Fire MM!

[Dantés]

Not really. Only 32 NFL jobs in the world and they don't come around that often. Young coaches in college would be fools to pass up a chance to move to the NFL if they can make a lateral move directly to head coach.

The NFL is not everyone's highest aspiration. Some guys are better suited to the college game and some just prefer it. He has more control at OK than he would at the NFL level and he gets paid pretty handsomely.

I'm not arguing against him as a good idea, but I would surprised if he leaves Oklahoma after only two seasons.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Young coaches in college would be fools to pass up a chance to move to the NFL if they can make a lateral move directly to head coach.

Yes and no, all depends on the program they are running at the College level, if they prefer college players over pro as well as the security of their job. The Sooners Board of Regents approved a raise for Lincoln Riley in June, $25M for 5 years. Riley has said on several occasions that he isn't going anywhere and yes, he can change his mind, but that is a lot of money and job security to give up for a 35 year old up and coming college coach, who could come to the NFL and like so many college guys, not make it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

you won't seem saying it was a good play anywhere. You can't let the Dline get that much penetration inside the 1 and expect anything good to happen

Yes and that is the problem, way too often THAT play gets blown up. I believe the Packers defense blew the Rams up a few times when they tried running it. I'm getting the Badger-Nothwestern game confused, because I know the Wildcats got completely stone walled several times trying to run it up the middle to pick up a half of yard.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Yes and no, all depends on the program they are running at the College level, if they prefer college players over pro as well as the security of their job. The Sooners Board of Regents approved a raise for Lincoln Riley in June, $25M for 5 years. Riley has said on several occasions that he isn't going anywhere and yes, he can change his mind, but that is a lot of money and job security to give up for a 35 year old up and coming college coach, who could come to the NFL and like so many college guys, not make it.

Let's be honest. The NFL will pay more. He doesn't have to recruit in the offseason. He gets a chance to see if he can be the best (guys don't make it to that level without some ego). And, if he fails in the NFL, other colleges will remember what he did in college and he'll get a ton of money to come back. Coaches will ALWAYS say they are staying during the season, there is literally nothing else they can possibly say. Anyone asking a current coach about a different job while they're coaching is just being a bad journalist.

 

[swhitset]

Not really. Only 32 NFL jobs in the world and they don't come around that often. Young coaches in college would be fools to pass up a chance to move to the NFL if they can make a lateral move directly to head coach.

Completely disagree with that statement. Coaching in a premier college program is a very good job. Being a head coach in the NFL ... while prestigious... is also quite frankly hell. College coaches still have some time for a life outside of football. I’m sure you will want to disagree with this, but there have been several cases of college coaches saying exactly this. As for money... take a look at the salaries that the top college coaches are getting. Now that’s not to say that there aren’t a lot of guys in the college ranks that wouldn’t like to give the NFL a shot, but there are many that don’t. Saying that those that don’t are fools is what I disagree with.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

The NFL is not everyone's highest aspiration. Some guys are better suited to the college game and some just prefer it. He has more control at OK than he would at the NFL level and he gets paid pretty handsomely.

I'm not arguing against him as a good idea, but I would surprised if he leaves Oklahoma after only two seasons.

If you're a guy who has risen to head coach at a major college by the age of 35, I can guarantee he's someone that's wired to want to keep trying to make it to the next level. Those guys don't "settle".

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Completely disagree with that statement. Coaching in a premier college program is a very good job. Being a head coach in the NFL ... while prestigious... is also quite frankly hell. College coaches still have some time for a life outside of football. I’m sure you will want to disagree with this, but there have been several cases of college coaches saying exactly this. As for money... take a look at the salaries that the top college coaches are getting. Now that’s not to say that there aren’t a lot of guys in the college ranks that wouldn’t like to give the NFL a shot, but there are many that don’t. Saying that those that don’t are fools is what I disagree with.

Guys that are wired to be head coaches at that young an age aren't like normal people. He's not looking at the difficulty of being an NFL coach, he's looking for the challenge and the opportunity.

 

[swhitset]

Guys that are wired to be head coaches at that young an age aren't like normal people. He's not looking at the difficulty of being an NFL coach, he's looking for the challenge and the opportunity.

Thank you for telling me what he wants. Perhaps you should let him know too.

 

[Dantés]

If you're a guy who has risen to head coach at a major college by the age of 35, I can guarantee he's someone that's wired to want to keep trying to make it to the next level. Those guys don't "settle".

You can't "guarantee" anything. And neither can I. But the fact of the matter is that some coaches don't view staying at college as "settling." His salary pays him about what the average NFL head coach makes, he has more job security at Oklahoma, and he has more control to to bottom. Believe it or not, for some guys they view that as the top, and not the NFL. I have no idea how he's wired, but he's professing that the NFL isn't really his aspiration and he's only been there 2 years, so I don't think he's leaving right now.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Thank you for telling me what he wants. Perhaps you should let him know too.

No, you're right. It's perfectly normal for highly successful, driven people to just suddenly decide to settle. It's completely illogical to point out that most people who are highly successful at a young age like he's been don't just suddenly stop one day before they reach the top of their profession because of....comfort? Love of Oklahoma?

 

[Sunshinepacker]

You can't "guarantee" anything. And neither can I. But the fact of the matter is that some coaches don't view staying at college as "settling." His salary pays him about what the average NFL head coach makes, he has more job security at Oklahoma, and he has more control to to bottom. Believe it or not, for some guys they view that as the top, and not the NFL. I have no idea how he's wired, but he's professing that the NFL isn't really his aspiration and he's only been there 2 years, so I don't think he's leaving right now.

Technically I can guarantee anything I want, it's just worthless.

Most coaches work for decades to achieve the job of head coach at a major college. He got there at 34. How many young, ultra-successful people have you read about that just decided to stop being challenged to do more at the age of 35?

 

[C-Lee]

I think Fat Mike is on life support.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

No, you're right. It's perfectly normal for highly successful, driven people to just suddenly decide to settle. It's completely illogical to point out that most people who are highly successful at a young age like he's been don't just suddenly stop one day before they reach the top of their profession because of....comfort? Love of Oklahoma?

I get what you are saying.....but you are equating a move from a highly successful College program to the NFL as a step up for a coach, I think you will find some disagree with you.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I get what you are saying.....but you are equating a move from a highly successful College program to the NFL as a step up for a coach, I think you will find some disagree with you.

Of course people will disagree, it's the Internet. What most people think doesn't really play into it. The question is what does Riley believe? Most coaches look at professional coaching as the top-step of the ladder. Most fans look at making $5m a year as the top-step. Successful guys in coaching tend to coach for the challenge, not the money; the money just comes with being really good at it.

 

[swhitset]

No, you're right. It's perfectly normal for highly successful, driven people to just suddenly decide to settle. It's completely illogical to point out that most people who are highly successful at a young age like he's been don't just suddenly stop one day before they reach the top of their profession because of....comfort? Love of Oklahoma?

what is illogical is for you to think that you are the arbiter of what is the “pinnacle”. The NFL is not the top for many people. For instance I happen to like College basketball and couldn’t care less about the NBA. If the Bucks won the NBA championship I really wouldn’t care. However, I love it when the Badgers go far in the NCAA tournament. I can’t even tell you who the head coach of the Bucks is because I don’t care. I do know who Greg Gard is though. For football, because I am such a huge Packer Fan... the NFL is still tops for me. But not everyone.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

what is illogical is for you to think that you are the arbiter of what is the “pinnacle”. The NFL is not the top for many people. For instance I happen to like College basketball and couldn’t care less about the NBA. If the Bucks won the NBA championship I really wouldn’t care. However, I love it when the Badgers go far in the NCAA tournament. I can’t even tell you who the head coach of the Bucks is because I don’t care. I do know who Greg Gard is though. For football, because I am such a huge Packer Fan... the NFL is still tops for me. But not everyone.

You are a fan. I am a fan. Riley is a coach. Those guys are not fans. They are guys who are driven by the desire to beat the opponent. They stay up and work terrible hours looking for some ridiculous edge. They start in a profession making almost nothing and doing insane amounts of work for the chance to move up because they love the challenge (I'm sorry, I don't believe any person would go through what these coaches go through if they didn't love something). For them the challenge and excitement of the game is what drives them. You don't think the challenge of the NFL would appeal to a college coach? I think it's illogical to assume that ONE guy is suddenly wired differently then all the coaches that came before him.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

what is illogical is for you to think that you are the arbiter of what is the “pinnacle”. The NFL is not the top for many people. For instance I happen to like College basketball and couldn’t care less about the NBA. If the Bucks won the NBA championship I really wouldn’t care. However, I love it when the Badgers go far in the NCAA tournament. I can’t even tell you who the head coach of the Bucks is because I don’t care. I do know who Greg Gard is though. For football, because I am such a huge Packer Fan... the NFL is still tops for me. But not everyone.

Mike Budenholzer (Bucks Head Coach)
Giannis Antetokounmpo (possibly the most upcoming player in the NBA and he is a Buck
7-0 (Bucks current record)

They play at the Celtics on Thursday night, in case you want to jump back on the Bucks bandwagon with me.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

You don't think the challenge of the NFL would appeal to a college coach? I think it's illogical to assume that ONE guy is suddenly wired differently then all the coaches that came before him.

Ask these guys, just to name a few, what their opinion is:

• Nick Saban
• Jim Harbaugh
• Steve Spurrier
• Bobby Petrino
• Dave Wannstedt
• Chip Kelly
• Dennis Erickson
  
• Butch Davis
• Lou Holtz

 

[swhitset]

You are a fan. I am a fan. Riley is a coach. Those guys are not fans. They are guys who are driven by the desire to beat the opponent. They stay up and work terrible hours looking for some ridiculous edge. They start in a profession making almost nothing and doing insane amounts of work for the chance to move up because they love the challenge (I'm sorry, I don't believe any person would go through what these coaches go through if they didn't love something). For them the challenge and excitement of the game is what drives them. You don't think the challenge of the NFL would appeal to a college coach? I think it's illogical to assume that ONE guy is suddenly wired differently then all the coaches that came before him.

You are talking around the issue. You appear to believe that everyone agrees with you that the NFL is the top and that is the only place a coach can get that challenge. I disagree with you on that. At this point nothing can be proved by you or me. I could come up with quotes from college coaches that agree with me... you could do the same for your position....I consider the matter closed.

 

[Dantés]

Technically I can guarantee anything I want, it's just worthless.

Most coaches work for decades to achieve the job of head coach at a major college. He got there at 34. How many young, ultra-successful people have you read about that just decided to stop being challenged to do more at the age of 35?

Everyone is different. Urban Meyer has never tried the NFL level and he reached the peak of the college ranks about 10 years ago. David Shaw has exposure to the NFL and has turned down offers to move on from Stanford for quite some time. Riley might have NFL aspirations and might leap at a shot this next season (I don't think so, but it's possible), he might have aspirations that he wants to wait on because he wants to accomplish more at Oklahoma, or he might have no such aspirations at all. We just don't know. But I'm not considering him as a realistic candidate when he's only in his second season at his present job.

 

[Dantés]

You are a fan. I am a fan. Riley is a coach. Those guys are not fans. They are guys who are driven by the desire to beat the opponent. They stay up and work terrible hours looking for some ridiculous edge. They start in a profession making almost nothing and doing insane amounts of work for the chance to move up because they love the challenge (I'm sorry, I don't believe any person would go through what these coaches go through if they didn't love something). For them the challenge and excitement of the game is what drives them. You don't think the challenge of the NFL would appeal to a college coach? I think it's illogical to assume that ONE guy is suddenly wired differently then all the coaches that came before him.

I think you're casting a narrative that fits what you want to be true.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Then you have a guy like Bret Bielema who Arkansas is paying $11.8 M not to coach and he is working for the Patriots for free! I guess he found his path to the NFL!

 

[HardRightEdge]

It’s funny to read this and then hear another interpretation of the play. Not saying yours is wrong or anything like that. I appreciate the synopsis, and I don’t rewatch parts to know any more than what I saw on Sunday.

But listening to the radio just now heading into work for a few hours and on Bill Michaels they’re making it sound like it was an RPO and MVS was wide open and Rodgers never looked at him and stuck with the run.

Well, believe who like, but I'd say Bill Michaels, whoever he is, is full of sh*t if he used that term "run/pass option". We know that term to mean an option decision made post-snap. Otherwise, every play is run/pass option. This was aboslutely not that.

Rodgers took the snap and immediately pivoted to his right to make the handoff. MVS wasn't even a step off the line before Rodgers was turning his back to him to hand off the ball. This was a run play, plain and simple.

Ask Bill, or whoever said it, to go back and watch this play a dozen times in slow motion.[/QUOTE]

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Sorry HRE, I have no idea what this means mate.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Sorry HRE, I have no idea what this means mate.

That's because I messed up the post with your name in it. It's fixed now.