Improving the Defense for 2017....How and Who?

[Half Empty]

Maybe that was because the defenders often didn't get close enough to even try a tackle, much less miss one?

 

[scotscheese]

the pack should appoint a rugby coach to coach on tackling

 

[Deleted member 6794]

thats all fair enough cap, but in the games I've watched this season the amount of long yardage gains and 1st down gains that could have been prevented still need working on.

i'm not saying tackling costs us in any particular game or in the playoffs, just IMO we need to improve on it

I absolutely agree the defense didn´t perform at a decent level this season but the numbers support the impression that tackling wasn´t a major issue in 2016.

 

[rodell330]

I absolutely agree the defense didn´t perform at a decent level this season but the numbers support the impression that tackling wasn´t a major issue in 2016.

So what's that say about a team who gave up nearly 30 points a game..in all their games lost. Because I can tell you for sure that you aren't a good tackling team when you do that.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

So what's that say about a team who gave up nearly 30 points a game..in all their games lost. Because I can tell you for sure that you aren't a good tackling team when you do that.

I guess the secondary allowing a ton of uncontested completions was the main reason for the defense struggling.

 

[Gabe]

Keep: most of defense this year except for jones, peppers, gunter and hyde

 

[Half Empty]

Unfortunately, I think management agrees with you, perhaps even retaining a couple of those you'd release.

 

[rodell330]

I guess the secondary allowing a ton of uncontested completions was the main reason for the defense struggling.

Sad isn't it?

 

[rodell330]

Keep: most of defense this year except for jones, peppers, gunter and hyde

They need to keep Hyde. He's the one true bright spot at corner even tho he's average at best. Plus he can play all 4 spots in the secondary and he's a solid return guy. The others probably gone...add Perry to that list as I see him getting a bunch of money to go play somewhere else...warmer.

 

[sdh09e44]

I can't talk much about personel changes, as apart from the packers I don't really follow the nfl/college etc..

but one thing I keep noticing over and over again is our inability to tackle, time after time I see our secondary just diving at opposition players legs hoping to knock them down, which players can quite easily jump over or just bounce off. our D seem to be unable to wrap up rb's/wr's and bring them down which brings more yardage and 1st downs to our opponents. This in my eyes is a coaching issue, and needs urgently addressed

We have done a pretty poor job of drafting and playing complete CBs. Hayward Rollins Randall Gunter etc are all overall average CBs. Can probably say something similar about our ILBs for the last 5 years now too

 

[PackerFanLV]

Watt missed a game for the first time during his NFL career this season, I hardly would call him injury prone.

he has a bad back so bad that they put him on IR

 

[PackerFanLV]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but, come on, now you're just digging in your heels. JJ played in all 16 games every year until 2016. Miller's contract, although longer term, would cost the obtaining team about the same as the Pack is scheduled to pay Matthews next year.

I dont think Clay is worth a 1st round neither

 

[Dantés]

We have done a pretty poor job of drafting and playing complete CBs. Hayward Rollins Randall Gunter etc are all overall average CBs. Can probably say something similar about our ILBs for the last 5 years now too

To be fair, Hayward was a middling corner until he signed with another team. Now he's literally an all-pro. That might be a red flag as to the development of talent on the defensive side of the ball.

 

[Half Empty]

I dont think Clay is worth a 1st round neither

That's open for debate, but I'll give that one to you. But to your previous point, JJ Watt and Von Miller not being worth a 1st round choice is just laughable.

 

[PikeBadger]

I dont think Clay is worth a 1st round neither

I think most of the GM's that would do that for us have been fired. I guess you never know when stupid and desperate rears it's head though. It would be sweet to get that offer.

 

[PackerFanLV]

That's open for debate, but I'll that one to you. But to your previous point, JJ Watt and Von Miller not being worth a 1st round choice is just laughable.

We are not talking about what jj did in the past, his present he went on IR for having a bad back I wouldnt give up my 1st round for JJ, Von miller i can see getting the 1st round maybe but his salary and hes been in the league going on 7 years already. Far from laughable to me.

 

[Half Empty]

OK, you win. Would/will be interesting to see what the rest of the forum thinks, though.

 

[Poppa San]

I picked Miller and Watt out of the air. Glad i didn't write Odell, Leveon Bell, Zeke Eliot, or Julio who all crossed my mind at the time.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Keep: most of defense this year except for jones, peppers, gunter and hyde

Gunter is fine as a backup cornerback but he shouldn't have to cover #1 receivers. I would e fine with re-signing Hyde for depth as well.

he has a bad back so bad that they put him on IR

Once again, Watt hadn't missed a single game during his career before this season. I don't believe the back injury will be an issue for him going forward.

To be fair, Hayward was a middling corner until he signed with another team. Now he's literally an all-pro. That might be a red flag as to the development of talent on the defensive side of the ball.

To be fair Hayward is way better suited to play in the Chargers zone scheme compared to what Capers predominantly likes to run.

 

[Dantés]

Gunter is fine as a backup cornerback but he shouldn't have to cover #1 receivers. I would e fine with re-signing Hyde for depth as well.



Once again, Watt hadn't missed a single game during his career before this season. I don't believe the back injury will be an issue for him going forward.



To be fair Hayward is way better suited to play in the Chargers zone scheme compared to what Capers predominantly likes to run.

The Chargers didn't run a zone scheme under Pagano.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

The Chargers didn't run a zone scheme under Pagano.

I didn't watch any San Diego games this season but according to McGinn the Chargers primarily ran a zone scheme this season.

 

[brandon2348]

People keep bringing up Hayward but what people gotta remember is he was hurt most of the time he played in Green Bay. He lacked elite speed to play outside in Capers system and was best used in the slot. He obviously could of been used last year but there is more to it then just keeping him.

I think its great to see what Hayward has done in San Diego and im happy for him but if you have Shields and supposedly two emerging young guys why pay Hayward big money when at the time he had availability concerns and was seen as a slot corner in system?

The fact is some guys you lose and do better in a new surrounding or a new system. You cant just take Haywards success in San Diego and automatically assume that same success would of happened if he was still in Green Bay.

Jarred Cook was considred a bum most of his career and now a season later in Green Bay and he is looked at as a pretty damn good player. The problem on defense cuts deeper then Casey Hayward.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

People keep bringing up Hayward but what people gotta remember is he was hurt most of the time he played in Green Bay. He lacked elite speed to play outside in Capers system and was best used in the slot. He obviously could of been used last year but there is more to it then just keeping him.

I think its great to see what Hayward has done in San Diego and im happy for him but if you have Shields and supposedly two emerging young guys why pay Hayward big money when at the time he had availability concerns and was seen as a slot corner in system?

The fact is some guys you lose and do better in a new surrounding or a new system. You cant just take Haywards success in San Diego and automatically assume that same success would of happened if he was still in Green Bay.

I'm quite sure in hindsight Hayward would have presented an upgrade over the cornerbacks that ended up playing most of the defensive snaps for the Packers last year.

Thompson made the right move to let him walk away in free agency though as the secondary was a perceived strength entering the 2016 season.

 

[brandon2348]

I'm quite sure in hindsight Hayward would have presented an upgrade over the cornerbacks that ended up playing most of the defensive snaps for the Packers last year.

I stated that in my post.

 

[Dantés]

I didn't watch any San Diego games this season but according to McGinn the Chargers primarily ran a zone scheme this season.

Like almost any team, they incorporated some zone concepts, but it would be incorrect to say that they that was their primary coverage. Pagano's defense uses a lot of off man and press man coverage.