Fire MM!

[ShockwaveRider]

Did it take a 4th. loss to come to that conclusion? Actually, with the tie, the 3rd. loss killed it, but that would be splitting hairs.

It seems like "splitting hairs" is all we do to each other on this site.

I don't know about you, but after following the Green Bay Packers fairly hard-core for the past 50+ years, I think I'm at least "reasonably qualified" to make some observations, even if only as a fan.

I'm not talking literally about the 13-3 season. I'm talking about the eternal hope that maybe this year, the season wont be plagued by injuries to key players and marred by the general ineptitude of the head coach.

How many times are the Packers going to run the freaking flanker screen? Yeah, I get it, get the ball into the hands of your best playmakers and see if they can make something happen.

I don't live in Green Bay and I don't care about the Titletown District. I want to see them put a competitive team on the field.

How much longer do we have to put up with the ineptitude? Don't we deserve any better?

 

[pacmaniac]

I can't help but think Rodgers is wasting his own season. he's not sharp, he's not accurate, he's not Rodgers. If you're going to keep saying we should do this and should be this and should win that, then you better hold Mr. Rodgers just as accountable. I know he's been injured. I know other things are happening around him and I also know that he has not been very good other than in spurts this season. that's not good enough. Stay consistent people if you're going to just come here to *****.

Rodgers seems as bad as he was during that stretch in 2015. I don't think he's in the top 2 QBs anymore - at this point Brees is #2.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I can't help but think Rodgers is wasting his own season. he's not sharp, he's not accurate, he's not Rodgers. If you're going to keep saying we should do this and should be this and should win that, then you better hold Mr. Rodgers just as accountable. I know he's been injured. I know other things are happening around him and I also know that he has not been very good other than in spurts this season. that's not good enough. Stay consistent people if you're going to just come here to *****.

I agree. Surprised nobody has blamed Danica for this yet!

 

[JK64]

- what an undisciplined team. McCarthy is becoming Forrest Gregg. They are finding new and fascinating ways to lose games they should be in.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I brought this up in another thread but something that happened in last nights game, made me stop and really wonder if MM has lost it. MM has always been a coach who values that last 2 minutes of the first half. Sometimes so much that he uses timeouts while on defense and it has backfired and given the other teams offense time to score.

Anyway, last night the Packer were forced to punt as time was running down in the first half. The game clock was running, as was the play clock and they were about a second apart. New England had all 3 timeouts and decided not to use one. OK fine, the Patriots looked content to let the half end. So why punt the ball at the 14 second mark? Was MM expecting a fumble? Did he realize the punt could have been blocked, returned for a long gainer or had given Brady enough time to pull a Rodgers?

All these little mistakes during a game, along with what I would call unimaginative play calling is starting to make me side with the "Fire MM crowd" and I haven't really ever been in that crowd before.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Rodgers seems as bad as he was during that stretch in 2015. I don't think he's in the top 2 QBs anymore - at this point Brees is #2.

It does help when the QB is playing in an offense designed to help the QB win.

 

[adambr2]

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This is about as well as it can be put.

 

[swhitset]

I brought this up in another thread but something that happened in last nights game, made me stop and really wonder if MM has lost it. MM has always been a coach who values that last 2 minutes of the first half. Sometimes so much that he uses timeouts while on defense and it has backfired and given the other teams offense time to score.

Anyway, last night the Packer were forced to punt as time was running down in the first half. The game clock was running, as was the play clock and they were about a second apart. New England had all 3 timeouts and decided not to use one. OK fine, the Patriots looked content to let the half end. So why punt the ball at the 14 second mark? Was MM expecting a fumble? Did he realize the punt could have been blocked, returned for a long gainer or had given Brady enough time to pull a Rodgers?

All these little mistakes during a game, along with what I would call unimaginative play calling is starting to make me side with the "Fire MM crowd" and I haven't really ever been in that crowd before.

Exactly they literally could have let the game clock run down even taking a delay penalty... then simply snapped the ball and let that last second run off.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I agree. Surprised nobody has blamed Danica for this yet!

This just in: Aaron Rodgers, already two laps down, just blew a tire and hit the wall......

 

[CaptainCanuck]

Former Packers weighs in on the offensive struggles

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/JermichaelF88/status/1059516104559648769[/TWEET]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/AronYohannes/status/1059150368955817984[/TWEET]

 

[HardRightEdge]

It seems like "splitting hairs" is all we do to each other on this site.

I don't know about you, but after following the Green Bay Packers fairly hard-core for the past 50+ years, I think I'm at least "reasonably qualified" to make some observations, even if only as a fan.

I'm not talking literally about the 13-3 season. I'm talking about the eternal hope that maybe this year, the season wont be plagued by injuries to key players and marred by the general ineptitude of the head coach.

How many times are the Packers going to run the freaking flanker screen? Yeah, I get it, get the ball into the hands of your best playmakers and see if they can make something happen.

I don't live in Green Bay and I don't care about the Titletown District. I want to see them put a competitive team on the field.

How much longer do we have to put up with the ineptitude? Don't we deserve any better?

I'll unpack that a little with my perspectives.

• Forgive me for taking your literal 13-3 as literal.
• There needs to be a basis for hope. My hope was for 10 wins, with some basis. but without great conviction. I did not see this as a championship caliber roster at the get go based on 50+ years following the game.
• The flanker screen is the least of the problems. It works well as a run substitution. Can't say I care for it in long yardage.
• This team's key problem is it is collectively mistake prone while being slow to snap back from adversity. Even if that were not the case it is not a 13 win team.
• I don't live in Green Bay either. I care about the Titletown District in the calculation of whether the capital expense pays for itself in a revenue stream that makes for an improved franchise financial foundation. I do believe the development of the Titletown District distracted Murphy from the football operation.
• I've put up with ineptitude in the past; I suppose I will again. I have a hard time characterizing this as "ineptness". I'll stick with mistake prone.
• Do we "deserve better"? What do we deserve that followers of other teams don't deserve?

 

[swhitset]

Former Packers weighs in on the offensive struggles

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/JermichaelF88/status/1059516104559648769[/TWEET]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/AronYohannes/status/1059150368955817984[/TWEET]

I don’t have much to respond to regarding the Jennings clip... But the Cowherd clip.. most on here will discount it because of who said it... But I have to say I agree with a lot of it. He merely echoed some of the things I have felt about Rodgers for quite a while. That being said, there is no other QB in the NFL that I would rather have right now.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Former Packers weighs in on the offensive struggles

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/AronYohannes/status/1059150368955817984[/TWEET]

As much as I ripped on Greg Jennings in his interview with Cowturd and blaming #12 for him giving up on his final year in GB and not being resigned, I find it hard to argue with Greg on what he says here. The proof was in last nights game. Maybe its just the results that are stale to me, but sure seems like the Packer offense is in a total funk and bringing Philbin back hasn't changed that whatsoever.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don’t have much to respond to regarding the Jennings clip... But the Cowherd clip.. most on here will discount it because of who said it... But I have to say I agree with a lot of it. He merely echoed some of the things I have felt about Rodgers for quite a while. That being said, there is no other QB in the NFL that I would rather have right now.

Given your comments, I actually decided to listen to Cowturd, something I usually don't do if I can avoid it. LOL I agree with you and although what the Turd said is becoming common knowledge and he loves to over emphasize and sensationalize all the negatives about Rodgers, it seems the issues are there and hard to deny. The problem is, this is sort of the way AR has always operated, so how can you change it? Bring in a new coach that doesn't tolerate it? Bench him? Trade him? Expect him to change on his own? The bigger problem is, I don't think AR sees these things in himself and if he does, hasn't wanted to change them.

I think this a result of the evolution of Rodgers and the Packers. The Packers have had to over relay on his greatness and everyone knows it. So when Rodgers himself is having an average game or is a bit off, nobody including AR himself wants to blame it on Rodgers. Going to be hard to undue what has happened, unless all of a sudden the team gets hot and everyone, including #12 is playing at their best, with all the breaks going their way.

 

[pacmaniac]

Former Packers weighs in on the offensive struggles

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/JermichaelF88/status/1059516104559648769[/TWEET]

Is it true that Rodgers always travels ALONE to all road games, as mentioned by Cowherd? That's odd.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I brought this up in another thread but something that happened in last nights game, made me stop and really wonder if MM has lost it. MM has always been a coach who values that last 2 minutes of the first half. Sometimes so much that he uses timeouts while on defense and it has backfired and given the other teams offense time to score.

Anyway, last night the Packer were forced to punt as time was running down in the first half. The game clock was running, as was the play clock and they were about a second apart. New England had all 3 timeouts and decided not to use one. OK fine, the Patriots looked content to let the half end. So why punt the ball at the 14 second mark? Was MM expecting a fumble? Did he realize the punt could have been blocked, returned for a long gainer or had given Brady enough time to pull a Rodgers?

All these little mistakes during a game, along with what I would call unimaginative play calling is starting to make me side with the "Fire MM crowd" and I haven't really ever been in that crowd before.

Well here's the thing and I think everyone can probably agree with it. We are right now 3-4-1, and while we still got half a season left to go, squandering some opportunities the way we have is starting to loom large right now. Yes we can still make a run for it, but I would argue it's got to start either this Sunday against Miami or shortly thereafter.

I think what's also troubling is that we've only blown one team out, and even in that game we really didn't finish the job as well as we should have.

Now I'm not likely to join the fire MM crowd unless this current trajectory keeps up the rest of the way. But I'll admit if he does not get this team fired up to pick it up around AR or do something to generate way more big plays on offense and take the game to the next level, I do believe he will be in serious trouble.

Perhaps one reason I'm just a little more forgiving of MM is that I believe Ted Thompson hosed him badly with awful defensive draft picks and neglected the offense. I felt receivers of MVS and ESB's caliber should have been drafted at least 2 years ago when Jordy was coming back from his injury, and the OL should have been fixed when Lang and Sitton left. Thompson is responsible for a good chunk of this offense's problems IMO and Gute needs to right that wrong fast. But as to MM, hopefully he can do something with the cards he's got now since firing him does not mean the next guy is an upgrade.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Is it true that Rodgers always travels ALONE to all road games, as mentioned by Cowherd? That's odd.

if it is....its very "Favresque"

 

[Dantés]

MM has been a good coach for a long time, but he's been here 13 years, his offense has become stale, and it has run its course. He needs to be removed. I don't say that maliciously. He had a good run.

You have Aaron Rodgers, a good line, good receivers, and good backs. Scoring should not be this hard.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think what's also troubling is that we've only blown one team out, and even in that game we really didn't finish the job as well as we should have.

I think even more troubling than just that "almost blowout", which came against the lowly Buffalo Bills in Green Bay, our only other wins were against the 49ers and a first week Bear team, that it took a miracle comeback to beat. Also home games. We will find out in 6 weeks, but I think the Bears have improved since week 1. The Packers haven't and just aren't that good, despite looking like we could beat the Rams and hanging close with the Patriots for 3 quarters.

I hope I am just a bit more doom and gloomy than I have ever been due to the game last night, but this team looks a lot like they did last year, only they have #12 and a bit better defense to give them the hope of staying in games.

 

[ShockwaveRider]

• Do we "deserve better"? What do we deserve that followers of other teams don't deserve?

OK, I was following right along with you right up to this point.

I guess there is a sense of "entitlement" in that a town with the moniker of "Titletown" should be "entitled" to a number of NFL "titles".

I further guess we should be "entitled" to a competitive team, with a real chance to win a championship every year that we have BF4 or AR12 under center, just like we did with BS15.

It's the curse of growing up watching the Lombardi Packers. Where the "natural order of the universe" involved the Green Bay Packers dominating the NFL every year.

Well, except for 1963 and 1964.

 

[GB2016]

Most people are quick to jump on MM for his play calling but how do you explain when were 1 st and goal on the one yard line we are throwing passes or when it 3rd or 4th and 1 at mid field we are running naked bootlegs even though MM has said we have to run the ball more.

Can it be that AR is calling audibles at the line only to improve his HOF stats. If so we will probable never know since it would be the end of MM if he calls out AR.

 

[rodell330]

Most people are quick to jump on MM for his play calling but how do you explain when were 1 st and goal on the one yard line we are throwing passes or when it 3rd or 4th and 1 at mid field we are running naked bootlegs even though MM has said we have to run the ball more.

Can it be that AR is calling audibles at the line only to improve his HOF stats. If so we will probable never know since it would be the end of MM if he calls out AR.

Could be Rodgers audibleing....but how else would he get out of a bad play call. They take forever to even run a play. Always close to getting a delay call...always.

 

[HardRightEdge]

OK, I was following right along with you right up to this point.

I guess there is a sense of "entitlement" in that a town with the moniker of "Titletown" should be "entitled" to a number of NFL "titles".

I further guess we should be "entitled" to a competitive team, with a real chance to win a championship every year that we have BF4 or AR12 under center, just like we did with BS15.

It's the curse of growing up watching the Lombardi Packers. Where the "natural order of the universe" involved the Green Bay Packers dominating the NFL every year.

Well, except for 1963 and 1964.

Sense of entitlement...that I'd agree with.

 

[HardRightEdge]

Most people are quick to jump on MM for his play calling but how do you explain when were 1 st and goal on the one yard line we are throwing passes or when it 3rd or 4th and 1 at mid field we are running naked bootlegs even though MM has said we have to run the ball more.

Can it be that AR is calling audibles at the line only to improve his HOF stats. If so we will probable never know since it would be the end of MM if he calls out AR.

I'll tell you this much. When you hear, "kill, kill", that's an audible from pass to run or run to pass.

 

[Mondio]

I'll tell you this much. When you hear, "kill, kill", that's an audible from pass to run or run to pass.

over, over, over. Run