Supposedly Leslie Frazier spent a couple of days with the Packers, recently. On a mini tour of teams trying to get back into coaching. Probably seeing if he needs to "start" as a DC or if a team will take him on as Assistant HC or "Consultant".
Maybe after several years with Pettine as well he is confused as to which direction to go.
I think he saw just how long the "Fire Capers" thread is and he is trying to establish a new Packer Forum Record with the "Fire Barry" thread.
This time of year be thankful that’s there’s any discussion whatsoever about any topic.Barry was/is bad enough as DC. Since I came here to read about the WR/TE room, I'm fearful that he's taken over that, too.
very true. Until the fluff pieces out of training camp hit us, there isn't really anything new to talk about. We'll have a lot new to talk about this year, but at this point I don't find much point in it as it's all just one huge gigantic guess. even more so than the rest of what we talk about.This time of year be thankful that’s there’s any discussion whatsoever about any topic.
Yes. I suppose We should seriously consider reopening the “Fire Capers” thread.
Could also track down all the YouTubers on how good the Bears/'Queens/Kittycats will be this season for the funny video thread.Yes. I suppose We should seriously consider reopening the “Fire Capers” thread.
Yes. I suppose We should seriously consider reopening the “Fire Capers” thread.
While I agree with your base premise of "Capers is a better DC than Barry", I don't agree with the idea that Capers wasn't given talent to work with. I actually think by 2018, that was why Capers lost his job as the Packers DC. TT had pumped a ton of draft resources into the defense and Capers didn't seem to be able to do a whole lot with it.
Capers got some raw deals imo. Seemed every time, in the big games, he had to sift thru piles of injuries and no names to field a defense against teams vying for a Super Bowl. Tough sledding when Andy Malumba on one leg is your best available linebacker in the playoffs.
Im sorry but I had to fact check this because it just didn’t sound right and actually I learned that’s not accurate. I know they both have struggled at times, but here’s the bigger picture.
I believe the highlight of Capers career was as a head coach propelling the Carolina Panthers to the NFC Championship game of the 1996 season in only their 2nd season. Unfortunately, he faced the Packers at Lambeau. He did this with a young Kerry Collins at QB and with a pretty good defense.
But He’s been here 2 seasons?? How do you compare 9 seasons to 2?? That doesn’t even make sense
We can only hope that Barry pulls a "reverse Capers", has a few bad years and then a lot of good years. I don't know anyone that was happy with the job that Capers did in his final years in Green Bay and yes that too, was with quite a bit of high draft capital. But to your point, beyond draft capital, Gute has also invested quite a bit in signing free agents, as well as doling out a few big 2nd contracts (Clark and Jaire), so yes, he is definitely underachieving in my eyes.
I think losing Campbell for a number of games and then him playing hurt the rest of the season, definitely hurt the defense. As did some other injuries, but that still isn't a good enough excuse for Barry, again, IMO.
Listen. I don’t pretend to say we’ve got an elite DC. But I also think we should give him his chance to prove himself and 2 years with an slightly above average talented D (without Gary) and he got slightly above average results (13th)
