable way this team can have a reliable secondary next season. I am gonna lose it if they don't bring in any type of FA help, and go and draft some random CB. (basically what happened in 2015)

Well Be ready to lose it ...along with the majority.

 

[rodell330]

I would say that their most recent play has been pretty comparable. If anything, Claiborne has been playing at a higher level. That bucks their reptuations, as Claiborne took forever to get it together after being drafted, but I think it's true.

He's always hurt tho. More than Amakumara . Cowboys fans want him gone that I know for sure.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Focus doesn't just need to be on CB, Packers pass rush next season could be awful; Matthews is on the decline and might move to ILB, Perry will probably be overpaid and go back to not playing through injury and there's really not much else on this team to provide a pass rush. Couple a bad secondary with a bad pass rush and that's a recipe for a terrible team.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

It's way too early to write Randall off, just like it was with Davante Adams last season.

Agree. But I do not feel comfortable banking on him and rollins becoming something they weren't at the end of this year. I say we plan for the worst, and if these guys come back strong, we dominate...

I have a long drawn out defensive scheme/strategy, that says the 3-4 starts with a NT that forces the double team and still makes plays... that kind of guy causes a ripple effect, and gives the defense a 1 man advantage... That one man advantage is used in the pass rush. But the great equalizer if a great opposing WR. A great WR will force a double team, and again still beat it sometimes... So the second most important part of a 3-4 IMO, is a shut down corner who can equalize their equalizer...Its obviously more complicated than that, but the logic from years back still stands strong... This year we didn't have the CB to stop the bleeding. And we didn't have the centerpiece NT to cause the ripple effect. Bad defense is a result.

 

[rodell330]

Focus doesn't just need to be on CB, Packers pass rush next season could be awful; Matthews is on the decline and might move to ILB, Perry will probably be overpaid and go back to not playing through injury and there's really not much else on this team to provide a pass rush. Couple a bad secondary with a bad pass rush and that's a recipe for a terrible team.

Unfortunately we've got use to watching bad defense.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

But making it that far had NOTHING to do with the defense. It lacked talent big time. Even with Sam Shields, the secondary would've still had it's bad days.

The cornerback position was a perceived strength entering this season and there's no doubt the group would have performed on a better level if Shields had stayed healthy.

Thompson should have upgraded the position once it became clear Shields was done and the young cornerbacks struggled without him.

 

[Poppa San]

Thompson should have upgraded the position once it became clear Shields was done and the young cornerbacks struggled without him.

Do you have this at the ready in your clipboard? You've been pasting this same line in almost every post about the defense for the past two months.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Do you have this at the ready in your clipboard? You've been pasting this same line in almost every post about the defense for the past two months.

Well, it´s stating the obvious but Thompson and some posters around here still haven´t grasped that would have been the way to go. Therefore you most likely will have to live with me still posting it from time to time going forward.

 

[C-Lee]

I think Captain is a robot.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

I think Captain is a robot.

No, he`s definitely not a robot. Persistent, but not a robot.