Free Agent Signings for Packers or Elsewhere...

[brandon2348]

Jarred Cook and Packers break off contract talks.

So it goes from bad to worse.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

This is definitely disappointing. Would martellus Bennett be an option for packers? The Packers need a te

No thanks. The guy wanted to "break the bank" in New England and wasn't known to be the best locker room guy.

Why would players resign before testing the market? Their agents saw the writing on the wall and how much they could get

So a player is 100% sure the market will be higher than an offer from their team and that their team won't move on before they discover that isn't true?

I understand both sides, but am curious if its a matter of TT just wanting to always low ball a guy pre Free agency and that is well known in Green Bay or he doesn't actually know if he wants to resign a player like Cook and is willing to roll the dice with pretty much every player.

Presigning Bahk seemed to have worked out well for the Packers, I would just like to see it more often. Instead of watching this high stakes poker game every year. But I guess that adds to the fun.

 

[bigbubbatd]

I don't get where the idea that TT low balls guys comes from. If anything TT seems to overpay for his own players.

If you are lang you see that you are one of the best guards. What do you have to lose by testing the waters? Bahk hadn't proven he was a star yet but the Packers paid like he would be come a pro bolwer. Many here thought TT overpaid Bahk. However I bet Bahk wishes he wouldn't have signed that deal now. He probably lost 3-4 million a year signing that early. Imagine what he would have received in this market?

 

[Mondio]

So Ted only overpays for our own FAs but he's too cheap to sign Lang, Hyde and apparently Cook?

I think Ted is an easy negotiator. Tells people what the offer is and you can take it or leave it with a little wiggle room. If Cook wants more than Ted is willing to give, then go get it dog.

I liked the guy, but he's not a super star. None of us know the money being discussed so it's a bit premature to have a real strong opinion.

I view him as very similar to Perry. Except he doesn't play nearly as premium as a position. And he's a bit older I think? Could be wrong. Anyway, coming in knocks were health, playing thru injury, and not a consistent performer, but could create mismatches because of physical attributes and was capable of big plays. And IMO he was all of that last year the good and bad.

For the great play he made in Dallas, didn't he have 2 or 3 early drops right in the hands against the Falcons? We were pretty explosive when he played, he missed a bunch of the year too.

He has definite value to this team, but what's he looking for?

 

[Ace]

Or $60M to an OLB who also has only had 1 big year.

Yes, and then he gets bashed because he "overpaid". The guy literally cannot win. So if he gave that contract to Bouye, how would it be viewed? A GREAT move, why? Because he wasn't' a Packer last year that's why.

I try not to be a TT apologist, and I dont' agree with everything he does but again, he is who he is. I'm not going to lose my mind when he's not spending crazy money in free agency.

 

[PackAttack12]

If the Packers do not find a way to re-sign Cook, I'll be livid.

 

[brandon2348]

So Ted only overpays for our own FAs but he's too cheap to sign Lang, Hyde and apparently Cook?

I think Ted is an easy negotiator. Tells people what the offer is and you can take it or leave it with a little wiggle room. If Cook wants more than Ted is willing to give, then go get it dog.

I liked the guy, but he's not a super star. None of us know the money being discussed so it's a bit premature to have a real strong opinion.

I view him as very similar to Perry. Except he doesn't play nearly as premium as a position. And he's a bit older I think? Could be wrong. Anyway, coming in knocks were health, playing thru injury, and not a consistent performer, but could create mismatches because of physical attributes and was capable of big plays. And IMO he was all of that last year the good and bad.

For the great play he made in Dallas, didn't he have 2 or 3 early drops right in the hands against the Falcons? We were pretty explosive when he played, he missed a bunch of the year too.

He has definite value to this team, but what's he looking for?

The problem becomes who are you going to replace Cook with?

His presence is vital for the offense to be as successful as they were last year and the team was 10-3 with him in the lineup.

If the answer is to go "backwards" with RR and counting on the draft again with so many other holes then it's just getting to much to bear.

 

[bigbubbatd]

If the Packers do not find a way to re-sign Cook, I'll be livid.

Do you a contract you think is right or should TT break the bank? Do you want cook on a multi year deal at 7 million or more a year

 

[Mondio]

The problem becomes who are you going to replace Cook with?

His presence is vital for the offense to be as successful as they were last year and the team was 10-3 with him in the lineup.

If the answer is to go "backwards" with RR and counting on the draft again with so many other holes then it's just getting to much to bear.

Then go. Go do something else. We won a super bowl with nobodies at TE. I'm not concerned.he has value, has had question marks. He'd be nice to have, he absolutely is NOT a must have player for our offense to be successful or this team. Without knowing the dollar amounts there is no reason to be upset.

 

[brandon2348]

Then go. Go do something else. We won a super bowl with nobodies at TE. I'm not concerned.he has value, has had question marks. He'd be nice to have, he absolutely is NOT a must have player for our offense to be successful or this team. Without knowing the dollar amounts there is no reason to be upset.

When will there be a reason to get upset? When there 5-11 and a bottom feeder?

Obviously the players don't like Thompson's "losing mentality" and whats going on and there leaving.

 

[Sky King]

Barclay signed a 5 year $80M contract with $50M guaranteed.........

******steps back******

****waits for the implosion****

*smiles*

And the Bears, Lions and Vikings are reimbursing the Packers for the entire amount.

 

[Half Empty]

All those holes? You mean secondary pass rusher and nickel CB. Oh the humanity. 2 roles we'll need rookies to fill in the deepest draft in some time at those positions. Could never happen. NEED that big FA splash

If I'm reading that correctly, you're saying the Packers' D has just those two deficiencies? If so, could you just list last year's players, with a quick note on why they're not (at least) a potential hole? I'd really appreciate something that could give me some confidence in any area - DL, LB, DB. Thanks.

 

[Half Empty]

Why in the world does signing a backup to a near league minimum deal enrage so many people?

Probably two things. First, Barclay is Barclay - there are levels of 'backup', and his is way down the list. Second, the news came in the middle of discussions of how the Pack could possibly be helped, and this move certainly isn't it.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

There's no reason to criticize Thompson because of a free agent leaving for more money to play somewhere else, especially with no information about any numbers. Of course I would like the general manager to extend core players early but it takes two to get a deal done and TT can't force an agent to agree to a contract.

It would be disappointing to lose Cook in free agency but let's not panic over a move that hasn't even happened.

 

[RRyder]

If I'm reading that correctly, you're saying the Packers' D has just those two deficiencies? If so, could you just list last year's players, with a quick note on why they're not (at least) a potential hole? I'd really appreciate something that could give me some confidence in any area - DL, LB, DB. Thanks.

I allready did on the so...... thread

 

[Dantés]

Lardarius Webb released by the Ravens. Could be a capable and cheap facsimile of Hyde as a CB/S versatile player.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Lardarius Webb released by the Ravens. Could be a capable and cheap facsimile of Hyde as a CB/S versatile player.

I don't think Webb will move to cornerback at the age of 32.

 

[brandon2348]

There's no reason to criticize Thompson because of a free agent leaving for more money to play somewhere else, especially with no information about any numbers. Of course I would like the general manager to extend core players early but it takes two to get a deal done and TT can't force an agent to agree to a contract.

It would be disappointing to lose Cook in free agency but let's not panic over a move that hasn't even happened.

Seattle is gonna go "all in" on Lang. I don't expect Cook or Lacy back at this stage either.

So if the scenario is to loose these guys in addition to the others already lost and only bringing in House would that cause reason for panic?

I just don't see how they can draft and fill all these needs. The numbers don't add up.

 

[DarkHelmet]

Wow, there's a lot of premature freakout going on. The guys on the radio this morning sounded like they were ready to jump off a cliff. Or throw TT off a cliff. Everybody needs to take a deep breath.

Would it have been nice to keep Hyde? Sure. But he was a role player, not a shutdown corner. He was a reliable pair of hands on punt returns, but not a threat to take it to the house. I like him, but I would not have overbid the Bills.

Perry was resigned. Proven pass rushers are very valuable. We kept one we had. Good.

Tretter was good but not irreplaceable.

Lacy -- a couple months ago a lot of fans were complaining that he was fat, hurt, lazy and useless. Now it's a crisis if he doesn't get resigned? BTW, I think they will resign him.

Cook -- story's not over yet. Hopefully we keep him.

Now as for making a big splash signing -- like Houston signing Osweiller last year? Or the Bears signing Glennon this year? No thanks.

We'll see how Bouye turns out --maybe he'll be worth the money and maybe not. I'd like to get a veteran corner to push either Randall or Rollins into a backup role. House is no superstar but he would help. If we acquire no help at all in the defensive backfield by the time training camp comes around then I will start to worry.

We Packers fans are spoiled. We've got a pretty darn good team that makes the playoffs every year. We've got some glaring holes, too, but there are about 28 teams in the league (at least) that would trade their problems for ours.

 

[brandon2348]

Lang in Seattle as we speak.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Seattle is gonna go "all in" on Lang. I don't expect Cook or Lacy back at this stage either.

So if the scenario is to loose these guys in addition to the others already lost and only bringing in House would that cause reason for panic?

I just don't see how they can draft and fill all these needs. The numbers don't add up.

As I've mentioned before there's no reason to evaluate the roster until after the draft. I would be disappointed if the weaknesses on the roster aren't adequately addressed though.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So if the scenario is to loose these guys in addition to the others already lost and only bringing in House would that cause reason for panic?

I think you are doing enough of that already for the rest of us

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[Deleted member 6794]

Now as for making a big splash signing -- like Houston signing Osweiller last year? Or the Bears signing Glennon this year? No thanks.

What about listing the moves the Giants made last season to upgrade their defense as well??? The unit improved from 30th in points allowed in 2015 to second in '16.

As I've said repeatedly there's a smart way to use free agency, even when making splash signings.

 

[Dantés]

I don't think Webb will move to cornerback at the age of 32.

He's spent most of his career there, but you missed the point. Hyde's role in Green Bay, especially when the team was healthy, was not a true corner role. He was essentially a sub package safety who could walk down over the slot in sub package. Webb has that skill set.

 

[brandon2348]

I think you are doing enough of that already for the rest of us

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I pretty much predicted all this happening in the weeks leading up here to free agency so I am not shocked at all what's happening.

Everything from here on out will just be a formality with TT at the helm.