Free Agent Signings for Packers or Elsewhere...

[Deleted member 6794]

People will point to Barwin's numbers being "down" last year, but the Eagles switched to a 4-3 and Barwin is better suited to play in a 3-4. There was even talk of trading for Barwin, now he is "free" and no loss of a compensatory pick, as well as being able to negotiate a new contract with him.

Get Busy TT.

http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2...ase-or-trade-pass-rush-3-4-outside-linebacker

Barwin already struggled still playing in a 3-4 defense in 2015. I would prefer the Packers to pass on him.

Will be interesting for sure. From a fans view it's a no brainer, a #1 CB is needed. But something TT said during an interview before the combine made me step back and think that TT believes that the poor CB play was more due to injuries than talent. If that is his and the coaching staffs belief, than TT may very well do nothing.

It would be a terrible mistake to believe the cornersbacks struggled solely because of injuries. None of the players at the position currently on the roster have shown to be capable of covering opposing top receivers or even perform at a decent level without a veteran #1 playing alongside them.

Are you kidding? I'd be ecstatic if we signed both Prince and House. That would definitely beef up the secondary. Add another pass rusher in the draft with a corner and possibly a DL, we're set.

House and Amukamara would most likely improve the secondary but there's no reason to get ecstatic about any of them.

 

[Mondio]

From the sounds of it, you may be in TT's mindset on this. As a fan, it would be a big leap of faith to trust that kind of mindset though, after watching those CB's last season.

But I got to watch them their rookie seasons too, and the difference was fairly obvious. It is a leap of faith, for a fan, a coach, a GM. you have to trust what you see or you'll never go anywhere 2nd guessing everytime something doesn't go perfectly. Because life is never perfect. Doesn't matter if you're a GM of the GB packers or a maintenance man at Kimberly Clark or anything else. If you're always blowing in the breeze you'll likely find yourself always in places you don't want to be and wonder how you got there.

Maybe these 2 end up garbage and out of the league, but I don't think they will. If Randall doesn't accept the coaching he may, but physically I think both guys will be just fine going forward. That's not to say I don't think we need to bring in more competition because I do. I'd rather Lang and cook be brought back than lose both of them and bring in a big name FA DB. but if they're not, my thinking changes. and if none of that happens, we can still be fixed. Lots of decisions to be made. guys can come from all over, they just have to be the right decisions

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

Barwin already struggled still playing in a 3-4 defense in 2015. I would prefer the Packers to pass on him.



It would be a terrible mistake to believe the cornersbacks struggled solely because of injuries. None of the players at the position currently on the roster have shown to be capable of covering opposing top receivers or even perform at a decent level without a veteran #1 playing alongside them.



House and Amukamara would most likely improve the secondary but there's no reason to get ecstatic about any of them.

Any improvement to our secondary is something to get excited about.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Any improvement to our secondary is something to get excited about.

Unfortunately I believe that the Packers absolutely have to sign a #1 cornerback otherwise the improvement at the position would only be marginal.

 

[bigbubbatd]

Unfortunately I believe that the Packers absolutely have to sign a #1 cornerback otherwise the improvement at the position would only be marginal.

Who is there that a number 1 in your mind? Bouye seems off the table

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Barwin already struggled still playing in a 3-4 defense in 2015. I would prefer the Packers to pass on him.

I'm asking you, because I don't really know the answer, define "struggle". Also, compare that one year to his full career as well as other players at that price level. I look at the current group, even if Perry is signed and wonder how Barwin, at the right price, wouldn't be an improvement over what we currently have? The position is sorely lacking depth and production, signing Barwin would improve that IMO. Obviously, if the plan is to sign Perry, hope Clay improves and use a high draft pick on OLB, than maybe Barwin is a luxury signing.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Who is there that a number 1 in your mind? Bouye seems off the table

Bouye might be a risky signing but don't know why he should be off the table.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I'm asking you, because I don't really know the answer, define "struggle". Also, compare that one year to his full career as well as other players at that price level. I look at the current group, even if Perry is signed and wonder how Barwin, at the right price, wouldn't be an improvement over what we currently have? The position is sorely lacking depth and production, signing Barwin would improve that IMO. Obviously, if the plan is to sign Perry, hope Clay improves and use a high draft pick on OLB, than maybe Barwin is a luxury signing.

I don't have the time to watch every single game in depth, therefore I have to rely on websites prociding information. PFF graded Barwin above average in 2014 (78.5) but according to them he declined significantly over the past two years (50.8 and 42.1 respectively).

 

[Dantés]

8.5M for Bitonio is a good sign for keeping Lang. He should slot in below that.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't have the time to watch every single game in depth, therefore I have to rely on websites prociding information. PFF graded Barwin above average in 2014 (78.5) but according to them he declined significantly over the past two years (50.8 and 42.1 respectively).

I get his struggles last year (only 5 sacks) in Philadelphia when they switched from a 3-4 to a 4-3 and the team itself wasn't very good. Barwin has played his best as a 3-4 OLB.

Overall, he has had a pretty solid career and at the age of 30, I think he might be the kind of solid veteran you bring in for the very same reason a guy like Peppers was brought in, leadership, depth and the ability to get to the passer. Barwin was a well liked teammate, a strong locker room presence and very active in the Philadelphia community. My kind of vet player.

 

[bigbubbatd]

Bouye might be a risky signing but don't know why he should be off the table.

I meant because it sounds like the titans are signing him

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I get his struggles last year (only 5 sacks) in Philadelphia when they switched from a 3-4 to a 4-3 and the team itself wasn't very good. Barwin has played his best as a 3-4 OLB.

Barwin had only seven sacks playing in a 3-4 defense in 2015 after getting 14.5 three seasons ago.

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

Barwin had only seven sacks playing in a 3-4 defense in 2015 after getting 14.5 three seasons ago.

So just as many as Perry?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Barwin had only seven sacks playing in a 3-4 defense in 2015 after getting 14.5 three seasons ago.

2 more than Clay last year and 1/2 sack less than Julius. Again, at the right price, I would take that. Now if he was still at the 14.5 sack/year mark, we wouldn't be talking about him, he would be way overpriced.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

So just as many as Perry?

Perry had 11 sacks last season.

 

[ThePerfectBeard]

Perry had 11 sacks last season.

You're right, I was thinking how Perry didn't have more than 7 in a single season besides last year. Connor is still worth a look being 4 short in a bad year. He's not going to demand a lot of money and would add much needed depth to our pass rush incase, god forbid, Perry gets hurt again.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Perry had 11 sacks last season.

Which almost doubled his total for the previous 4 seasons. If the Packers do resign Perry, we can only hope 2016 wasn't an anomaly.

 

[Pkrjones]

I don't have the time to watch every single game in depth, therefore I have to rely on websites prociding information. PFF graded Barwin above average in 2014 (78.5) but according to them he declined significantly over the past two years (50.8 and 42.1 respectively).

I may be wrong but I believe Barwin excelled when he played on the left side (over the RT). 2015 they moved him to the right side of the DL (over the LT) and his stats dropped while Brandon Graham took over against the RT's and excelled.
http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelph...pens-about-declining-production-future-eagles

With Perry signed he'll be on the right side (over the LT) and Barwin could move back to the left side (over the RT) where CM3 had been in '16. Sign Barwin after he's cut for 3yr/$18Mil (with $8Mil salary 3rd year) and cut CM3 to save $11Mil.

Fackrell, Reggie Gilbert and a couple of draft picks/UDFA's to develop.

 

[Jerellh528]

Stephon Gilmore is going to New England. I know he was a target for a lot of packer fans.

 

[Snoops]

Looks like the lions and bills are strongly interested in cook...

 

[Snoops]

Bouye is a big gamble but high reward... pay the man Jon gruden loves the guy "super star"
I mean the dude is a 88 ovr on madden he has to be good lol

 

[Dantés]

Barwin isn't a premier player at this stage, but he still has a lot to offer as a versatile pass rushing weapon. He can do more in coverage than Perry can and would add a new element. If they signed him, they'd still want to draft the position and of course continue to develop Fackrell, but he would be a valuable rotational piece.

 

[rodell330]

Stephon Gilmore is going to New England. I know he was a target for a lot of packer fans.

Some guys actually want to win a ring. Everyone around the league knows that the Packers have the best player in football in Rodgers...they also know that that alone still isn't enough to get you to the SB. The World saw how awful the corners are last season that you had dudes out of the league asking for a chance to play in Green Bay. Every team has injuries ...so it's Nonsense to believe that that's the reason they were so bad. WRs still running wide open two months later.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

8.5M for Bitonio is a good sign for keeping Lang. He should slot in below that.

Ron Leary is signing a 4 year, $35,000,000 contract with the Denver Broncos, including $20,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $8,750,000.

Shows you just how good the Dallas line is/was....Leary wasn't even projected to be a starter in 2017.

Think we are starting to see a clear picture of what it is going to take to sign Lang.

 

[bigbubbatd]

People need to realize even with 8 sacks a year Perry is a very good player bc his run defense is terrific