Gronk in Fantasy leagues

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I'm gonna miss pockinp him with my 1st pick every year and pretty much winning every year largely bc of him since no other TE, beside maybe Kelce or Graham, really every came close to his consistency and Production at TE

Just shows the impact of a good TE
 

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I'm gonna miss pockinp him with my 1st pick every year and pretty much winning every year largely bc of him since no other TE, beside maybe Kelce or Graham, really every came close to his consistency and Production at TE

Just shows the impact of a good TE
Seems the best GB teams always had a stud TE. I’m still mad they let Cook get away. I don’t have faith in Graham so hope they can nab Hockenson or Fant.
 

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Seems the best GB teams always had a stud TE. I’m still mad they let Cook get away. I don’t have faith in Graham so hope they can nab Hockenson or Fant.
Cook was penny pinching by Ted. He thought he could have a string on veteran TE on 1 year contract easily.
 

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Cook was penny pinching by Ted. He thought he could have a string on veteran TE on 1 year contract easily.
That's seriously your interpretation? The other is Cook was asking for more than anybody would give him. He overplayed his hand and GB called his bluff. Unfortunately for us they gave that quitter Cooks contract offer instead and he ended up signing for less with Oakland by the tune of about 3 million less per year.

The reason Cook wasn't in GB had very little to do with penny pinching my Ted.
 

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I'm gonna miss pockinp him with my 1st pick every year and pretty much winning every year largely bc of him since no other TE, beside maybe Kelce or Graham, really every came close to his consistency and Production at TE

Just shows the impact of a good TE

If you took Gronkowski with your first pick the past three years I have a hard time believing you won your league. Maybe in 2017 I could buy it but more likely if you did win it it wasn't because you drafted Rob Gronkowski it was because you got pretty lucky with the rest of your draft.

500-700 yds and 3 TDs with your first opick isn't winning you anything.
 

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If you took Gronkowski with your first pick the past three years I have a hard time believing you won your league. Maybe in 2017 I could buy it but more likely if you did win it it wasn't because you drafted Rob Gronkowski it was because you got pretty lucky with the rest of your draft.

500-700 yds and 3 TDs with your first opick isn't winning you anything.

Agreed. I won my competitive league with Engram this year and Fiedorowicz in 2016.

It's best to get your wr and rb starters sorted out first because on average they'll produce more than even a top end TE.
 
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Seems the best GB teams always had a stud TE. I’m still mad they let Cook get away. I don’t have faith in Graham so hope they can nab Hockenson or Fant.

The Packers never had a stud tight end. They even won the Super Bowl in 2010 with Quarless, Donald Lee and Crabtree at tight end after Finley was lost for the season after five games.
 

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Agreed. I won my competitive league with Engram this year and Fiedorowicz in 2016.

It's best to get your wr and rb starters sorted out first because on average they'll produce more than even a top end TE.

In general I agree but that line of thinking seems to always have me scrambling at TE. I can't think of the last time I went through the season starting less than at least 4 TEs at some point and that doesn't even include the byes. My guys either flat out sucked and there was no one left to pick up or they got hurt all the time.

I never draft a backup for my TE and I'm still not going to pick a TE early enough to get one of the elites but in my keeper league I may grab two of the rookies and hope one takes off right away this season. I know its not a common occurrence but I'm guessing at least the top 5 TEs will be kept so I'll take a chance on a rookie outperforming anyone lower than that.
 

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The Packers never had a stud tight end. They even won the Super Bowl in 2010 with Quarless, Donald Lee and Crabtree at tight end after Finley was lost for the season after five games.

The last really good TE I can recall, and I wouldn't call him a stud was Chmura, and before that Paul Coffman.
 
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Well ....it wasn't JUST Gronk... But he was a BIG REASON I won.

Typically, I'll get "lucky" with a rookie runningback.

I had:

Howard
Hunt
Barkley

In back to back to back years as my RB1...so... kind of lucky

I actually haven't gone with AR for awhile now at QB.

I typically will get Brady or Brees... and then probably Phillip Rivers or Bortles(when he had 30 something TDs I had him lol)

But at TE, I typically just dominate my leagues b/c no one else really comes close besides maybe Kelce
 

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Well ....it wasn't JUST Gronk... But he was a BIG REASON I won.

Typically, I'll get "lucky" with a rookie runningback.

I had:

Howard
Hunt
Barkley

In back to back to back years as my RB1...so... kind of lucky

I actually haven't gone with AR for awhile now at QB.

I typically will get Brady or Brees... and then probably Phillip Rivers or Bortles(when he had 30 something TDs I had him lol)

But at TE, I typically just dominate my leagues b/c no one else really comes close besides maybe Kelce

And Ertz.

You got lucky because your league is sleeping. In most mocks Hunt and Barkley went in the first. Gronk went late 2nd or early 3rd in a lot of draft as well. I probably did about 50 mock drafts in anticipation of my competitive league last year. Last year, however, Gronk was a pretty big bust. If you bust on a TE that high there's ramifications for your whole season. Also, it strengthens the roster of every other team when you select a non-RB/WR that early in a draft. WITHOUT FAIL there is always a team that will take a dominant defense or kicker around pick 7... I always grin when that happens. Look at the Jags last year, they sucked for fantasy purposes. Zuerlein as well was selected quite high, he did well, but you could have had Gould for practically nothing.

I took Burton in the 8th, ended up ditching him for Njoku and eventually Engram (who got me 10 standard points in the ship matchup) and won the championship match on the back of strong WR performances (adams and nuk). I also had Mayfield go HAM in the final game.
 
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I'm saying I picked Hunt in his ROOKIE year
Howard in his ROOKIE year
 

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The Packers never had a stud tight end. They even won the Super Bowl in 2010 with Quarless, Donald Lee and Crabtree at tight end after Finley was lost for the season after five games.
The '96 Super Bowl team had a nice pair of TEs with Chmura and Keith Jackson.
 
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The last really good TE I can recall, and I wouldn't call him a stud was Chmura, and before that Paul Coffman.

Finley was extremely talented but didn't perform up to expectations.

Well ....it wasn't JUST Gronk... But he was a BIG REASON I won.

But at TE, I typically just dominate my leagues b/c no one else really comes close besides maybe Kelce

Gronkowski was dominant in 2017 but only ranked 11th in 2018 and 14th '16 in fantasy leagues using standard scoring among tight ends.

The '96 Super Bowl team had a nice pair of TEs with Chmura and Keith Jackson.

There's no doubt about that but none of them was a stud tight end.
 

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That's seriously your interpretation? The other is Cook was asking for more than anybody would give him. He overplayed his hand and GB called his bluff. Unfortunately for us they gave that quitter Cooks contract offer instead and he ended up signing for less with Oakland by the tune of about 3 million less per year.

The reason Cook wasn't in GB had very little to do with penny pinching my Ted.

He signed a 2yr 10m contract with Raiders. And then a 2yr 15m contract with Saints. We weren't even offering him half of market value.

And now we have Graham at 3y 30m deal whereas we could have gotten a lot more productive years had we done proper negotiation with Cook for a lot cheaper.

And Cook made it clear that he never turned down a contract from us. I doubt we even negotiated properly once we signed Bennett.
 

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Finley was extremely talented but didn't perform up to expectations.

I think I had that verbatim in my post originally as I anticipated someone...heck, who am I kidding, I expected you to bring up Finley, but I took it out for some reason.

The '96 Super Bowl team had a nice pair of TEs with Chmura and Keith Jackson.

Chmura was very good but certainly not a stud and Jackson was past his prime. A very good combo to be sure but not anything to write home about.
 
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And Cook made it clear that he never turned down a contract from us. I doubt we even negotiated properly once we signed Bennett.
The Packers preferred Bennett over Cook. Bennett was signed about a week prior to Cook signing with Oakland. It didn't have anything to do with being cheap as others claimed above. Bennett signed for more with the Packers than Cook signed with Oakland.
 

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The Packers never had a stud tight end. They even won the Super Bowl in 2010 with Quarless, Donald Lee and Crabtree at tight end after Finley was lost for the season after five games.

Keith Jackson provided elite production his lone year with GB. 40 receptions, 505 yds, 10 TDs, Pro Bowl and Super Bowl win. Not bad for the 1990's.
 

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The Packers preferred Bennett over Cook. Bennett was signed about a week prior to Cook signing with Oakland. It didn't have anything to do with being cheap as others claimed above. Bennett signed for more with the Packers than Cook signed with Oakland.
Cook at least deserved an offer.
Agreed. Esp after that catch. I can't believe TT had no intention of retaining him.
 

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He signed a 2yr 10m contract with Raiders. And then a 2yr 15m contract with Saints. We weren't even offering him half of market value.

And now we have Graham at 3y 30m deal whereas we could have gotten a lot more productive years had we done proper negotiation with Cook for a lot cheaper.

And Cook made it clear that he never turned down a contract from us. I doubt we even negotiated properly once we signed Bennett.
You don’t know what was offered and neither do I. The only person saying he didn’t turn something down was Cook. There were other reports that he wasn’t accepting offers either.

There was also a report the Packers told Bennett they preferred to sign their own guys and were focused on Cook. When it became apparent Cool wasn’t going to sign the signed Bennett. And not cheaply, so drop the cheap bit, it wasn’t the case at all.

I really, really doubt the Packers told Bennet, we’re not going to offer you a contract because we’re interested in Cook and risk losing him to someone else. Only to try and lowball cook with what you presume was a 2 million dollar contract? And then turn around and give 7 million to Bennett.

It makes no sense at all.
 
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Cook and Bennett were always too inconsistent even when younger

That's why guys like
Gronk
Kelce(when healthy)
Olsen
Ertz
Heath Miller

Are what we should go after, like Hockensen imho

It's hard to find another Antonio Gates type and that's why he's a HOFer and a once in a generation type
 

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If you took Gronkowski with your first pick the past three years I have a hard time believing you won your league. Maybe in 2017 I could buy it but more likely if you did win it it wasn't because you drafted Rob Gronkowski it was because you got pretty lucky with the rest of your draft.

500-700 yds and 3 TDs with your first opick isn't winning you anything.
I had Gronk last year, he was terrible!!
 
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Keith Jackson provided elite production his lone year with GB. 40 receptions, 505 yds, 10 TDs, Pro Bowl and Super Bowl win. Not bad for the 1990's.

Jackson had a decent season in 1996 but was ranked 11th in receptions and 7th in yards among tight ends that year. Hardly elite in my opinion.

To be fair, his 10 touchdowns were tied for the league lead at the position.
 

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That's seriously your interpretation? The other is Cook was asking for more than anybody would give him. He overplayed his hand and GB called his bluff. Unfortunately for us they gave that quitter Cooks contract offer instead and he ended up signing for less with Oakland by the tune of about 3 million less per year.

The reason Cook wasn't in GB had very little to do with penny pinching my Ted.
Well we’ll see how he does with Brees now. I would have dumped Lewis and brought him back. Do you know what the Saints gave him?
 
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