Devin Funchess has opted out of the 2020 season

[Pokerbrat2000]

Ugh...you threw the non sarcastic part in.....LOL

Well at least now I can at go back and give that post a "funny" rating. Cause for a second there I was like "WTF, I did?"

I was going to say, I mean I did smoke pot in College, of course I never inhaled, but I never remember writing that unless it was total sarcasm. I will say it again, I have been waiting to be proven wrong for over 2 seasons now and I will still gladly welcome the plate of crow when it happens.

 

[tynimiller]

When I say they aren't standing pat, I am by no means meaning Gute is going to do a trade...he may make a lot of calls but no deals could be made. I expect Fuller isn't getting pried without a 2nd or a combo of a 3rd and 4th...that is RICH for a guy in his final year.

 

[Heyjoe4]

ESB and MVS "might" turn into decent, reliable receivers. The issue the Packers have is that they currently have one of the best QBs in the NFL and should be focused on trying to get that QB some reliable weapons. Instead, it has appeared the Packers are trying to rely on Rodgers to keep them afloat while they build for the future in the hopes that one day, maybe 5 years from now, they'll have QB almost as good as the one they have now.

Agreed. And to make that work, GB needs a number of impact or near-impact players on rookie contracts to make it work with the cap. Trading up to draft Jordan Love in Round 1 is not an example of that.

 

[Jerellh528]

It’s obvious that both LaFleur and Gute aren’t satisfied with the pass catching options either as they’ve made offers for both Ertz and Fuller. A legit WR2 would take this team to another level. As currently constructed, I think they’re in the second tier of contenders with Rodgers being our biggest weapon in the search for a super bowl victory. Replacing the MVS missed opportunities with a guy like Fuller or Gallup would do wonders for this team and help to keep our defense off the field.

 

[Heyjoe4]

So your only rationale, as well as your measuring stick of a successful move, seems to be based on whether that team wins a Super Bowl? Otherwise, all moves are just filling perceived but not actual needs that a team perceives it might have. You also extend this to your own life by saying that you don't really need things either and you are comfortable with what you have. So for you, it is fine to just set the bar lower and not improve the situation, since a football team/you are comfortable as is? I never said that signing AB, Dez or Sanders was a guarantee to win a SB, nor a guarantee to improve. However, they are moves done by teams with winning records, trying to improve their chances at winning a SB. I think if you ask the GM's making such moves, they aren't just moves to make moves as you want to imply.

You seem to be set on saying the Packers (or you) don't "Need X", you are right, because there is a difference between "Need" and "could use". Nobody "needs" anything except air, water and food to survive. A football team only needs 11 players at a time on the field to play football. So yes you are correct, we can all settle for less and at the end of the day survive. Now if you are talking about success and making it to the top, your "could use" probably should be viewed with higher priority, but that just all depends where you set your own personal bar I guess. However, I don't think you should continue to measure the success of a football team or the moves it makes by using the ultimate bar, winning a Super Bowl, if you don't recognize the difference between "could" and "should".

Agreed and maybe a slightly different reply,from Ty would straighten things out - "sometimes moves just turn out to be moves" - meaning that not every trade, FA, and draft acquisition will take a team to the SB. And it depends where the team is, rebuilding, mid-rebuilding, super bowl contender, and on. I recall the 96 Packers adding WR Andre Rison to help win a SB. That move worked out well but not all don't. Jimmy Graham is a good example of a bad example in that category.

 

[swhitset]

Show me where I clearly stated this in a non-sarcastic way.

I was wondering that myself

 

[tynimiller]

I was wondering that myself

He never said it in a non-sarcastic way as I eluded to above. I was just giving him crap LOL

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I was wondering that myself

For a second there I thought he was a mind reader.

If nothing else, it will attract some bees my way.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

He never said it in a non-sarcastic way as I eluded to above. I was just giving him crap LOL

Thanks for going back and erasing that one post when I went postal on Gute and said some bad things!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Jimmy Graham is a good example of a bad example in that category.

Well the move itself to sign JG wasn't really a bad move, the results were what made it bad. Packers just came off a season where Cook had finally reminded MM and the soon to be new GM Gute, just how valuable the TE could be. They decided not to resign Cook and many, myself included thought JG was an upgrade. I think everyone, including Gute wish they had resigned Cook.

The signing I hate more than JG was the previous year, Martellus Bennett. That guy was a total waste, but again, at the time I think we were all excited that TT had actually signed both Bennett and Cook.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Well the move itself to sign JG wasn't really a bad move, the results were what made it bad. Packers just came off a season where Cook had finally reminded MM and the soon to be new GM Gute, just how valuable the TE could be. They decided not to resign Cook and many, myself included thought JG was an upgrade. I think everyone, including Gute wish they had resigned Cook.

The signing I hate more than JG was the previous year, Martellus Bennett. That guy was a total waste, but again, at the time I think we were all excited that TT had actually signed both Bennett and Cook.

Yeah in the moment all moves look great (this year's draft excepted). I liked the JG pick and at least he came here with the intention of playing, far better than Bennett (I also liked this move) who was just looking for a few mil in guaranteed money. Just an example of good intentions gone bad. It happens.

It’s obvious that both LaFleur and Gute aren’t satisfied with the pass catching options either as they’ve made offers for both Ertz and Fuller. A legit WR2 would take this team to another level. As currently constructed, I think they’re in the second tier of contenders with Rodgers being our biggest weapon in the search for a super bowl victory. Replacing the MVS missed opportunities with a guy like Fuller or Gallup would do wonders for this team and help to keep our defense off the field.

What's going on with Ertz? Thanks!

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yeah in the moment all moves look great (this year's draft excepted). I liked the JG pick and at least he came here with the intention of playing, far better than Bennett (I also liked this move) who was just looking for a few mil in guaranteed money. Just an example of good intentions gone bad. It happens.

What's going on with Ertz? Thanks!

Sounds like Ertz was on the trading block, the Packers (and Ravens) made an offer following the Tampa Bay game, but the Eagles opted not to trade him and instead put him on short term IR, which makes him untradeable.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Biggest effect, people will continue to blame Rodgers for not being better at throwing to bad receivers (Adams excepted). The Packers passing game is going to be pretty predictable if MVS, EQB, or Sternberger don't make significant strides this year.

I might have more hope if MLF showed he was willing to be inventive and let Jones play receiver more often (he was amazing catching the ball when Adams was out) but last year robbed me of that hope.

I thought GB was using Jones in the pass game this year (and last).

 

[Mondio]

I thought GB was using Jones in the pass game this year (and last).

They were, and then in one game he was covered pretty much every time they sent him out and sunshine thinks he didn't have more catches because they didn't put him out into patterns. and now he's missed some time and looking to miss this week again. probably a big reason why he won't see the ball again this week

Besides, I think Williams is the more natural receiver anyway.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

It's not that WR's don't have any importance, it's that you don't rely on having 5 wr's on your roster capable of being #1, #2 level WR's...

Talk about a strawman. Ppl don't want 5 starting caliber WRs, most people would be happy with 2. Lazard would be a nice #3 in most offenses and the other guys would be nice gunners on special teams.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

They were, and then in one game he was covered pretty much every time they sent him out and sunshine thinks he didn't have more catches because they didn't put him out into patterns. and now he's missed some time and looking to miss this week again. probably a big reason why he won't see the ball again this week

Besides, I think Williams is the more natural receiver anyway.

That last sentence, whew! That's a doozy.

 

[Mondio]

That last sentence, whew! That's a doozy.

i assume you've seen him catch the ball. He's pretty natural at it, never looks difficult. Jones still double clutches a lot of them. He's made some really nice catches too, but he doesn't look nearly as natural at it. You can disagree. But then you're disappointed Jones isn't getting the ball more, as he's going to likely sit out injured. Again. Things that are fairly obvious may get by you LOL

 

[Sunshinepacker]

i assume you've seen him catch the ball. He's pretty natural at it, never looks difficult. Jones still double clutches a lot of them. He's made some really nice catches too, but he doesn't look nearly as natural at it. You can disagree. But then you're disappointed Jones isn't getting the ball more, as he's going to likely sit out injured. Again. Things that are fairly obvious may get by you LOL

You say obvious things get by me in the middle of arguing that Williams is a better receiver than Jones. He's not. Jones is one of the best 5 receiving backs in the NFL. Or, are your arguing that MLF intentionally minimizes his better receiving back when he throws passes to Jones?

 

[Dantés]

Williams isn't more effective in the passing game because he isn't as athletic as Jones by a long shot. And Jones is a skilled receiver in his own right. But I can see why someone would say that Williams is the more natural pass catcher. He is pretty smooth in that regard.

 

[Mondio]

You say obvious things get by me in the middle of arguing that Williams is a better receiver than Jones. He's not. Jones is one of the best 5 receiving backs in the NFL. Or, are your arguing that MLF intentionally minimizes his better receiving back when he throws passes to Jones?

I said he's a more natural pass catcher, it's been evident from the start. It's ok that the more explosive player isn't automatically superior in everything compared to another. Jones may be making some big plays, and much like he runs, they're all right on the edge of looking like losing control or going big. Williams makes them all look smooth and easy.

and you argue that MLF intentionally ignores Jones in the passing game. Every week, even in games he's not playing.

 

[Heyjoe4]

They were, and then in one game he was covered pretty much every time they sent him out and sunshine thinks he didn't have more catches because they didn't put him out into patterns. and now he's missed some time and looking to miss this week again. probably a big reason why he won't see the ball again this week

Besides, I think Williams is the more natural receiver anyway.

Interesting point Mondio. Working from memory, I think Williams is the better route runner, but it's really close. It's just nice to have two RBs who can run and catch well. Might as well enjoy it this year as Williams will likely be gone next year.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Might as well enjoy it this year as Williams will likely be gone next year.

I think you actually might see Williams here and Jones gone. Will all depend on their demands. I love Aaron Jones, but if he wants top 3 RB money, which I think he probably can get somewhere and Williams is fine with top 50, I think I let AJ walk and take the comp pick in 2022.

There always seems to be a team or two that will pay top Free agent money for a guy like Jones, I just don't see the Packers being able to or wanting to, especially with the cap situation next season.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I think you actually might see Williams here and Jones gone. Will all depend on their demands. I love Aaron Jones, but if he wants top 3 RB money, which I think he probably can get somewhere and Williams is fine with top 50, I think I let AJ walk and take the comp pick in 2022.

There always seems to be a team or two that will pay top Free agent money for a guy like Jones, I just don't see the Packers being able to or wanting to, especially with the cap situation next season.

Good point. Williams seems to have stepped his game up a bit this year, they have Dillon, and they won't have much cap space. Anyway, good idea.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Good point. Williams seems to have stepped his game up a bit this year, they have Dillon, and they won't have much cap space. Anyway, good idea.

I know that they won't stop playing Williams, just to try and keep his contract cost down, but if he continues to shine, he may also price himself out of Green Bay. Would be nice to see Dillion step up and play really well, that makes letting 1 or both of AJ and JW walk away in free agency a bit of an easier decision. I would like to have all 3 for the next 4 years, but that isn't happening financially.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I said he's a more natural pass catcher, it's been evident from the start. It's ok that the more explosive player isn't automatically superior in everything compared to another. Jones may be making some big plays, and much like he runs, they're all right on the edge of looking like losing control or going big. Williams makes them all look smooth and easy.

and you argue that MLF intentionally ignores Jones in the passing game. Every week, even in games he's not playing.

You seem to be the one focused on my past issues with Jones participation in the running game, and hey, I'll happily admit I might be wrong. Your contention that williams is more natural is great, maybe he is. But jones is by far the better receiving back and any contention otherwise ignores the play on the field. You might prefer the more "natural" receiver but I'll take the guy that runs a more diverse route tree, catches just as high a percentage of his passes, and does far more with those catches.