Improving the Defense for 2017....How and Who?

[GreenBaySlacker]

Benched by Jacksonville, and now we want him? I say no. Get someone in here that can actually defend a pass.

House was one of my all time favorite tt draft picks. Mainly because he played and looked like one of my all time favorite packer. Al Harris....
The bummer part was his physical play left him injured quite a bit. Then he had a good year right in time for contract time.
I dont know what happened in jax. Dont care. I do know house is a baller. If we can get him on an affordable deal, i would be stoked!!!
He was making 7 in jax? What would jax want for him? They gonna cut him and let tt negotiate a new deal

 

[Packer Brother]

Gary Ellerson suggested TT go after Revis on the cheap.

 

[Pkrjones]

Gary Ellerson suggested TT go after Revis on the cheap.

NOoooooooo!! (IMHO)

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Did revis suck that bad, or did he just not live up to the hype for the perpetually unhappy jets fans?

If we can get him for around 10, i would be willing to call him the #1cb.

Then perry, lacy, and i want big daddy Wilfork to come play part time on the cheap.

 

[Packer Brother]

Did revis suck that bad, or did he just not live up to the hype for the perpetually unhappy jets fans?

If we can get him for around 10, i would be willing to call him the #1cb.

Then perry, lacy, and i want big daddy Wilfork to come play part time on the cheap.

If we got Hightower....that would be amazing.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

If we got Hightower....that would be amazing.

Hightower is a stud. But for the first time in years, i am comfortable and somewhat optimistic about the 3 young ilbs we already have...

I personally want big time destructive dlinemen and a stud cb

 

[Dantés]

Did revis suck that bad, or did he just not live up to the hype for the perpetually unhappy jets fans?

If we can get him for around 10, i would be willing to call him the #1cb.

Then perry, lacy, and i want big daddy Wilfork to come play part time on the cheap.

From what I saw, yeah... he sucked that bad.

 

[sdh09e44]

I have mentioned Revis before too. But I was a little off thinking he could be had for around 6 or 7. He wouldn't be that cheap and around 10 is more right, which in that case I would rather them spend that or 1-2 mil more for Gilmore or Johnson ( I don't think Houston will let go of Bouye)

But not to be pessimistic, I'm just already getting ready for them to try and find " the next gilmore/johnson/bouye". That's the mentality in Green Bay. They time and time again believe trying to find the next breakout player and paying him nothing is a better path than paying big money to someone they didn't find or develop.

Who knows what will happen and I will hold out hope something big happens, but it's a bummer reading all the packers writers basically say the same thing of offseaons past. Just so down on using FA and saying things like trying to find " the next guy"

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Just finished reading an article by Micheal Rodney at his site www.packersnotes.com.
He makes the case that Ted's big move to improve the secondary will be......
bring back Davon House. Seems House, who was benched this season in Jacksonville, is a good candidate to be released . Rodney says hmmmm..... one of 'my guys', cheap, yeah, there's your 'big' move.

House struggled mightily last season and hopefully isn't the one Thompson targets to address the cornerback position.

Gary Ellerson suggested TT go after Revis on the cheap.

It seems that age has caught up to Revis. Therefore the Packers should target another CB.

 

[Pkrjones]

In addition to releasing CM3 to save cap space I wouldn't mind seeing Perry re-signed for 4 yr/$33Mil. Doubt TT will fight for him but Melvin Ingram (SD) would be a great addition to CM3's vacant spot. OLB salaries (cap?) in '16 (CM3 & Peppers) was over $24Mil, so would hope Perry/Ingram's combined $17-18Mil would be "do-able".

Posted in another thread the #1 CB addition of Stephon Gilmore or Amukamara would be nice, but both would be in the 4yr/$40+Mil range which might be too steep for TT to consider.

Definitely need more pass rush/pressure AND a #1 CB... the draft won't be able to immediately supply those, so TT needs to hit FA, IMHO.

 

[bigbubbatd]

Cb - bouye, Gilmore or Prince. It will cost money but use the money that had been allocated to Shields

Olb - resign Perry, restructure or cut clay. If cut use his money on a guy like Ingram who was mentioned above.

We could have the money for those things even with resigning cook, Hyde and Lang.

Saw an article today that said after resigning Perry Cook Hyde and Lang and rookies the Packers would have close to 15 million. If the restructure clay they can get a very good corner. If they cut him you could have over 20 million for cb and Olb. Could do some real good

 

[PackerDNA]

Hightower is a stud. But for the first time in years, i am comfortable and somewhat optimistic about the 3 young ilbs we already have...

I personally want big time destructive dlinemen and a stud cb

We don't have an ILB that could carry Hightower's jock.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

We don't have an ILB that could carry Hightower's jock.

While that's absolutely true none of the Packers inside linebacker will carry a cap hit even close to what Hightower will make next season.

 

[PackerDNA]

While that's absolutely true none of the Packers inside linebacker will carry a cap hit even close to what Hightower will make next season.

Good players cost money. Stop eating up cap and roster space with mediocrities like Barclay, Thomas, Gunter, Jones, Barclay, R.Rodgers, and on and on.
You're gonna pay anyways; might as well give it to good players.

 

[Dantés]

The Eagles are reportedly shopping Mychal Kendricks. He's a 26 year old ILB who is under contract through 2019. His cap hits over the next three seasons will be 6.6, 7.6, and 8.6. He was an excellent player in an attacking 3-4 front, but Schwartz's move to a 4-3 has not worked out for him. He would be an upgrade at MIKE for the Packers. He might be a good option to target, especially if his higher cap hit (i.e. he isn't on a rookie deal any more) pushes the price tag down.

Kendricks isn't as good as Hightower, but he isn't a massive downgrade either and his cap hit could be anywhere from 4-6M less.

 

[Packer Brother]

Can CM 3 get on the Von Miller type level? We shall see.

 

[PackerDNA]

Can CM 3 get on the Von Miller type level? We shall see.

Ahhh.....no.

 

[JLW_51]

Just my thoughts on what they should do in the first round of the draft to improve their roster, http://lastwordonprofootball.com/2017/02/10/green-bay-packers-nfl-draft-first-target-pass-rusher/

 

[Mondio]

Ahhh.....no.

Agree, I think those days are in the past

 

[Dantés]

Can CM 3 get on the Von Miller type level? We shall see.

Generally guys don't reach new heights in their 30's in the midst of a steady decline.

 

[bigbubbatd]

I just dont why people are talking about getting an ilb when our cbs were far worse than our ilbs last year. Our ilb weren't great but cbs were dreadful. Heck our olbs are in worse shape than ilb right now by a decent margin

 

[Dantés]

I just dont why people are talking about getting an ilb when our cbs were far worse than our ilbs last year. Our ilb weren't great but cbs were dreadful. Heck our olbs are in worse shape than ilb right now by a decent margin

Ok, so even considering that CB and OLB are the most pressing needs, are we not allowed to bring up the names of other good players at other positions?

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Good players cost money. Stop eating up cap and roster space with mediocrities like Barclay, Thomas, Gunter, Jones, Barclay, R.Rodgers, and on and on.
You're gonna pay anyways; might as well give it to good players.

You continue to ignore the league's salary cap. Because of it the Packers aren't able to sign countless high price free agents but have to fill out the bottom of the roster with players like you mentioned.

The Eagles are reportedly shopping Mychal Kendricks. He's a 26 year old ILB who is under contract through 2019. His cap hits over the next three seasons will be 6.6, 7.6, and 8.6. He was an excellent player in an attacking 3-4 front, but Schwartz's move to a 4-3 has not worked out for him. He would be an upgrade at MIKE for the Packers. He might be a good option to target, especially if his higher cap hit (i.e. he isn't on a rookie deal any more) pushes the price tag down.

Kendricks isn't as good as Hightower, but he isn't a massive downgrade either and his cap hit could be anywhere from 4-6M less.

Kendricks never performed up to his draft status and in my opinion wouldn't present a major upgrade over the inside linebackers currently on the roster.

The Packers should have drafted his brother last season instead of Randall though.

 

[Dantés]

You continue to ignore the league's salary cap. Because of it the Packers aren't able to sign countless high price free agents but have to fill out the bottom of the roster with players like you mentioned.



Kendricks never performed up to his draft status and in my opinion wouldn't present a major upgrade over the inside linebackers currently on the roster.

The Packers should have drafted his brother last season instead of Randall though.

The 2016 version of Kendricks isn't an upgrade over what we have, but at his best as a 3-4 ILB under Billy Davis he was way better than anything we currently have (assuming Ryan doesn't take a huge leap forward). He has elite speed for the position to play sideline to sideline. And he's a missile when it comes to shooting gaps and blitzing the QB. The guy created negative plays. He was one of the most effective blitzers in the league before he was converted to 4-3 WILL. His cover skills also used to be pretty serviceable.

In trading for him, you'd be rolling the dice that he returns to form in a defense that's a better fit for him. But that risk and the contract could mean that the trade compensation is pretty cheap. I'm not married to the idea, but I think it has potential. People often lament that the Packers don't take advantage of the trade market like the Patriots. This feels like that kind of move-- pick up a young, underperforming player who you know you can put back into position to succeed. The risk is that you'd be financially obligated to keep him for at least two years if he doesn't work out. But once 2019 rolls around, he can be released without much dead money.

 

[bigbubbatd]

Ok, so even considering that CB and OLB are the most pressing needs, are we not allowed to bring up the names of other good players at other positions?

Well you can do what you want but I can still think the moves don't make sense. We have 3 young ilb who showed either a good amount of improvement (Ryan and thomas) or moments where they definitely belonged (Martinez). Why spend a lot on Hightower or a decent amount on a somewhat declining player like Kendricks when that money could be much better used at two other positions. Ryan Thomas and Martinez all performed better than our three returning cbs. And at Olb right now all we have is an aging, Oft-injured and overpriced Matthews and Fakrell.