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But talent is clearly the issue. The O line is good, not great. But as far as the skill players go, we have Adams and little else. Nobody else can get open consistently, there really is no speed or playmaking element.

The Packers added speed at wide receiver in his last year's draft but it will take them some time to be productive on a consistent basis.

uuummm...yes he was. defender was 5 yards off of him. change the play. if rams change throw it away. either way safety avoided.

While MVS was open at the time Rodgers handed off the ball to Jones a pass would have taken more time to develop and Hill would have definitely had a chance to close in on the receiver.
 

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at 7 or 8 yards, I would definitely give that pass a shot, no fake even, just hike and shoot it over there. At 5 yards things become a little closer. With only 1 guy in a route and a DB and someone else a bit deeper, that's not as easy of a pass as people think. If the DB's first step is forward to play that quick pass or jam, it could get real dicey really quickly. and he could, because someone was deeper and only 1 receiver to worry about. If Rodgers has to hold the ball for any reason, it could go south fast. Of course if it worked, it could have worked well. But so could the run play if it would have just been blocked correctly, or even just a tad better.
 

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To sum things up here...We are deficient in both, while still remaining extremely highly successful in the head coaching department.
 

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Must you remind people of their bad decisions?
Yes, but you never know on Gruden. He has 5 first rounders the next 2 years and they are making a strong push for #1 overall. But my point is, how many fans here would have stomached a dismantling and rebuild? It's up I in the air and they invested $10M a year for 10 years in him. I would hate to be a Raiders fan right about now. They were close to being a very good team, I thought.


But hell, some still want Cowher as HC and it took him 15 years to win a SB in Pittsburgh.
 

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Oh, I know. Gruden has a plan and it’s not a 1-2 year fix plan either. It’s a complete tear down and rebuild. He’s been givin the time and money to do it. I doubt the owners would have given him that contract if they didn’t believe in his plan, long term. But fans won’t see it that way.
 

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Tell you what though...

I obviously want the Packers to win the Super Bowl. But just hypothetically speaking: If it's viewed that the team underachieved and fires McCarthy, and if the Patriots have any type of lingering issues...

Not saying it's going to happen, but that would be something.
 

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The SBs won would override any lingering issues....
Like I said...long shot.

But if Belichick saw an opportunity to come to Green Bay to coach Rodgers for 5 years...

Maybe he wouldn't be the GM, but maybe at his age he doesn't care that much to be the GM anymore. It would be almost like the equivalent of Phil Jackson coaching MJ and Kobe.

Not going to happen. But it would be insane.
 

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Rodgers might have done something "awful" like in the Buffalo game you cited, right?

Your arguments sound like scapegoating and hindsight. If they pass instead of run and lose, they should have run. If they kick and lose, why not use the best player on the field? If they went for it and didn't get it, I expect you'd complain about that. Atomizing games down to a single play or even the game plan loses the forest for the trees.

The Packers did not lose to Seattle because they didn't have home field advantage because they lost to the Bills. And they didn't lose to Seattle because of any one play. They lost because the defense lacked a culture of closing. It was a collective effort.
Every game for every team is a collective effort win or lose. We were closer in a couple of years that the difference at the end came down to one play or one decision at the end. Just like we were very close to not making the playoffs the year we won the Super Bowl. The margin for maybe 4-6 teams every year in winning the super bowl is razor thin. The league is that competitive.
 

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No matter what decision McCarthy makes, if it doesn't work out you will find a way to criticize it by saying he should have done the opposite. Enough wasting my time on this one.
I am totally not that guy. I’m a long ways from being a McCarthy hater. I think he’s a better play caller than most give him credit for. I think Rodgers is a bigger part of the unsuccessful plays and play sequence than McCarthy is, but that is just my opinion.
 
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Every game for every team is a collective effort win or lose. We were closer in a couple of years that the difference at the end came down to one play oThe r one decision at the end. Just like we were very close to not making the playoffs the year we won the Super Bowl. The margin for maybe 4-6 teams every year in winning the super bowl is razor thin. The league is that competitive.
Well, it is a game of individual talent, effort and execution. What you're trying to get to is a whole greater than the sum of the parts.

My point is in a typical game where you have some 150 snaps, give or take, on offense, defense and ST as does the opponent of course, to isolate on one mistake on the one hand or a dazzling play on the other, as the single deciding factor is an atomistic, forest-lost-for-the-trees, take on things. If I may borrow a highfalutin term from my German philosphy study days, there's a gestalt to it all.

Some folks like a clear answer on why a game went right or wrong, when that is rarely the case. Even the Montgomery fumble...if doesn't happen do you lose anyway? Perhaps. And if it didn't happen and the Packers didn't win, then which play or players would be the focus as the cause for losing? Montogomery or not, we could as easily say Hekker vs. Scott was the deciding element, but that would not be the whole story either.

The fact of the matter is the Packers lost (or tied) some games they could have won and won some games they could have lost. So far, this team has been sufficiently and consistently mistake prone to say they've been a 0.500 ballclub. Where they go from here is why we watch the games. At least we can say the first 58 minutes of the Rams game was the cleanest effort so far, and that showed up on the scoreboard.
 
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The forum police as you call us don't but here's a question for you. Why do members repeatedly make multiple threads on the same subject despite being asked not to ? If you don't like his reply which I agree was flippant, we do have an ignore feature.
 

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Take a look at what McVay did against the Packers just this past Sunday. After Scott's shanked punt the Rams ran the ball on nine of their next 10 plays. The only difference to McCarthy doing exactly the same thing against the Seahawks in the 2014 NFCCG is that LA ended up winning the game.

Yet you consider McVay a genius and MM a moron with both using the same method to take time off the clock.

Mainly because I don't use one game samples as my measuring stick. MM has consistently underperformed over the last four years. I also think the contrast is stark when you look okay how Payton and Reid have evolved their offenses over the years while the Packers have been really slow to adapt.
 
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Mainly because I don't use one game samples as my measuring stick. MM has consistently underperformed over the last four years. I also think the contrast is stark when you look okay how Payton and Reid have evolved their offenses over the years while the Packers have been really slow to adapt.

I agree that McCarthy blew the game at Buffalo in 2014 throwing the ball way too much while the Bills had trouble defending the run. It's ridiculous to suggest that running the ball late against Seattle was a mistake using hindsight because it didn't work though.

Payton is most likely the only head coach aside of Belichick I would prefer coordinating the Packers offense over McCarthy. You continuously ignore that the Saints didn't have a winning record for a total of six seasons even with Brees playing in every single game during Payton's tenure as their head coach. McCarthy has only two such seasons with one coming in Rodgers first year as a starter.

Reid on the other hand is currently blessed with a highly talented roster on offense. But as long as he doesn't show the ability to win in the playoffs there's no reason to consider him a superior coach compared to MM.
 

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Without a top 3(even up to 5) quarterback I feel

This is why many teams consistently finish around 7-9, 8-8, 9-7

But they don't have someone like AR, TB, Brees, etc

MM is like a 3 win coach without AR

Look at the Pats when Brady got hurt with Cassell
The Colts when Manning got hurt
The Eagles with Wentz
The Chiefs with Alex Smith (although Reid has proven he's done this with other teams too)
 

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Never lnow, Belicheck might win 10 games with Hundley or Kizer
 

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Never lnow, Belicheck might win 10 games with Hundley or Kizer

Yea because Matt Cassle wasn’t very good at all on e he left NE. I do believe BB And McDaniels would’ve gotten more out of Hundley than what McCarthy did.
 
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