Disrepecting the Refs

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

Do you think professional athletes should be allowed to get in the face of coaches or refs during a game?

I realize how heated a game can be and flags are thrown for this type of behaver, but isn't that bordering
disrespect for the jobs the refs are doing?

Sometimes I feel in younger athletes today, this is excepted as part of the game.

Your Thoughts

 

[XPack]

Fine line between protesting and disrespecting.

Under no condition is an official to allow a player to shove, push, or strike him in an offensive, disrespectful, or unsportsmanlike manner.

There has been instances of players getting ejected for blatant disrespect (grabbing the flag, bumping/pushing the ref etc). But yes, this can be tightened up a bit.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Sometimes I feel in younger athletes today, this is excepted as part of the game.

Your Thoughts

Those younger athletes must have been watching too much WWF?

I don't care what profession you are in, get in someones face and act like a petulant 4 year old and off to the corner you go!

Players are flagged almost immediately now for jawing at an opponent, call it taunting or whatever, but same should be applied with getting in a refs face. Get in your coaches face and you will probably find yourself at minimum on the bench or in the locker room.

Is this a rampant problem in the NFL? Not that I have seen, but keep flagging and fining the idiots who do it.

 

[Poppa San]

You've never watched MLB then. Jaw jacking the ump is a time honored tradition.

 

[906Fan]

There is also a lot more ejections and each individual game matters a lot less than in the NFL.

 

[okcpackerfan]

This is way more of an issue in the NBA and MLB, it's actually one of the few problems the NFL doesn't have. You can't except atheletes competing at that level to remain calm the entire game and referees are human so there will be errors and people will get mad at those errors.

 

[Wi. Mike now in Florida]

[QUOTE="okcpackerfan, post: 783189, member: 4994 You can't except atheletes competing at that level to remain calm the entire game and referees are human so there will be errors and people will get mad at those errors.[/QUOTE]


Sooooo What ever happen to discipline, self-control, and respect for the game?????

 

[HardRightEdge]

This is way more of an issue in the NBA and MLB, it's actually one of the few problems the NFL doesn't have. You can't except atheletes competing at that level to remain calm the entire game and referees are human so there will be errors and people will get mad at those errors.

Receivers gesticulate and jibber jabber over interference and then the late flag comes out. There are other examples of *****ing followed by late flags. The NFL is the only sport I can think of where *****ing can get you a retroactive remedy without the benefit of a formal play review process. As long as refs do that, expect the players to *****.

I've not watched much NBA since the Bird-Magic-Jordan era. I find the drive-and-shoot or drive-and-kickout-for-3 game, best exhibited by the James Cavaliers, to be tedious, but I digress. I have tuned into a few of the NBA finals games in recent years to watch Curry. I find the non-stop on-court b*tching over calls and non-calls even more tedious than the style of offense. What makes matters worse, and what surprises me the most, is the announcers breaking down calls and non-calls on every other play. It's out of control.

I don't see much *****ing to umpires in MLB. There's some back-and-forth on pitch calls but it is typically brief and cordial since questioning a pitch call is sufficient cause for ejection which is uncommon. Words are chosen carefully. Not much has changed in this regard since forever. Now that MLB has replay for non-pitch calls, instances of managers getting up in an umps grill, kicking dirt on him, tossing bases and other hijinks are way down. Baseball is genteel in this regard compared to the NFL or NBA, while the NBA is a mess.

Perhaps some solace can be taken in the fact there remains NO *****ING to officials in professional golf.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Perhaps some solace can be taken in the fact there remains NO *****ING to officials in professional golf.

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[HardRightEdge]

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Al contrario, mon amie. I don't see *****ing to officials there. I see players *****ing among themselves, and even that is rare. Player engagement with officials takes the form of persuasion and negotiation.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You've never watched MLB then. Jaw jacking the ump is a time honored tradition.

Or soccer for that matter.

 

[scotscheese]

Or soccer for that matter.

You mean football there sir.

talking back to the ref in football/soccer is horrible. i took no when i was a ref, mostly for juvenile games. and i'm really ******* my 14 yr old nephew if i see him disrespecting an official. unfortunately kids see this type of behaviour more and more on tv from so called professionals

 

[XPack]

Or soccer for that matter.

Penalties (or yellow cards) for protest is far more common in Soccer than in NFL. They really should flag more often in NFL too.

 

[PikeBadger]

Receivers gesticulate and jibber jabber over interference and then the late flag comes out. There are other examples of *****ing followed by late flags. The NFL is the only sport I can think of where *****ing can get you a retroactive remedy without the benefit of a formal play review process. As long as refs do that, expect the players to *****.

I've not watched much NBA since the Bird-Magic-Jordan era. I find the drive-and-shoot or drive-and-kickout-for-3 game, best exhibited by the James Cavaliers, to be tedious, but I digress. I have tuned into a few of the NBA finals games in recent years to watch Curry. I find the non-stop on-court b*tching over calls and non-calls even more tedious than the style of offense. What makes matters worse, and what surprises me the most, is the announcers breaking down calls and non-calls on every other play. It's out of control.

I don't see much *****ing to umpires in MLB. There's some back-and-forth on pitch calls but it is typically brief and cordial since questioning a pitch call is sufficient cause for ejection which is uncommon. Words are chosen carefully. Not much has changed in this regard since forever. Now that MLB has replay for non-pitch calls, instances of managers getting up in an umps grill, kicking dirt on him, tossing bases and other hijinks are way down. Baseball is genteel in this regard compared to the NFL or NBA, while the NBA is a mess.

Perhaps some solace can be taken in the fact there remains NO *****ING to officials in professional golf.

I quit watching the NBA back in the early 80’s but very well remember Oscar Robertson and Elgin Baylor being chronic whiners towards the officials. They seemed to be unhappy players. Made them very hard to like as a young fan.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I guess to me arguing with a game official is like arguing with a cop or judge who have already made their minds up. If it isn't your time to speak, then keep your mouth shut, you probably aren't going to change their minds and may just get yourself into more trouble.

 

[Poppa San]

Sooooo What ever happen to discipline, self-control, and respect for the game?????

Probably went out the door when refs and the league started changing up the rules and adding judgement calls to the rule book. Also blatant favoritism for the stars and other cash cows. It became business decisions over loyalty.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Probably went out the door when refs and the league started changing up the rules and adding judgement calls to the rule book. Also blatant favoritism for the stars and other cash cows. It became business decisions over loyalty.

Agreed but I also think its a growing trend in society. I work in a job that has me pretty close to college aged "kids". Accountability is not a strong point of our current younger generation. Call it learned behavior from their helicopter parents stepping in and taking the heat for them, the media, whatever, but gone are the days where most would step up and say "Yes, this was my fault, what can I do to rectify it and learn from this experience".

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Penalties (or yellow cards) for protest is far more common in Soccer than in NFL. They really should flag more often in NFL too.

There aren't any penalties awarded in soccer for criticizing a referee.

 

[XPack]

There aren't any penalties awarded in soccer for criticizing a referee.

You get a yellow card for protest. Persist and you'll be ejected

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Do you think professional athletes should be allowed to get in the face of coaches or refs during a game?

I realize how heated a game can be and flags are thrown for this type of behaver, but isn't that bordering
disrespect for the jobs the refs are doing?

Sometimes I feel in younger athletes today, this is excepted as part of the game.

Your Thoughts

Yes. It's not just "those young whippersnappers", players have always done this. Fans expect these guys to "GIVE EVERYTHING" for the game and then, somehow, not care when a ref or coach does something they feel is slanting the playing field. I guarantee the players put far more effort into the game than the refs and most coaches. Now, that's not to say that WRs are correct for yelling at OCs for not throwing them the ball enough.

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

Probably went out the door when refs and the league started changing up the rules and adding judgement calls to the rule book. Also blatant favoritism for the stars and other cash cows. It became business decisions over loyalty.

This is why Roger Goodell is a massive failure and the worst sports commissioner in the history of American professional sports. His crimes are way worse than anything the Chicago mob boss could have ever cooked up in the 1919 World Series.

 

[Poppa San]

This is why Roger Goodell is a massive failure and the worst sports commissioner in the history of American professional sports. His crimes are way worse than anything the Chicago mob boss could have ever cooked up in the 1919 World Series.

It actually predates Roger and his cabal.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

I guarantee the players put far more effort into the game than the refs and most coaches.

I guarantee that coaches put way more effort into the game than most players.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I guarantee that coaches put way more effort into the game than most players.

Maybe some coaches, fewer than you would think. How many terrible, conservative coaches are there in the league? Way more than there are good coaches.

 

[thequick12]

Fine line between protesting and disrespecting.



There has been instances of players getting ejected for blatant disrespect (grabbing the flag, bumping/pushing the ref etc). But yes, this can be tightened up a bit.

If you touch the ref that is not cool. But anything you say should be fine, words are just words they can hurt people's feelings but can't hurt them physically. I guess unless you are threating the refs life that's not ok either. But you say disrespect is a fine line well could it not be argued that a ref making a be call is disrespecting the player? Also if words are deemed against the rules then that should go both ways I've heard refs swear at players and coaches. So if the player/coach is penalized for it the refs should be too. What comes to mind especially is baseball umpires they say all kinds of stuff and then throw a guy out for talking just like that