Devin Funchess has opted out of the 2020 season

[Sunshinepacker]

I think you actually might see Williams here and Jones gone. Will all depend on their demands. I love Aaron Jones, but if he wants top 3 RB money, which I think he probably can get somewhere and Williams is fine with top 50, I think I let AJ walk and take the comp pick in 2022.

There always seems to be a team or two that will pay top Free agent money for a guy like Jones, I just don't see the Packers being able to or wanting to, especially with the cap situation next season.

I hope not. Williams is a fun player but he's, maybe, an average running back. If they don't re-sign Jones I really hope they just draft a cheaper, late round back with more upside than Williams.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

You might prefer the more "natural" receiver but I'll take the guy that runs a more diverse route tree, catches just as high a percentage of his passes, and does far more with those catches.

Jones doesn't put up far better numbersas a receiver than Williams though. Both have actually quite similar numbers as a receiver.

Williams: 108 receptions for an average of 8.2 yards per catch with seven touchdowns.

Jones: 102-8.5-6

 

[Heyjoe4]

You seem to be the one focused on my past issues with Jones participation in the running game, and hey, I'll happily admit I might be wrong. Your contention that williams is more natural is great, maybe he is. But jones is by far the better receiving back and any contention otherwise ignores the play on the field. You might prefer the more "natural" receiver but I'll take the guy that runs a more diverse route tree, catches just as high a percentage of his passes, and does far more with those catches.

Good point. Without looking at any stats from this year or last, I think it's safe to say Jones has produced more receiving yards than Williams. I do agree that Williams is a very good route runner and pass catcher, but he's nowhere near the equal of Jones as a runner. Williams reminds me of James Starks, somewhat. Regardless, it's very unlikely GB will keep both of them next year, so it's time to make hay while the sun is shining. And maybe time to get Dillon more reps.

 

[Dantés]

Here are the full numbers in the receiving game.

Aaron Jones has 102 catches on 149 targets for a 69% catch rate, 863 yards, 8.5 YPR, 40 receiving 1st downs, and 6 receiving touchdowns.

Jamaal Williams has 108 catches on 139 targets for a 78% catch rate, 881 yards, 8.2 YPR, 46 receiving 1st downs, and 7 receiving touchdowns.

Both are pretty solid in pass pro. Jones is the more explosive athlete, which makes him the more dangerous option in both phases. But Williams has proven to be a very good receiving back, and there's nothing at all strange about saying he's the more natural receiver.

 

[GleefulGary]

Here are the full numbers in the receiving game.

Aaron Jones has 102 catches on 149 targets for a 69% catch rate, 863 yards, 8.5 YPR, 40 receiving 1st downs, and 6 receiving touchdowns.

Jamaal Williams has 108 catches on 139 targets for a 78% catch rate, 881 yards, 8.2 YPR, 46 receiving 1st downs, and 7 receiving touchdowns.

Both are pretty solid in pass pro. Jones is the more explosive athlete, which makes him the more dangerous option in both phases. But Williams has proven to be a very good receiving back, and there's nothing at all strange about saying he's the more natural receiver.

Got any ADOT on those two?

 

[Heyjoe4]

Here are the full numbers in the receiving game.

Aaron Jones has 102 catches on 149 targets for a 69% catch rate, 863 yards, 8.5 YPR, 40 receiving 1st downs, and 6 receiving touchdowns.

Jamaal Williams has 108 catches on 139 targets for a 78% catch rate, 881 yards, 8.2 YPR, 46 receiving 1st downs, and 7 receiving touchdowns.

Both are pretty solid in pass pro. Jones is the more explosive athlete, which makes him the more dangerous option in both phases. But Williams has proven to be a very good receiving back, and there's nothing at all strange about saying he's the more natural receiver.

Wow, thanks Dantes. I'm amazed at how close they are in receiving stats. Thanks for taking the time to find this. And yeah, Williams just looks more fluid in his routes IMO. Clearly, they're both very good in the pass game.

 

[Dantés]

Got any ADOT on those two?

I don't know how reliable this site is, but according to FTN Fantasy, Jones' ADOT this year is 2.71 and Williams' is .47. They also say that Williams only has 9 air yards on the season, but I know he's caught passes pretty far down the field.

But I don't think there's any doubt that Jones has done more work down the field. Williams is capable of some of it though.

 

[Dantés]

Wow, thanks Dantes. I'm amazed at how close they are in receiving stats. Thanks for taking the time to find this. And yeah, Williams just looks more fluid in his routes IMO. Clearly, they're both very good in the pass game.

Yes, they're both very good.

 

[Mondio]

what the fuzz is ADOT?

 

[Dantés]

what the fuzz is ADOT?

Aggregated Directional Option Transfer

Duh!

 

[Mondio]

Aggregated Directional Option Transfer

Duh!

I’m not a bright man

I thought it was one of those things you put at the end of a sentence like this.

 

[Dantés]

I’m not a bright man

I thought it was one of those things you put at the end of a sentence like this.

It actually just stands for average depth of target-- how far downfield is the player when they make the catch.

 

[Mondio]

That makes sense, even to me

thanks

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Yes, they're both very good.

Please understand, I was not saying williams isn't a good receiver, just that he's not top-5 among NFL running backs.

 

[Dantés]

Please understand, I was not saying williams isn't a good receiver, just that he's not top-5 among NFL running backs.

I'm not putting words in anyone's mouth. I just saw the discussion of Jones and Williams in the passing game and weighed in.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Got any ADOT on those two?

According to Pro Football Reference Jones has an ADOT of 4.1 yards compared to Williams of 0.5.

 

[GleefulGary]

According to Pro Football Reference Jones has an ADOT of 4.1 yards compared to Williams of 0.5.

Thank you!

 

[tynimiller]

Follow Funch on social media (not a real active guy) but yesterday apparently he was baptized.

I'll be quite curious to see what happens this next season, he is still a VERY cheap experienced veteran for a growing WR room to have. Personally I hope the keep him and add/draft perhaps a slot/jet sweep type guy to the mix - resign Lazard and keep growing.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Follow Funch on social media (not a real active guy) but yesterday apparently he was baptized.

I'll be quite curious to see what happens this next season, he is still a VERY cheap experienced veteran for a growing WR room to have. Personally I hope the keep him and add/draft perhaps a slot/jet sweep type guy to the mix - resign Lazard and keep growing.

I was thinking about this the other day and I really don't think they have answered or addressed any of their WR needs that weren't there at the beginning of the season. Sure, both MVS and Lazzard have each had some good outings, but those seem to be followed up by bad outings. EQ so far is a nothing burger. Funchess shouldn't even be penciled in as a starter IMO. If he is, that is admitting the rest of WR group is pretty thin.

Gute really needs to address this in the draft and/or even in Free Agency. Adams contract is up at the end of next season, there are no guarantees he is back after that. This BS has been going on 2+ seasons too long.

 

[tynimiller]

I was thinking about this the other day and I really don't think they have answered or addressed any of their WR needs that weren't there at the beginning of the season. Sure, both MVS and Lazzard have each had some good outings, but those seem to be followed up by bad outings. EQ so far is a nothing burger. Funchess shouldn't even be penciled in as a starter IMO. If he is, that is admitting the rest of WR group is pretty thin.

Gute really needs to address this in the draft and/or even in Free Agency. Adams contract is up at the end of next season, there are no guarantees he is back after that. This BS has been going on 2+ seasons too long.

It is hilarious how riled up that one room gets you.

Why can one not bring Funchess back, very cheap, very low risk (you know you're getting at minimum a #3 or close type guy....also look to add as I said a jetsweep/slot type guy in the draft.

Also we are not in as dire a position as we were in the 2020 draft for WR IMO - MVS and Lazard have both grown, EQ and Malik have grown - but most likely odds say only one makes it as the 4 or 5 long term.

I'm not saying he's handled it the way I would have, I've made that VERY clear. BUT this group has been a part of Rodgers "arguably" best season and statistically best in several key areas <- system, Rodgers don't care what you say is the reason...it is working.

 

[Dantés]

If it's me, I bring Adams, Lazard, MVS, Funchess, etc. back into camp, along with a draft pick or two, and let the thing shake out.

I doubt (but could be surprised) that they will pay for a free agent. It's more likely to me that they extend Adams.

A particular type of WR is a need this offseason, but the Packers also have an elite offense with the guys in house. I tried to say this in the offseason, but the design of this offense does not require an abundance of WR's. The teams that use the same foundational scheme as LaFleur (i.e. SF, TEN, MIN) are all among the league leaders in 2 WR sets.

There are bigger needs on this team than WR.

 

[tynimiller]

There are bigger needs on this team than WR.

Just wanted to quote and edit your post for the folks in the back....

 

[Dantés]

Just wanted to quote and edit your post for the folks in the back....

I completely understand the disappointment in not drafting one this last year, and I also completely agree with the need to bring one in, especially a YAC weapon who could add a missing facet to the offense (i.e. Austin/Ervin's role but beefed up to add more receiving work). But I also think that, at this point, some posters have complained so much, for so long, that they're pot committed to the position sucking and being the downfall of the offense that they're darn near rooting for it. Which is... fun?

 

[thequick12]

I know that they won't stop playing Williams, just to try and keep his contract cost down, but if he continues to shine, he may also price himself out of Green Bay. Would be nice to see Dillion step up and play really well, that makes letting 1 or both of AJ and JW walk away in free agency a bit of an easier decision. I would like to have all 3 for the next 4 years, but that isn't happening financially.

Williams is the epitome of role player...if dillion is as good as aaron jones keeping williams would work but I'd much rather have jones as rb1 and dillion rb2 because I highly doubt dillon is as good as jones

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

It is hilarious how riled up that one room gets you.

Why can one not bring Funchess back, very cheap, very low risk (you know you're getting at minimum a #3 or close type guy....also look to add as I said a jetsweep/slot type guy in the draft.

Also we are not in as dire a position as we were in the 2020 draft for WR IMO - MVS and Lazard have both grown, EQ and Malik have grown - but most likely odds say only one makes it as the 4 or 5 long term.

Right, because you never hear it talked about by the local or National media, before, during and after most games. I never said "don't bring Funchess back." I said they shouldn't not bring other guys in because they think Funchess will be a starter. The guy has played in 1 game in the last 2 seasons. I don't think he even worked out with Rodgers before he opted out. Just saying that EQ and Malik have grown is exactly the problem with the thought process here. How have they grown? Between them they have 11 catches. I think Lazard and MVS have made some progress, but until they both start having consistently good games, I wouldn't count too much on them either.

I get it, people see how productive Rodgers and the offense has been and immediately want to say "no problems with the WR's on this team". I would beg to differ and say "imagine the offense with a better group of WR's." Rodgers has also made full use of his RB's and TE's this year.

Anyway, Funchess, Lazard, MVS, EQ and maybe Taylor will all most likely be back in 2021 to compete for jobs, I just hope they have some stiffer competition than each other for the 2-5 spots.